Jonas = ()()=====D~~ STEAL & MPK ATTEMPT!!

[evo]

You know, on some servers when a NM comes unclaimed everyone in attendance or a representative from each LS in attendance does a /random and highest lot gets the next shot at it... wonder if we will ever have that level of selflessness in this server.

20k Dynamis Currency vs. 1k Dynamis Currency.

Do you even have to wonder?

20k is normal for most servers, 10k is low nowadays

 

[CubsWoo]

One job out of 15 can't compete due to a problem thats been around forever that Square, for some reason, refuses to fix.

And there's only one other job out of the 15 that could even consider soloing Pallas (SMN) and they wait until 75.

What I think is kind of being forgotten here is that when you do things, especially things involving high-value NMs, there is assumed risk. When I solo my SMN in Ulegurand and Ifrit's, I assume the risk of the bomb blowing up in my face. I assume the risk of Carby glitching and not auto-engaging the bomb, forcing me to plant hate on myself via Assault. I assume the risk of Carby getting killed super-fast by a lot of Berserked double attacks before the recast timer is up. When I craft for gil, I assume the risk that I could full-fail millions of gil worth of materials. When you're in an XP party, you assume the risk of players/half the server randomly going down mid-fight. If you're camping at a zone, you assume the risk of people training to it.

If you're a level 68 BST fighting a T-VT NM with possible links via DC-EM bats and Gigas and the KNOWN GLITCH (debating why it isn't fixed is moot - it's a glitch and BSTs that camp these kind of things know this) of losing claim when you mischarm is - again - an assumed risk. It's a risk that might have been alleviated by Deniro bringing a friend to camp with him, thus lessening his load with the bats and giving him opportunities to hold claim after a mischarm.

But he didn't. He... that's right, he assumed the risks. And this time it didn't pay off.

 

[Akisu]

Anyway, back on topic. Akisu you claim the NM went unclaimed in 10 seconds? You know, mobs don't do that for 30 seconds normally. It's to prevent someone from holding a NM and resting(through sleep/bind/whatever) and just holding the mob there for themselves, to match the 30 second wait for your first restoration of HP/MP to kick in.

It didn't go unclaimed naturally then.

He was running from NM... if you've ever been to room where Pallas spawns, he was fighting near side that goes up to top floor, he ran outa bats because Pallas killed them all on that side, so he made mad dash to find more, ran all the way acrossed room, tried to charm another, failed, ran to the hall there to go down the steps, tried to charm one of those, and got it. Then Pallas got a link lumbering after him. It was a decent period of time. It wasn't like Pallas flashed unclaimed either, I wouldn't take it then, because if that were true we would have taken it alot sooner when he swapped bats 3 times before that. It's not like he could have healed himself with /whm sub either, there were magic pots around... failed charm = death... thats why I'm assuming he ran to the hall with the steps going down, that or to get a new bat... just didn't count on the giant link I guess. Pallas is higher level then the giants there... and the normal ones check Decent Challange to me as 75 .... so 68, if your signature is correct, is going to have a really hard time with Pallas beating on you *lvl 72* as well as lvl65-68*or close to* whatever giants. I mean, Pallas was hitting our pld for a decent amount per hit... >.> Then his one WS does 150-200 to 75 pld? Bst 7 levels under gonna get hit really hard... not to mention a link...

That doesn't seem too matter that much. From the pic Deniro gave us Pallas was obviously at 20-25% or so and from what Akisu was saying she was dumping thousands of HP into Deniro to keep him alive. To me, at least, it seems obvious that Deniro losing claim (via time, death, whatever) was more a matter of when as opposed to an if.

What I see here is Deniro flaming them for taking him out of what appears to be a hopeless situation and letting him get out of there without losing a possible 2400XP from HPing after Pallas would have finished him off. It's not like they ganked Pallas while Deniro was going swimmingly kiting and killing him - he's in trouble, has uncharmable links on him and if not for the counter-campers would have lost Pallas through his HP being 0.

/Nod... I was out of mp, I don't have the best gear in the world on whm, only about 920mp tops at 75... and I used all but about 1 or 2 cure3's worth trying to keep Deniro alive with those links he got... Jonas had to use EES to kill off the giant link, and we all went red while I was resting mp back, trying to kill off the other two bats he left us with after he warped out w/ scroll.

All I'm saying, I really wasn't trying to steal your NM, I wasn't trying to MPK or whatever. You were dying, running, failed charm and losing about 80% of your HP every 10 seconds getting beat on by Pallas + links. If I was really after you NM, we would have provoked it off of you using that glitch where mob unclaims for few seconds between charms. =/ Had about 3-4 oppertunities for that.

