Katrina...a man-made disaster not a natural disaster....

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An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the
Welfare State

An Objectivist Review

by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist

September 2, 2005

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure
out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them,
because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going
on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you
think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials
is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send
transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send
engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure.
For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the
heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work
and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being
taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to
do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they
are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself
included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind,
and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by
federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television
channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not
happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades.
Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be
confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave
in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in
other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have
been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it
is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion.
They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously
organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in
America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own
initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care
of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small
town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens
to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing
cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response
of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a
description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists,
knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets;
and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen
poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and
gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened
Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with
shoot-to-kill orders.

"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,'
she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These
troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do
so if necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article
shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on
an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of
squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It
looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for
an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to
storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the
drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people
to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further
destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help
them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News
Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She
studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is
located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert
Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in
America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for
uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since,
mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a
whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the
informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news
channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the
residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane,
and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the
city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an
additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that
the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's
jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a
significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large
number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and
vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the
deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people
from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people
selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced
helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the
incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of
the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the
city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city
corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure
the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political
supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of
emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact,
some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for
example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans
had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an
execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious
Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the
truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that
was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of
the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency
is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond
to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to
overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain
that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos
of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about
saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own
anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their
businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried
about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But
living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains
and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral
ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no
one is reporting.


Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005



/Afukinmenforrealshitandnotliberalbullshit.
 
Edit: meh, my original post was as full of teeth as it was sarcastic :/

Agreed: welfare state bad. Unfortunately both parties have dropped the ball when it comes to things of this nature. While it's been admitted on numerous levels mistakes were made before, during, and after the storm i can hardly back any one person, event, or lifestyle being the crux of this disaster. There are many reasons things went wrong, there's only a handful of reasons it's still not right.

/usingslashcommandstolookcooliscounterproductive 8)
 
Liberal or Conservative.

What we've seen is a horrid thing. I don't have the answers, and I won't pretend to. A rare thing if I may say so.

Regardless of what political side we take, we're all Americans, and are all probably deeply disturbed by this. While I agree, the welfare state doesn't help, I honestly don't know enough first hand knowledge to pass any sort of judgement.

While I myself, am not a fan of our current president, it's not his fault. Plain and simple. He's one man, he can't ensure the entire Southeast has Hurricane evactuation plans, and manage a war. o.O

He's efing human. Just like Bill Clinton, and his own father, George Bush Senior.Instead of pointing fingers, we should help one another where we can.

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Mokk said:
Edit: meh, my original post was as full of teeth as it was sarcastic :/

Agreed: welfare state bad. Unfortunately both parties have dropped the ball when it comes to things of this nature. While it's been admitted on numerous levels mistakes were made before, during, and after the storm i can hardly back any one person, event, or lifestyle being the crux of this disaster. There are many reasons things went wrong, there's only a handful of reasons it's still not right.

/usingslashcommandstolookcooliscounterproductive 8)

Actually it doesn't look cool it looks nerdy and effing gay but it owns for haha's, sarcastics, and the sort. Also, has nothing to do with productivity. :?
 
Mokk said:
/usingslashcommandstolookcooliscounterproductive

/wellImeanifIweretypinganactualemoteitwouldlooklikeimgoingforthecoolyetnerdyimagebutsinceimtypingasentenceoutwithitit'stotallysexy

The Druw said:
He's one man, he can't ensure the entire Southeast has Hurricane evactuation plans, and manage a war.

Uggh, I know what you mean, how could he possibly have people dying on both ends...
 
I agree, it's not Bush's fault that the Director of FEMA is totally useless.

It's not like he apointed him or anything...

But in all seriousness, it's not his fault that the local government failed to come up with a plan. I think the picture of the field of school buses sitting under water makes my point here.

The local governments prevention is not his fault.

The failure of the fedral government to respond (on a large scale) the first 4 days... that kinda was his fault. Bill maher said "...you apoint your buddies to positions like ambasador to Uzbeckistan(sp), not the director of FEMA..."

That is where blame can be placed on W.
 
regardless of who was to blame for the late arrival of supplies and medical attention, the actions of those that stayed was something never seen on such a large scale. Its interesting how he speaks of a poverty and welfare ridden area, that I cannot confirm nor deny without some sort of statistical evidence.

I do agree to a point that it was a man made disaster, it was a sad day for the human race to have to listen to those reports of police, rescue and medical workers being shot at, armed national guard troops coming in locked and loaded, the lack of attention from those in charge of supplies whether that be the president, the head of FEMA, and/or state and local authorities etc.

