I've heard of some GM bullsh-!t, but wow.

you will die first server side before its acknowledged on the client side.
 
That's a half truth, if you have 0 HP server side, you will stop attacking and fall dead. If you hit R0, you'll still be standing on your screen, and can move, but will not swing your weapon. Any movements before your computer recognizes you as dead will kick in, but you won't do any attacks, and if you full dc you will come back dead where the server saw you die.
 
the client is a remote connection. basically, a mirror image of the server side. if you hit r0, you stand but dont attack because the client hasnt recieved any information from the server as to your status
 
Stouter said:
I was pulling once in garliage at the zone, and hit a R0 as I pulled my bow to pull a bat. I ran back to camp with R0, on my screen the bat didn't follow. My connection picked up 20 seconds later or so at camp, and I promptly died there. The bat killed me where I shot it from to everyone else.

The problem with not aknowledging your status is that you will time out, so using it as an invincible tool would only work for a short time, then you would get forced off, only to log back on dead. I have seen people drop to 0 HP and get hit with a HP stone in dynamis immediately after keeping them alive, so a little lag could be used to save you from something like that.
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The dynamis thing happened to me once in a merit party, I got cured in the same second I dropped to 0 HP and lived.

Ironically, I lost as much XP as I would if I HP'd lol
 
This is bullshit. They can clearly see shit is not acting normal and they do nothing and make excuses for them. But when a friend of mine who plays on a very poor dial up connection at Ru'Avitu keeps lagging around cuz she has a red Connection dot next to her name, someone calls a GM on her. They are quick to give her a 72 hour suspension..hmm..this shit is not right.

Zion said:
GM=RMT The truth.:ph34r:
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GM= Gil Merchants
 
decidence said:
BTW, at about 12:30pm PST earlier today there was a RMT at Sozu that warp hacked onto the top of the boxes in Sozu's room. I called a GM and was tended to within 2 minutes. The GM said he would investigate, and about a minute later the RMT dissapeared and the GM appeared to me only for a few seconds then dissapeared right in the same spot the RMT had warp hacked too.

So GM's do actually do stuff.
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Just as a point of curiosity, what was that GM's name? It would be nice to know in case it's possible to request a specific GM, or even write a short note of praise to SE about GMs that actually earn their paycheck.
 
wwehe in castle oztroja how many gm calls have to be made before they do something. only took them more than 6 months to get the other rmt that was there.
 
It's a conspiracy! RMT in league with SE! They're only trying to scare us into avoiding RMT ourselves so they keep all the business, pay off SE their share. I wouldn't be surprised if SE, after "banning" one of them, later reinstates the character with another name.

/shrug maybe...
 
not the first time ive heard that;)
 
Hmm... how about this conspiracy...

SE just wants to boost the confidence of the RMT by letting the RMTthink they got away with something. It wouldn't make any sense doing it like this unless SE wanted the gilsellers to tell there friends to use hacks the server can detect. Therefore - it goes from entirely subjective, to totally objective.

SE tells the server to delete anything that has invalid records for player. Therefore, any lawsuit that may arise from bad actions taken by SE's part can be blamed on what the server recorded from that player. Only the action of the player can affect the information - therefore, any reason the records may be 'odd' can be blamed entirely on the player... Plus - by letting the RMT think they can get away with something... many more of them use the hacks.
 
Arctyrael said:
Hmm... how about this conspiracy...

SE just wants to boost the confidence of the RMT by letting the RMTthink they got away with something. It wouldn't make any sense doing it like this unless SE wanted the gilsellers to tell there friends to use hacks the server can detect. Therefore - it goes from entirely subjective, to totally objective.

SE tells the server to delete anything that has invalid records for player. Therefore, any lawsuit that may arise from bad actions taken by SE's part can be blamed on what the server recorded from that player. Only the action of the player can affect the information - therefore, any reason the records may be 'odd' can be blamed entirely on the player... Plus - by letting the RMT think they can get away with something... many more of them use the hacks.
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Or maybe because SE does not want to get in a Law suit with a company. A normal player whould not waste time and money to take the matter to court but I beat big company like IGE whould.
 
Wait.

Why would you be taken to court? If you play the game, you've entered a legal contract known as the EULA. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, if you're playing, you're bound to it. In this Contract, it clearly states that they reserve the right to terminate accounts as they see fit.
 
Skaw said:
Wait.

