Katrina...a man-made disaster not a natural disaster....

Nasya said:
And a proper levee system (probably with 2, like found in Europe...) and new building codes should be enacted.
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funny you should mention that. i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
 
Zaltana said:
Nasya said:
And a proper levee system (probably with 2, like found in Europe...) and new building codes should be enacted.
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funny you should mention that. i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
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But alas LA can't afford to when they are paying as many worthless niggers (by definition) to live and be lazy as they do. Maybe that's why they bussed um all to TX :evil: ....
 
i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
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Northern Europe does not hardly get hit with hurricanes, especially not the severe hurricanes our gulf coast sees. It is not efficient to make levees that would withstand a cat 5 hurricane. We could make near on Earthquake proof buildings and freeway systems, but the cost is so outrageous that it is more efficient to build a system that can withstand a distant hit and just rebuild whatever is directly damaged. The extra money to make 'super' levees could be spent elsewhere to save many more lives and rebuild the city for the same amount of money.

Also, had you read my post on the first page (near the bottom) you would see levees are self defeating, especially for New Orleans which is sinking under its own weigt at 3 feet every 100 years. Next time this happens there will be nothing to rebuild, it will be the new lost city of Atlantis.
 
Rones said:
i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
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Northern Europe does not hardly get hit with hurricanes, especially not the severe hurricanes our gulf coast sees. It is not efficient to make levees that would withstand a cat 5 hurricane. We could make near on Earthquake proof buildings and freeway systems, but the cost is so outrageous that it is more efficient to build a system that can withstand a distant hit and just rebuild whatever is directly damaged. The extra money to make 'super' levees could be spent elsewhere to save many more lives and rebuild the city for the same amount of money.

Also, had you read my post on the first page (near the bottom) you would see levees are self defeating, especially for New Orleans which is sinking under its own weigt at 3 feet every 100 years. Next time this happens there will be nothing to rebuild, it will be the new lost city of Atlantis.
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Rones every native of that city with even a general knowledge of its history knows its sinking. common knowledge given the area NOLA was built in.

and you are correct about europe rarely getting hit by hurricanes. that doesnt change the fact that if they are, or in the case of another flood causing diaster, their system is cetter prepared for it then ours was. they did what we didnt. played now now to prepare for the worst. saves them from paying more to fixup later.
 
Strid said:
Zaltana said:
Nasya said:
And a proper levee system (probably with 2, like found in Europe...) and new building codes should be enacted.
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funny you should mention that. i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
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But alas LA can't afford to when they are paying as many worthless niggers (by definition) to live and be lazy as they do. Maybe that's why they bussed um all to TX :evil: ....
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the state government isnt "paying them to be lazy". they are choosing to take advantage of a system that was designed to help others out of poverty and make something of themselves. like i quoted before, everything begins with choise. some choose to use it properly, others wont. i dont blame programs for their situation. i blame the lazy fools that abuse it.
 
that doesnt change the fact that if they are, or in the case of another flood causing diaster, their system is cetter prepared for it then ours was. they did what we didnt. played now now to prepare for the worst. saves them from paying more to fixup later.
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What are you rambling about? Their levees would not withstand a cat 5 hurricane either. The only reason they are better prepared than us is because they have nothing to prepare for except seasonal flooding. Even the Dutch claim they are fighting a losing battle as their levees must constantly be built higher and their towns are sinking. Many Dutch are considering the idea of relocating (exactly what N.O. should do).

Levees will make things worse. Spending billions to build a super levee (if there even is one for a cat 5) is not going to accomplish anything. The flooding was the least physically destructive part of the entire storm. At least after draining the water their will be homes there. In much of the Mississippi coast there is nothing left. The wind + storm surge flattened everything. The probability that another cat 5 storm would even specifically hit New Orleans again is slim. From what I have heard in my enviromental geology classes, around 1 every 100 years. The higher you build up the lake Ponchetrain and Mississippi river with levees, the worst the next flood will be. This is an example of throwing money at a bad solution. Everyone needs to cut their losses and rebuild the city on better ground.
 
*goes to the past takes Ayn Rand as a small child to an aborigonal tribe in South America negating objectivism*

/liberitarianwhat?what?
 
Zaltana said:
Strid said:
Zaltana said:
Nasya said:
And a proper levee system (probably with 2, like found in Europe...) and new building codes should be enacted.
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funny you should mention that. i saw the stint about the levee's in Europe being among the best in the world, perticulerly the dutch's levee system. we need some like those.
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But alas LA can't afford to when they are paying as many worthless niggers (by definition) to live and be lazy as they do. Maybe that's why they bussed um all to TX :evil: ....
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the state government isnt "paying them to be lazy". they are choosing to take advantage of a system that was designed to help others out of poverty and make something of themselves. like i quoted before, everything begins with choise. some choose to use it properly, others wont. i dont blame programs for their situation. i blame the lazy fools that abuse it.
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I agree with you. They are taking advantage of a wonderful system but still there are checks in most other regions welfare system to keep it from getting that out of hand and LA just hasn't done their part of the checking, obviously. For instance in TX, I know because of friends families on welfare, they actually show up and check you out some and you have to report to offices every so often. You sign some of your rights off for assisted living but in the process the people assiting you dont get dicked in the long haul. I just hope these people don't end up living in TX, crime rate has already, in my town, gone up from house theft, stolen cars, rape, etc and the people adding to the rate were all bussed out LA trash...The assistance they've gotten for housing has also turned into a big stink as it seems most of them are to lazy to start over and bitch about the stupidest things, i.e. no furniture, t.v's etc. despite being given a roof and food.. It's just a big mess. I feel for those of you who were worthwhile citizens of NOLA but you just don't represent the majority that we've taken in here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and that's were my anger on the matter is comming from. Personally I hope they keep close tabs on them and bus them back ASAP but the way talk is going now most of them are just being set up in the TX welfare system and being relocated to govt. housing... Hopefully it's all just temporary but knowing how those people act they'll be to sorry to even pick up the little bit they have here and go back. Again, I appologize to you good people that came from NOLA and mean none of this to you.
 
