It's too bad maturity doesn't come with experience.

[GC]

uh since I was the one who made this mess, I think I'll start by saying I would use my orb, but to do it on a BCNM we knew we weren't gonna win from since we had tried 4 different times was just stupid. I figured we could've tried to at least use ours on a BCNM that we might actually had a chance of winning. And that's exactly what we did. This whole argument was just stupid, we came here to make money, and in the end we all got some. if you'd rather force me to waste an orb fighting a BCNM that we knew we weren't gonna win from, instead of me using it on one that we might have a shot from, then go ahead bitch at me. I figured it was the right thing to do to at least go home with something in their pockets...

 

[imbris]

Imbris had a point.

If you agree to all use orbs, then you all use em. Otherwise it's unfair on those that go first.

Sometimes it takes time to get the hang of a bcnm.

I been in a few pt's with Imbris and he is a very good whm and I'd recommend in any exp pt.

Considering that the guy who went first was the one to suggest them stopping and saving exp, it's fair to quit before you go 0/6.

Regardless if he's good, if he's going to bitch at people, I wouldn't really want to party with them.

If you can't hang in big boy bcnms stay in your mog house. anyone who would leave without using their orb in that situation is a scammer. why would the shout which got us all in the party say to have your own orb? so that only us poor saps who went first would lose ours? Its real easy to decide to "just go home" when you are still holding your orb. thats the defintion of selfishness. We all know how long it takes to get 60 seals. thats why the reward is so high, because the stakes are high too.
please if you are scared of losing experience points, or seals... STAY HOME!!

I have no idea who you are, and I doubt you know who I am, so why don't you leave the personal comments alone. I've done a bunch of BCNM's and some KSNM's, so I think I've "hanged in the big boy bcnm's."

I have been in that exact situation before, 4 loses no wins, and people are talking about leaving. I had used my orb and I was willing to call it quits, it was getting to be a waste of time and exp for not enough reward. It's not a scam when they didn't get anything out of it. It's not selfish, since the only thing you're getting out of it is to not lose anything. the only way they would be selfish or it would be a scam would be if they left before using their orb and you had already won something.

The shout about you having your own orb is to make sure no one gets a free ride.

The people who wanted to leave obviously felt it was a waste of their time. It's their decision and should be respected, especially since you hadn't won anything yet. If I'm in a horrible exp party, I don't "stick it out" to see if it will get better, I leave. There's nothing different here.

so u agree with me then, NO ONE GETS A FREE RIDE.

 

[imbris]

I'm not sure why no one thinks you don't lose exp with Raise 3. It's about 250 per death, so that's 1500 if you went 0/6. And I said a waste of time, not exp.

And how much time does it take to make 1500 exp?
15 mins or so?
Nothing compared to the overall time doing bcnm's and not enough for it to really be a significant issue.

at the first 4 battles we got raised 2<--- idk why and when i did say about we should stop she said she would use raise 3, by that time we had lost a lot of exp.

Wait, she had raise 3, and used raise 2? How is that a good whm?

As if i wouldnt offer a raise3. LOL. what should i force it on them? when u say u will raise 3 and the party "doesnt want to wait for it" should i cast it anyway? probably end up on the stupid flame board for that too. Anyway all orbs were used in the end, and we all made money, so each orb was used, and none were a waste. if u use an orb and lose does the experience and practice not count for anything? Also i'd like to add to chaos, who must have a bad memory, there was a 2nd whm in the bc casting raise2 also on our party aside from me. why accept the lesser raise if you are so worried about it?

 

[Bajaratt]

No, I didn't agree with you. The no one gets a free ride was that no one would be getting gil for not putting up any seals. Your situation was people not wanting to waste seals on a seemingly hopeless attempt at money. It's not a free ride if you don't get anything, and at the point people wanted to quit, no one had anything except less exp. Again, quitting when you're obviously losing to cut your loses is fine. If I was in your situation, and I have been in it before, I wouldn't be trying to flame people for wanting to cut their loses.

On your not using Raise 3, I think that was just dumb. If people die, I don't ask what kind of raise they'd like; I toss out Raise 3, because they'd all say that anyways. The only time I don't give Raise 3's everytime is after a wipe in dynamis, when every second counts, and even then I alternate Raises. The rest of the time, it's all Raise 3, and I have yet to hear a complaint about waiting a minute to cast it.

You're acting like it's such a long time to wait, 1:50 after each cast while weakened and unhasted, 0:55 while unweakened and unhasted. You'll need around that much time just to get mp again anyways, so the time isn't an issue. They might not have seen that it was Raise 2 that they were accepting, and you could have asked the other WHM to stop using Raise 2 since Raise 3 was available.

 

[imbris]

No, I didn't agree with you. The no one gets a free ride was that no one would be getting gil for not putting up any seals. Your situation was people not wanting to waste seals on a seemingly hopeless attempt at money. It's not a free ride if you don't get anything, and at the point people wanted to quit, no one had anything except less exp. Again, quitting when you're obviously losing to cut your loses is fine. If I was in your situation, and I have been in it before, I wouldn't be trying to flame people for wanting to cut their loses.

On your not using Raise 3, I think that was just dumb. If people die, I don't ask what kind of raise they'd like; I toss out Raise 3, because they'd all say that anyways. The only time I don't give Raise 3's everytime is after a wipe in dynamis, when every second counts, and even then I alternate Raises. The rest of the time, it's all Raise 3, and I have yet to hear a complaint about waiting a minute to cast it.