Why would you be taken to court? If you play the game, you've entered a legal contract known as the EULA. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, if you're playing, you're bound to it. In this Contract, it clearly states that they reserve the right to terminate accounts as they see fit.
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there always escape clauses. A person can be sue and win for breaking there are while trying rob a house, you dont think IGE can find ways sue SE for wrongly deleteing a toon.
 
hellstorm said:
there always escape clauses. A person can be sue and win for breaking there are while trying rob a house, you dont think IGE can find ways sue SE for wrongly deleteing a toon.
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To be honest, I don't think it would work. The game is property of SE. That's it. The only case to bring up would probably be psychological trauma of having the character deleted and having to face the real world.
 
They're chinese.... They (technically) have no rights in America.
Although technically if SE wanted to they could turn all mithra armour into Stripper gear and make them poledance on the streets of al zabhi if we agree to it in the TOS by logging on.
 
Khajit said:
They're chinese.... They (technically) have no rights in America.
Although technically if SE wanted to they could turn all mithra armour into Stripper gear and make them poledance on the streets of al zabhi if we agree to it in the TOS by logging on.
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But then that means Canadians don't have to agree to the TOS, then (anyone who's not American or Japanese, I guess, more specifically).
 
SE has HQs in major points all over the world: Europe, Japan, North America. Their dominion includes most civilized nations (Not where the HQs are established, but what rights their company has over certain nations and which nations agree to it). If they want to ban someone in china, they have ALL the right to. Anyone playing the game can sue SE, but they wont be successful if they agree that they read the EULA.
 
IGE wouldn't sue SE as IGE officially has 'no' employees working for them. Everyone they get their gil from is a sub-contracted agent...

Think about it - who would be more liable to lawsuit? SE or IGE. Me thinks IGE, so on the official - I would ensure there was a legal barrier between myself, and suppliers of my product.
 
Arctyrael said:
IGE wouldn't sue SE as IGE officially has 'no' employees working for them. Everyone they get their gil from is a sub-contracted agent...

Think about it - who would be more liable to lawsuit? SE or IGE. Me thinks IGE, so on the official - I would ensure there was a legal barrier between myself, and suppliers of my product.
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Actually IGE chould under this. following text is posted from kill ifrit thread

The problem with RMT in general has to do with what is called copyright law. The same applies to bot programs used extensively and secretly in this game. I've reported both RMT players and botters to both GMs and the PlayOnline email on their support page many times. I have also reported websites like www.ffxiapp.com and four other websites to PlayOnline asking them [SquareEnix] to do something about it. In the two plus years I have done this, nothing has been done to stop them or significantly lower the amount of cheaters and RMT players in this game. It's as if SquareEnix has done very little about it. The thousands of players they've banned, the adjustments to the delivery box, the taxes to Auction House and Bazaars, and the adjustments to drop rates and pop times of NMs and HNMs have done so very little to discourage or eliminate RMT and botters alike. Although SE listens, or supposedly does, to our complaints, it just seems that we are not getting through to them in the nearly four years this game has been out.

Of all the emails and GM calls I've done, I have recieved only one email regarding RMT players through PlayOnline email. It's where I learned about the situation with copyright law is causing the headaches with their legal department in SE. They told me that "their legal department is handling it."

I'll explain.

The code to this software and the PlayOnline software and service plus other softwares using this service-- are protected under US and foreign copyright and trademark laws and international treaties as stated in the FFXI Software License Agreement, Article 2, Section 2 of the manual. It is also the ownership of SEUI-- Square Enix USA, Inc. However, in Japan, as stated on Wikipedia.com, it states that "Japanese copyright law protects all works 'in which thoughts or sentiments are expressed in a creative way, and which falls within the literary, scientific, artistic or musical domain'. Software is not covered and is considered an exception. In other words, "software can be reproduced for personal use." The game, FFXI, and the software PlayOnline and its services originated from Japan, but are under no protection by the Japanese government. They are, however, protected under foreign laws from the United States to Europe and to China, itself.

However, outside of Japan, that is where this question arise:
Who owns the armors, weapons, items, Gil, and characters? The player or the company, Square Enix?

The manual is not entirely clear. It only states that sole ownership is that of SEUI, Square Enix USA, Inc. It has no mention of the parent company, Square Enix in Japan. We are given limited rights to use these items, Gil, armors, weapons, and characters-- to a certain extent. We are not allowed to sell or modify them. The whole catch to this is this: copyright law does not cover virtual items that can be so easily transferred, bought and sold from one player to another.

Copyright laws protect the software and the service that runs with the software. The virtual items within are not mentioned under any copyright law if you look and read them-- US, Europe, and even China. With no clear ownership of virtual items in an MMORPG, it is therefore assumed we, as players, have the right to ownership to those virtually created items.