The only time we took it, was when it was apparent you couldn't kill it. Would you rather have died trying to use your warp scroll, then us take it? If thats the case, I'm sorry for trying to keep you alive, and I would have happily R3'ed you afterwards.

Maybe you could have killed it, if you didn't get link, and didn't fail charm. We wouldn't have taken it then, but you did get link, and did fail a charm, then tried to charm a diffrent bat entirely, having the failed charm bat hit you too... If you really don't want cured, just turn on /Blockaid. SE put it there for a reason.

 

[Lavi]

wtf u bringing me into this lavi, first off i got nothing to do with this i wasnt there. now as for my aquarious steal/mpk thingy i claim it, started to kill, since u a idiot i will explain how u solo aqua as a rdm u gavity and nuke it. while i was doing this i was not dying or anything, i didnt have 5 links, i was solo when the fag yoshidor came and stun it right away when i lost claim while casting. now not only did they steal they keeped it claim for themself but i had aggro so i die, i didnt get 1 cure from those BOL ppl.

so what happen to me, and what happen to deniro aint the same.

so pls keep my name out ur mouth.

Can you people in OH read? Did I ever say Prophecy was stupid? No. Again you inferred Proph was stupid, not I. The only reason I mentioned him was because he had a similar thing happen to him. When that happened, he was told "That's too bad, you lost claim" and thats all. Now someone who was in the same LS at the time that did this to you is now complaining about losing claim and almost getting MPKed. You both lost claim, how is that different? I think its ironic that someone who probably agreed with his LS is now complaining about the same thing happening to him. I didn't bring you into this. You don't have to defend yourself. I am just stating the very obvious similarities.

 

[Akisu]

I would aslo like to add... next time your camping Pallas... take your pet macros for assault or sic, whatever, out of say. The other people wouldn't have even known it was up if not for that, when you lost charm on bat, and grabbed 2nd bat in hall, you used /say macro... lol... so anyone within /say range was probably running for it, and I doubt the JP/gilsellers, whatever they are, would have atleast let you have a chance when you appeared to be ok fighting it. As I said above, we didn't take it till it was apparent you were going to die. I prevented you from dying by cure spam, and you warped instead of taking dirt nap. If we wanted to take it, we would have atleast 3 times when you were charming new bats.

 

[Lavi]

Thats funny. I can do that too.

Applies truth serum to the quote...

[quote"_Neosquall_"]I have a small limp dick. [/quote]

See its pretty funny when someone modifies quotes once, but when you start doing it ALL the time cuz you can't come up with anything original, it really loses its luster. Or were you just trying to side track from the fact you planned on defending Deniro and now you can't because of the blatent hypocrisy I pointed out?[/quote]

 

[Noxxx]

If i'm going after a mob who's drop last sold for 12 mil, and i knew that going alone will caus claim to shift a few times durring the fight because of the way bst and the claim system works, I'd bring a friend. But thats just me.

 

[Miros]

Wanna know something nice?

EXPing in upper delkfutts @ 68 on the Jotun's.

Wanna know something nicer?

Having a nice NM pop with no CCers that you can play with without having to worry about anyone stealing it.

Wanna know what sucks?

When people go up there to camp, or to hunt too!

It's not an easy feet to kill Pallas at that level, at least it wasn't for me. That place is a good exp camp, and if I saw one of the NMs spawn and no one was around I'd take my time killing it. If not, I'd let the campers get it, whether they be gilsellers or not.

Does the glitch with BST suck?

Yes, of course. BST is one of the most ignored jobs by SE. Glad to see we got more pets finally, but most of our gear is ultimately worthless. There's certain things you have to live with regarding certain jobs.

It's not worth the stress and such to deal with high NMs such as this when people are camping it, cause you know they will attempt to steal.

Do you expect people to always be nice and happy to you when you get an NM? Sure, it would be really nice, but at least on this server I don't see it happening. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Deniro, it was a nice attempt, congrats at the other 6 times you've killed him. Akisu, it was nice of you do heal him, thank you for being a WHM who actually cares about players. Jonas, good job on killing Pallas!

Did Jonas do something bad? Nah. I know it sucks as a BST, but we go threw enough to know that we don't have it easy. It's one of the perks to being a beast. Also a downside, but it, to me, is a challenge of how I play the game.

I've lost aquarius to normal players beacuse of this. It's okay, it's how the game is played.

Honestly, sometimes I think people lose sight that this is indeed, a game. Sure we make great friendships with some people here, and we make enemies, but it should be played just like any console.

If I were fighting Sephiroth and Cid yelled at me cause I didn't let him fight in my PT, I'd be freaked out.

Instead of dwelling on this incident, figure out ways to improve it.