Having a clear evacuation plan should have been more present, some areas of new orleans are 30ft below sea level, the walls surrounding the city could only withstand a category2 hurricane I believe it was? Everyone was to blame as we were totally unprepared to even deal with a storm of that magnitude. It will be interesting how things will be once the city is operational again, will it just be business as usual or making strides to be more prepared in the event that were to happen again.
 
the behavior of the people that went on a crime spree is one of the reasons im not going back to New Orleans. but making this a political thing isnt helping matters. fingers that are pointing at others trying to assign blame could be put to better use by punching buttons of phone #'s to assistance organizations.

as a native of the city i can tell u that NOLA was more corrupt then many of you will be fully able to realize. but its was the weakling individuals fault, not the welfare system, that caused the crime spree in the wake of the hurricane. i dont blame systems. i blame the pathetic fool that commited the acts.

like morphius said to the marovingian: "everything begins with choice." the welfare system didnt make them start looting, rapping, and shooting. they chose to commit those acts. weak willed fools that live under self-imposed burdons that dont have the presence of mind to get themselves out of their hovel. they are the ones to blame for the crime spree. IMO
 
Zaltana said:
like morphius said to the marovingian: "everything begins with choice." the welfare system didnt make them start looting, rapping, and shooting. they chose to commit those acts. weak willed fools that live under self-imposed burdons that dont have the presence of mind to get themselves out of their hovel. they are the ones to blame for the crime spree. IMO

Yeah, god damn rapping, that shit is so evil. I can't believe they would rap after such an event has occured. To hell with them all, to hell I say!!!!


((Yes, I do know you meant to type rape))
 
The real man made disaster that caused this tragedy written years ago (not in quote box because it is easier to read):

The Mississippi River threatens to abandon its main channel through avulsion, and instead flow down the shorter, steeper Atchafalaya River floodway to the Gulf of Mexico. This would isolate Baton Rouge and New Orleans from river transport and the world markets. Therefore, the US Army Corps of Engineers has constructed the massive Old River Control Structure to prevent this specific avulsion event from happening. It is a strange paradox that the City of New Orleans is threatened by both avulsion (channel abandonment) and flood from the mighty Mississippi. New Orleans was founded in 1717, and in the same year there was a large flood. So they started building artificial levees to ‘protect’ the city. But this is difficult, of course, because the ‘Crescent City’ is located on a curving natural levee along the Mississippi, and on the adjacent swampland out toward Lake Pontchartrain. Much of the ‘Big Easy’ is below sea level! The city is built on the alluvial sand, silt, and clay deposited by the river, and these sediments are subsiding under their own weight at about 3’ per century. Today, the city averages about 8’ below sea level, and sea level is rising!

Perversely, the city is threatened by the very levee construction intended to protect the city and other cities and property like it along the Mississippi. These levees have prevented the overbank deposition of sediments during floods, and it was this occasional sedimentation on the floodplain surface that allowed the elevation to remain more or less constant. That is, the aggradation during floods kept pace with the subsidence. Not any more. Now, with the levees that line the Mississippi River, the sediments suspended in Old Muddy are transported out to sea, and New Orleans continues to subside (the birds foot delta at the river mouth has grown dramatically in recent decades due to this heavy sediment load). So big floods are a substantial risk to the New Orleans. Sure, there are artificial levees ‘protecting’ the city. But these levees can be destroyed in large flood events by wave action, by erosion when overtopped by water, by slump failure when they become water saturated, and by subsurface ‘piping’ (water under pressure will fill the pore space of the ground under the levee, flow through small seams or fissures, and then outcrop at lower elevations on the opposite or protected side of the levee). Piping causes little sand ‘volcanoes’ and can completely undermine and destroy a levee. So the flood risk to New Orleans exists in spite of these levees. But the city is also threatened by avulsion of the Mississippi River into the Atchafalaya floodway. This channel abandonment is probably inevitable over geologic time, but if it happens anytime soon it would leave New Orleans high and dry, without a river outlet to the sea and the world markets. So the avulsion risk is primarily financial, while the more immediate flood risk is both a financial and public safety concern.

1. Deforestation reduces water residence time on the floodplain and reduces infiltration to the soil, aggravating flooding. 2. Wetlands have been destroyed, developed, and leveed. Wetlands that used to absorb flood overflows, and slowly release these waters back into the main channel, preventing the high flood crests now often seen. 3. Channelization has converted the river from a broad meandering channel into a straight and narrow ditch. This greatly speeds up river flow, which can readily damage flood control levees during flood events. The great Mississippi River has been shortened by 170 miles, thanks to channelization! 4. Urbanization of the drainage basin cuts down on water infiltration to the soil and ground, increasing runoff and flooding. 5. Artificial levees now restrict the river to narrow ribbons, which can flood in lesser discharge events….if the levees fail. 6. We have built out on the floodplain, exposing people and property to flood risk.
 