This applies to botters and cheaters in this game. The ones who make the program for a bot that allow cheaters do what they want in this game are making programs that make no modification to the original code. The original software code is the ownership of Square Enix. But, since FFXI is not an open source software and there are no modifications to the original code itself by these bot programs, websites like www.ffxiapp.com continue to operate-- at the detriment of other players.

With all this, that means one thing: SquareEnix has no legal right or any possible way to take legal action against RMT players and programmers of and players using bot programs. This is why the one who replied to me told me that "their legal department is handling it."

It therefore comes to the responsibility of the company, Square Enix, to handle this situation themselves. With no legal way to stop RMT and bot programmers, SE has to do everything they can to prevent or even significantly lessen the use of RMT and botting in this game. However, the last actions done by SE in past updates have done more harm to honest players than to the dishonest ones. The most that SE can do is to enforce their end of the license agreement-- which they have so weakly done.

SE should make more items Rare/Ex or Ex-Only.
SE should make more NMs and even HNMs either forced pop, instanced, or BC-ed.
SE should take a much more active role in enforcing their end of the license agreement instead of acting with a laissez-faire attitude.
SE should improvise their GM system-- either improve it or replace it altogether with a better system.
SE should listen to the players' complaints more thoroughly and diligently in every email and GM call.
SE should think and act more intelligently and actively when a player such as RMT act in a very suspicious manner towards others.

SE has failed to do their part on their end by not following many of those things above.

However, SE shouldn't be the only ones held accountable as well. The players in this game also have the moral responsibility in this.
We, as players, should not give in to the temptations of buying and selling Gil and characters on sites like eBay and IGE.
We should not give in to the lure of using bot programs and other softwares that give us an advantage over other players, in a manner that causes a detrimental factor towards or against another player or group of players.

The players who dishonestly act and play in this game have failed the honest players in this game. They have caused us more grief and harm in the four years this game has been out. They have done nothing more than to indirectly promote the idea of Gil and character buying and selling. They have considered and lowered themselves to the point that taking the easy way out is better by the use of bot and cheat programs. They have done all this to honest players like myself and thousands of other players in this game.

With both failing factors, by Square Enix and the dishonest players, in this game, nothing will be done at all to stop RMT and cheaters alike. We can't do anything, or much of anything except complain to our heart's contents. If you want someone to blame and point a finger at, don't point at Square Enix alone, point it at the following players:
- the RMT players that managed to kill a big name HNM (like what happened to Tiamat on Carbuncle server)
- the players who buy Gil from eBay and IGE and use it to dishonestly and unsympathetically raise prices on the server (as what happened last Christmas)
- the players who have sold their characters online on eBay and sites like IGE (those who have quit the game)
- the RMT players monopolizing NMs and HNMs (like with DragonGroup LS on Bismarck at Behemoth and Ullikummi)
- the players who use bot programs to cheat and find the easy way out in this game (like with two LSes on Bismarck and many other HNMLSes on other servers)
- the players who hacked another person's account to sell their Gil and gear and character(s) for real life money

Blame them along with Square Enix, laugh and scream at them, because both have totally ruined this game with their irresponsibility and ignorance. Since copyright laws can't protect the virtual items and Square Enix can't do anything about it, there is very little that can be done now that can stop both RMT players and cheaters in this game. The last resort and option that hasn't been considered yet is going door-to-door to every RMT player and cheater in this game and kill them in cold-blood and commit first degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Of course, we're a much civilized society and wouldn't lower ourselves to do that, right?

I hope so.

The best thing we can do now is just complain to Square Enix and hope that they change their ways. At the same time, tell our friends and our fellow players not to give in to the temptation of acquiring a virtual item with real money, and vice versa. At the same time, don't lower yourself to use a bot program, even just to level Summoning Magic or a fish bot to get that Lu Shang's Rod or that warp-voke-bot program to get that Nue fang (as what happened on Bismarck server posted in the Bismarck forum). Don't take the easy way out. Don't join the linkshell that bots at every HNM camp so their LS members get every known endgame gear imaginable (as what happened with one LS on Bismarck). Don't encourage them. All we're doing is making it worse for other players.

If we can't do any of this, we have to either suck it up or quit the game.

Unfortunately, many of us have already done the latter.

- Ase
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One of the greatest forms of satisfaction for me in game is MPKing gilsellers. Its better than getting a drop sometimes. Just to to watch an afk RMT get tooled. Guivre video coming soon I hope.
 
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