I hope this hasn't put me up as a target for people to come lurk over me while I'm camping or exping or anything as BST. But these are just my thoughts.

 

[Miros]

and omfg I'm sorry for the novel ; ; lol

 

[decidence]

You know, on some servers when a NM comes unclaimed everyone in attendance or a representative from each LS in attendance does a /random and highest lot gets the next shot at it... wonder if we will ever have that level of selflessness in this server.

20k Dynamis Currency vs. 1k Dynamis Currency.

Do you even have to wonder?

20k is normal for most servers, 10k is low nowadays

Um actually a lot of servers still have to sell these for less then 5k each simply because there are not enough buyers.

 

[Skaw]

Um actually a lot of servers still have to sell these for less then 5k each simply because there are far more dynamis shells.

Fixed that, buddy.

 

[decidence]

Goes hand in hand.

Less buyers because of more currency being available due to more NA dynamis shells and not enough rich people to buy all the supply.

 

[Uzor]

Goes hand in hand.

Less buyers because of more currency being available due to more NA dynamis shells and not enough rich people to buy all the supply.

On most servers NA are far more rich then they are on ours.

 

[Tyrath]

I dunno about the steal part, but this definiteely doesn't look like a MPK attempt. I mean when a mob is bound, you don't stand next to it. :roll:

 

[Tyrath]

Eeeeeh, you know I didnt even notice this was 7 pages...I just read the first and posted. Silly me, its offtopic already.

 

[vang]

Funny people are still using the word "Steal" in this thread.

Skaw busted game mechanics or not that's SE's fault not ours. Once again you bring up the play for fun and morals vs play for competition and riches and decide on your own your way is always right.

It's not.

Apparently you have never entered any video game tournaments or even played a competitve game online. People take this attitude from game to game. They end up being the more successful ones ingame while the rest whine and scream "Cheap".

No offense but that's what the true meaning of scrub is. I should know, that word was brought back into fame during all the Arcade glory of Street Fighter tourney days. Look on the board at who was using it when they first signed up over a year ago. Now everyone throws it around on here not truly knowing it's meaning.

A scrub is someone who will not adapt or chooses not to under their own reasoning they find "Cheap" or "Broken". Am I calling you a scrub? Nope. But you sure are acting on in this thread.

Let me refer all of you actually to this forum and also one of my gods from back in the day. When you enter the link you will see 3-5 parts on "Playing to Win". Read it and learn it. I am sure most of you will be shocked when you realize most of you are true scrubs. Not to sound too offensive but I just feel this word is abused now and I want you all to realize what it really means.

And btw removing dat files and botting is in now way shape or form comparable to taking a BST's unclaimed NM so please throw that out the window asap.

sirlin.net

Check out his articles on Playing to Win so you can further understand why everyone is not obligated to play for flowers, smiles, and fun.

 

[Jimm]

So the MPK "attempt" from yesterday was pretty much proven wrong I think, by the obvious "Akisu starts casting Cure IV on Deniro" in the screenshots. As for the "steal" I'm tending to agree with Vang on this.

I think a "steal" would include the gilseller tactics of Cure IV spam + Invincible to force NM off of somebody. NM going yellow during a fight, for whatever reason, is fair game. If you want to camp NMs its probably best to go with a group of friends as to avoid the mob going unclaimed altogether.

Anyway, on to today. While camping Alkyoneus in Upper Delkfutt, Deniro decides to come harass our group and make attempts to MPK. For those of you that do not know about Alky spawn, in the middle of the room are a bunch of Doll mobs. Most people know that Doll mobs tend to blow up. Deniro seems to know this as well. So anyway, we're all sitting in the middle when next thing I know I hear a Doll fighting a bat right next to us. Who's bat? Well Deniro is sitting on the other side of the room on the stairs and sending bats over in hopes that he can get the dolls to blow up on us. After the first bat he sends, he starts to talk down to a few of us in tells. Things like telling Miyatsumi (on Unphazed's character) that dolls blow up.

And this:

Well Alky pops and Jsoft and Aurelias get claim and they aren't even in our group, but Deniro doesn't seem to care and sends a bat over to try to explode a pot on them too.

Anyway, we didn't try to MPK yesterday and we never do MPK but Deniro seems to be in favor of it.

 

[Uzor]

Like I said, Deniro is an asshat that deserves all shit he gets =/

 

[wolfgar]

I am sorry uzor, you are right i should have let him die

--==<PRICELESS>==--


looks like we got a Mother Fucker WAR

 

[wolfgar]

I am sorry uzor, you are right i should have let him die

--==<PRICELESS>==--


looks like we got a Mother Fucker WAR