You're acting like it's such a long time to wait, 1:50 after each cast while weakened and unhasted, 0:55 while unweakened and unhasted. You'll need around that much time just to get mp again anyways, so the time isn't an issue. They might not have seen that it was Raise 2 that they were accepting, and you could have asked the other WHM to stop using Raise 2 since Raise 3 was available.

did u read what i said? i didnt say it was long, the party said that, and i;m sorry if players are too bad to tell between raise 2 and 3. reading is required for this game. The other whm was called there, by a party member to help with raises. you were not there, and obviously like to speculate. what i think is "just dumb" is you trying to prove points about a situation you werent in, and even paddington, AND the person i was angry with have stopped bickering about it.

 

[imbris]

uh since I was the one who made this mess, I think I'll start by saying I would use my orb, but to do it on a BCNM we knew we weren't gonna win from since we had tried 4 different times was just stupid. I figured we could've tried to at least use ours on a BCNM that we might actually had a chance of winning. And that's exactly what we did. This whole argument was just stupid, we came here to make money, and in the end we all got some. if you'd rather force me to waste an orb fighting a BCNM that we knew we weren't gonna win from, instead of me using it on one that we might have a shot from, then go ahead bitch at me. I figured it was the right thing to do to at least go home with something in their pockets...

I had nothing against using the orbs for another circle we could win, i just wanted them used as would be fair. Thank u for using it, and i am glad we made some money.

 

[Bajaratt]

No, I didn't agree with you. The no one gets a free ride was that no one would be getting gil for not putting up any seals. Your situation was people not wanting to waste seals on a seemingly hopeless attempt at money. It's not a free ride if you don't get anything, and at the point people wanted to quit, no one had anything except less exp. Again, quitting when you're obviously losing to cut your loses is fine. If I was in your situation, and I have been in it before, I wouldn't be trying to flame people for wanting to cut their loses.

On your not using Raise 3, I think that was just dumb. If people die, I don't ask what kind of raise they'd like; I toss out Raise 3, because they'd all say that anyways. The only time I don't give Raise 3's everytime is after a wipe in dynamis, when every second counts, and even then I alternate Raises. The rest of the time, it's all Raise 3, and I have yet to hear a complaint about waiting a minute to cast it.

You're acting like it's such a long time to wait, 1:50 after each cast while weakened and unhasted, 0:55 while unweakened and unhasted. You'll need around that much time just to get mp again anyways, so the time isn't an issue. They might not have seen that it was Raise 2 that they were accepting, and you could have asked the other WHM to stop using Raise 2 since Raise 3 was available.

did u read what i said? i didnt say it was long, the party said that, and i;m sorry if players are too bad to tell between raise 2 and 3. reading is required for this game. The other whm was called there, by a party member to help with raises. you were not there, and obviously like to speculate. what i think is "just dumb" is you trying to prove points about a situation you werent in, and even paddington, AND the person i was angry with have stopped bickering about it.

If you had stopped bickering about it, then why did you bother replying to stuff I said a week ago? I and most other people had probably forgotten about this thread until you brought it back up.

 

[imbris]

No, I didn't agree with you. The no one gets a free ride was that no one would be getting gil for not putting up any seals. Your situation was people not wanting to waste seals on a seemingly hopeless attempt at money. It's not a free ride if you don't get anything, and at the point people wanted to quit, no one had anything except less exp. Again, quitting when you're obviously losing to cut your loses is fine. If I was in your situation, and I have been in it before, I wouldn't be trying to flame people for wanting to cut their loses.

On your not using Raise 3, I think that was just dumb. If people die, I don't ask what kind of raise they'd like; I toss out Raise 3, because they'd all say that anyways. The only time I don't give Raise 3's everytime is after a wipe in dynamis, when every second counts, and even then I alternate Raises. The rest of the time, it's all Raise 3, and I have yet to hear a complaint about waiting a minute to cast it.

You're acting like it's such a long time to wait, 1:50 after each cast while weakened and unhasted, 0:55 while unweakened and unhasted. You'll need around that much time just to get mp again anyways, so the time isn't an issue. They might not have seen that it was Raise 2 that they were accepting, and you could have asked the other WHM to stop using Raise 2 since Raise 3 was available.

did u read what i said? i didnt say it was long, the party said that, and i;m sorry if players are too bad to tell between raise 2 and 3. reading is required for this game. The other whm was called there, by a party member to help with raises. you were not there, and obviously like to speculate. what i think is "just dumb" is you trying to prove points about a situation you werent in, and even paddington, AND the person i was angry with have stopped bickering about it.

If you had stopped bickering about it, then why did you bother replying to stuff I said a week ago? I and most other people had probably forgotten about this thread until you brought it back up.

because you are still talkin and im not going to let you attack me without response. sorry if im behind, but i tend to PLAY FFXI, not check this board every 10 seconds.

 

[Rinoah]

You mean you want the last word?[/quote]

 

[Zeoaesir]

You mean you want the last word?

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Don't we all?^^

Bottom line is that none of this is worthy of a thread this long.

 

[Padington]

I was going to continue the flame on Imbris but why bother. All the he said, she said business is pointless. I was mad when I started this because of the way Imbris acted but I'll put it down to frustration and call it water under the bridge.