Ecks said:
Zaltana said:
like morphius said to the marovingian: "everything begins with choice." the welfare system didnt make them start looting, rapping, and shooting. they chose to commit those acts. weak willed fools that live under self-imposed burdons that dont have the presence of mind to get themselves out of their hovel. they are the ones to blame for the crime spree. IMO

Yeah, god damn rapping, that shit is so evil. I can't believe they would rap after such an event has occured. To hell with them all, to hell I say!!!!


((Yes, I do know you meant to type rape))

im still gonna do this cause im bored.

/doubleslap Ecks
:P
 
the article posted by strid has many valid points, but as Zaltana said it's only the tip of the iceberg... and honestly, I feel that this article may serve to detract people from the other horrible things that are happening. Price gauging in Baton Rouge for property.... People being evicted for no valid reason so that slum-lords can rent out the same property to others who are willing to pay 3x+ the price the current tenants are paying... it's horrible.

Edwards, the previous mayor of New Orleans, and one who's corruption measures up to that of H. P. Long, and has landed him in federal prison for a very long time (he is likely to die there), stated that if the government wanted to rebuild the city they would have to bring in other officials to do it... the state officials are all connected through the 'good old boys network'... as corrupt as he himself was/is, but no where near as compassionate, intelligent or capable as he was. Blanco's husband happened to be Edwards' right hand man for example.

I love New Orleans... it was and i hope will be a great place... but there are a lot of issues in that state, not just city... that need to be revealed and treated before a true recovery can be made. And honestly, they are not unique to LA... simply more pronounced there.

"The Welfare State" may have contributed to some of the problems, but it definitely isn't the source... or the only contributor. Southern poverty, poor education systems, and governmental corruption also *must* be examined. And a proper levee system (probably with 2, like found in Europe...) and new building codes should be enacted. I will agree that this disaster is not limited to the Natural one... but one certainly cannot ignore that aspect.... and the 'man made' part is far more complicated than a 26 paragraph article can possibly hope to take on.
 
corruption on the rebuilding and reclamation of property is not new to any disaster. Hurricane andrew in florida did the same when thousands of carpenters came down only to gouge and take advantage of people that were trying to rebuild their shattered lives.However the people in Florida did not act nearly as unruly and corrupted as the individuals of New Orleans.

Youre right a 26 paragraph article cannot possibly take on the man made aspects of this, but what do we do, how do we protect ourselves from another Katrina from occuring. The issues at hand have roots that spread far deeper that just Lousiana Alabama Mississippi and Florida, they affect us on a nation wide scale.

What steps towards recovery and prevention do we take now? From corrupted politicians, to response times, to bettering our nations citizens through education, what... what needs to be done. Hindsight is always 20/20 on these events, what makes us stronger is learning and adapting from our past mistakes.

The causes, vauge and clear as they may be in the eye of the beholder...turn to the future, what do you forsee as means of protection?
 
Correction: The man made disaster was well known and documented. There was even documentaries on it. It was shoved on the back burner by the Bush administration, particularly when they cut money that could have helped this situation starting in 2001.

Acutally politicians and leaders in general have overlooked this time and time again over the course of many years. Does that mean that when a disaster happens we should excuse the current politician in charge for it? Espeically when he actively contributes to the problem by cutting money he deemed unneccesary? And appointing a man in charge of such a situation with no prior expierience?

In my opinion HELL NO.

I sure wish when one of my employees gets caught doing something wrong I can claim innosence. But when you are a leader, you cannot, your there to accept responsiblity, your there to do something, your there to fix shit, your there to make sure shit don't happen. Your not there to make excuses and just collect a check.

We don't need a man that looks pretty in the white house, we need a man that gets shit done.

We need a person that will protect us, not somebody that just lets shit happen then acts like a hero.
 
Correction: The man made disaster was well known and documented. There was even documentaries on it. It was shoved on the back burner by the Bush administration, particularly when they cut money that could have helped this situation starting in 2001.
Ok, I'll bite. What changes was Bush supposed to make to stop a Cat 5 hurricane from hitting New Orleans. I know you accuse repubs as thinking him a god, but I didn't imagine you would too.

The man made problems I listed fall under city and state jurisdiction. Thus it is their responsibility to manage and fix them. I know how you would love to have big government manage everything and the complete elemination of statesl rights, but that isn't the way our government works.
We don't need a man that looks pretty in the white house, we need a man that gets shit done.
Hmm, I agree. Good thing Clinton is gone. :D
We need a person that will protect us, not somebody that just lets shit happen then acts like a hero.
Yeah, because he really let a cat 5 hurriance hit the coast. :roll:
 
Darkdante said:
We need a person that will protect us, not somebody that just lets shit happen then acts like a hero.

You're right and that's why I usually vote for the Republicans. :twisted:
 
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