Karla Homolka (warning, not a nice story)

Answa~ said:
You never seem to have time for anything, Strid. :P

And that was just a suggestion. Your ideas about killing them and cutting them up are, oddly enough, sadistic. As I said, wronging them would be ironical for the government, and highly hypocritical. Lock them up, don't let them see the sun or anything living, make them know how wrong they acted, but don't mutilate. :roll:

And I mean hypocritical because, how can you accuse someone of manslaughter, and then cut them up? Oh, you killed someone, let me kill you!

But, I don't know, maybe these suggestions are inhuman, too. We need to figure out a way to make them actually pay for their actions. Deny them any rights. I mean, they didn't follow a set of rules, so they must not like the rules, so let's give him a change in living. This is a delicate matter, they did do wrong and should pay, and nothing soft and stupid.

~ Also, on the Homolka case, she shouldn't be allowed to be free, doesn't matter what deal they made. What she did was inhuman. ~
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Nonsense! I have plenty of time but why waste it here. :wink:

As for leaving them in jail never letting them see the sun...no thanks. The longer they set in the cell the longer I and other hard working people who earn our money pay for these sorry ass people to continue living and what use are they in prison ? They are useless. If they did something minor send them to a corrections facility, not prison. Get them in get them out and in they mess up again do them in. Hard crime that requires a life sentence....they'll NEVER get out so what use are they rotting away slowly in a cell day by day ? None...they are wasting my money and others to live their sorry ass life. Just because we behave and they hsouldn't don't mean we should have to pay their way...It's not hard to act right.
 
Answa~ said:
You never seem to have time for anything, Strid. :P

And that was just a suggestion. Your ideas about killing them and cutting them up are, oddly enough, sadistic. As I said, wronging them would be ironical for the government, and highly hypocritical. Lock them up, don't let them see the sun or anything living, make them know how wrong they acted, but don't mutilate. :roll:

And I mean hypocritical because, how can you accuse someone of manslaughter, and then cut them up? Oh, you killed someone, let me kill you!

But, I don't know, maybe these suggestions are inhuman, too. We need to figure out a way to make them actually pay for their actions. Deny them any rights. I mean, they didn't follow a set of rules, so they must not like the rules, so let's give him a change in living. This is a delicate matter, they did do wrong and should pay, and nothing soft and stupid.

~ Also, on the Homolka case, she shouldn't be allowed to be free, doesn't matter what deal they made. What she did was inhuman. ~
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Nonsense! I have plenty of time but why waste it here. :wink:

I'll admit maybe cutting the hands of thieves is a bit much but castration for rape is still ftw :twisted: sick faks. Also, it's now beginning to happen <3

As for leaving them in jail never letting them see the sun...no thanks. The longer they set in the cell the longer I and other hard working people who earn our money pay for these sorry ass people to continue living and what use are they in prison ? They are useless. If they did something minor send them to a corrections facility, not prison. Get them in get them out and in they mess up again do them in. Hard crime that requires a life sentence....they'll NEVER get out so what use are they rotting away slowly in a cell day by day ? None...they are wasting my money and others to live their sorry ass life. Just because we behave and they hsouldn't don't mean we should have to pay their way...It's not hard to act right.
 
Answa~ said:
Well, why not give them LA? Like in that movie, which I forgot the name of, and just forget about them, let them eat themselves. :twisted:
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!!!!!!!!EXACTLY!!!!!

Escape from L.A. the original version ftw! That would be great or open up Alkatraz (sp?) (ala Shark City which makes for a bad escape :wink: )
I like your point here and it would totally make more sense than my view of basically "eye for an eye" or yours of keeping them locked away in a prison in which the "good" people fund. :P
 
heh, I completely forgot that I posted on this thread... :O

Anyway.

I don't equate execution with murder. Much like euthanasia. So I find nothing morally reprehensible with killing people that take lives. It's a question of motive. Murder, I suppose, could be defined as killing for personal gain or emotional satisfaction. Execution, on the other hand, has no personal gain or emotional satisfaction behind it as intent. It's self-preservation. And Self-Defense is not Murder. ^^

It's a dangerous position to take, morally, but that doesn't particularly bother me. The "slippery slope" arguments never impressed me that much.
 
Answa~ said:
emotional satisfaction
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That's what the victims' families get. It's wrong.
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True, but that's NOT why you're executing someone.

Look at it this way: Why sentence someone to life in prison? Punishment? It seems irrational to punish someone by taking care of them for the rest of their life. And even so, life imprisonment seems... excessive to be simple punishment. So really, when someone is sentenced to life in prison, the goal is to simply keep them out of society as they are considered too dangerous to be allowed back in. Something I find rather amusing, considering that you're locking them into a large building filled with other dangerous people. I wonder what kind of repeat offender percentage there is among lifers?

The purpose of execution is two fold. First, deterrence. People can say that "Execution fails as a deterrent" all they want, and they could almost be right, after all. As the system is set up today, it DOES fail, mostly because it is so rarely applied. But the second purpose, as I said before, is self-preservation. Murderers escape from prison, sadly, or kill within prison. So it's a hell of a lot simpler and more rational to just execute them shortly after sentencing, and be done with it.
 
Tell that to the jury.

I'm more than sure that the thing most jurors think about when they're about to sentence someone to be executed, that they think that they somehow owe it to the victims' families.

Don't pay your taxes, then. Or don't pay a percentage in silent protest. I still think that killing people, no matter how evil the person, is right. And, as my ethics say: No wrong can be done to achieve a right, no matter how grave the situation may be. That means that if I suddenly fall ill with a disease to which the only cure is to kill another person (yes, fantasy) then, because of my moraliy, I simply can't. Same thing, you want to get rid of this person, fine, but killing him? Nope. Won't do.

I know you don't have my same morals, but I'm telling you where my thoughts come from. From my religion, a religion I love and try my best to follow.
 
Ah, but playing the emotions of the jury is a good way to manipulate them, and that's one of the things that lawyers are best at. Sadly enough.

I understand your position, though the example of a fatal disease that requires the life of someone else is in my opinion a bad example to use. I prefer to think of it as finding someone in your house with a knife that's ready to kill you for little to no reason at all. I doubt you'd just lie down and let it happen, and that if you had a gun, you'd probably put one between his eyes. You might feel bad about it after, but the survival instinct is remarkably strong.

Crime is a disease of society. One of many, unfortunately, and one of the most difficult to root out. But preventative measures can be taken, and mostly those work by scaring the living bejeezus out of people that think of committing crimes.
 
Off topic a bit but I want to say something to you Rae. I find your posts here amazingly brilliant. They bring me much pleasure to read. Your logics and explinations are excellent.

No this isn't sarcasm and no I'm not belittling you Answa, if you think so. You may not think so I just wanted that to be very very clear...carry on.
 
Strid, I think so, too.

And, Raesvelg, I'd pop one on his elbow or something, not kill him. But, anyway, in all honesty, I'm not really sure of what I'd do in that kind of situation, it's never happened to me, and I certainly hope it will never happen. If it does, I'd never in my life have a gun, so... don't know.

Just, know this, Raesvelg, sometimes the best answer isn't the most "logical" one, but the right one. One that will not haunt you in your life, or in your death. It's not always what best suits our pockets or our logics, because, Raes, I'd agree with you in all your points, because, they're all very valid points, but my heart just won't allow it, and I'm a fool of my heart, and of my God.

I honestly think people can change, too. But I'm a person that's very easily lied to, so I can't be the man in charge of seeing to that. :lol: I've changed a lot, I used to be a devil when I was a little kid, but my mom changed that for me... in a rather funny way. She sat me down to watch "Ghost" and when the little demons came and took the evil guys away... she told me: That's what happens to little boys that don't obey their mother... I cried that whole night, but I changed, and I think I'm a good person, and if it weren't for that, I'd still be a little dick.

I know I'm young, and lack experience in life, but I know where my ideals and heart lie, in God. Execution is wrong, plain and simple, for the same reason murder is wrong. Lives of people are not for us to toy with, they are not for us to take away. Not even ours. This is as true to me as the sun that rises and gives me light every day... I simply cannot and will not agree with execution.

PS: Language barriers suck. I repeat way too much. :?
 
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