Rones said:
that doesnt change the fact that if they are, or in the case of another flood causing diaster, their system is cetter prepared for it then ours was. they did what we didnt. played now now to prepare for the worst. saves them from paying more to fixup later.
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What are you rambling about? Their levees would not withstand a cat 5 hurricane either. The only reason they are better prepared than us is because they have nothing to prepare for except seasonal flooding. Even the Dutch claim they are fighting a losing battle as their levees must constantly be built higher and their towns are sinking. Many Dutch are considering the idea of relocating (exactly what N.O. should do).

Levees will make things worse. Spending billions to build a super levee (if there even is one for a cat 5) is not going to accomplish anything. The flooding was the least physically destructive part of the entire storm. At least after draining the water their will be homes there. In much of the Mississippi coast there is nothing left. The wind + storm surge flattened everything. The probability that another cat 5 storm would even specifically hit New Orleans again is slim. From what I have heard in my enviromental geology classes, around 1 every 100 years. The higher you build up the lake Ponchetrain and Mississippi river with levees, the worst the next flood will be. This is an example of throwing money at a bad solution. Everyone needs to cut their losses and rebuild the city on better ground.
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To continue Rones' comment...The only thing that could really benefit NOLA would be to haul in tons of dirt and even the plane level out. That would just be to costly but the only sure fire solution. In that process you have to kill over everything below sea level, most likely the whole city, and that would never happen due to multiple reasons. Besides, the water flooding the city wasn't near as bad as what came after....the crime. That's the real problem not some levee system.
 
but doing so rones would kill the city itself. to fully understand that you would have had to grow up there. NOLA will never be relocated in the manner you sugested cause the citizens would not allow it. im not a historian so i dont know its fullest extent but the history of that city is rooted into the very toxic soacked ground its standing on. and peoples attachment to it is rooted deeper the a redwood tree's roots. you may be right in saying that relocation to more sutible ground would be a better choise but i'm telling u now that will never happen. not in our life time, or in several to follow.
 
dude the season lasts till november. and mama nature is making the most of it.
 
but on a positive note that storm isnt as organized as katrina was. that has to be a good thing. lets hope its stays out of shape.
 
you may be right in saying that relocation to more sutible ground would be a better choise but i'm telling u now that will never happen. not in our life time, or in several to follow.
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It's happened to several cities along the Mississippi. You don't even have to move all the city and what you do move won't be far. Just have to rebuild a little farther out on more solid land (where 20% of the city already is). Sadly Strid's idea wouldn't work. The ground material under the city that is below sea level is very loose and sinking. Adding more dirt would just speed up the sinking from weight. Part of the city is doomed, just a matter of how long we drag it out and how much money is thrown away.
 
Moving the city would probably be the best thing to do, probably the most costly but i don't see the sense in rebuilding a city everybody knows is in a bad place already.

How's the property value gonna be for someplace everyone knows already is a dangerous place? Build a grassy park there or golf course or something that could easily be evacuated.

Putting the city back in the same place with the same walls reeks of the bone headed stupidity that got us into this mess in the first place.

Its been said that the "history" of New Orleans would be lost with this move. I think theres alot more to think about than the "nostalgic history" of some place when you are talking about putting peoples lives in the path of the obviously rising level of the sea.

Not to mention the tax money you would save the country of trying to rebuild and upkeep a levee that could hold back a catagory 5 hurricane.
 
Rones said:
you may be right in saying that relocation to more sutible ground would be a better choise but i'm telling u now that will never happen. not in our life time, or in several to follow.
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It's happened to several cities along the Mississippi. You don't even have to move all the city and what you do move won't be far. Just have to rebuild a little farther out on more solid land (where 20% of the city already is). Sadly Strid's idea wouldn't work. The ground material under the city that is below sea level is very loose and sinking. Adding more dirt would just speed up the sinking from weight. Part of the city is doomed, just a matter of how long we drag it out and how much money is thrown away.
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Actually, I'm not really wrong. In TX we have building codes that require us to pier things down because TX dirt moves, under the surface, really really bad and fast. Same scenario here but you'd beam them across and down as opposed to just down. There are ways to sturdy the ground to make it able to be built up but the cost, like I stated originally, would be just to much to do so. It would severly slow down the rate at which the land sinks/slides to almost a hault. The problem is piers are very very expensive and to rebuild that soup bowl to make it level would take way more than any man or combination of men could ever afford. So I'm not wrong but just tossing out a possiblity that will never be done making it an impracticle subject matter.
 
You could put the city on 100 foot stilts and it would still sink. Their groundsoil is a mixture of sand and silt that is settling and compacting under the weight of the city. It doesn't really matter how you support the city because the weight is still going to be there pushing down. It's like building a house on quicksand. And even if you fixed the sinking problem, the rivers and canals that surrond the city are building up higher and higher above sea level as time pasts. This is on account of levees which prevent normal soil distribution.
 
Rones said:
You could put the city on 100 foot stilts and it would still sink. Their groundsoil is a mixture of sand and silt that is settling and compacting under the weight of the city. It doesn't really matter how you support the city because the weight is still going to be there pushing down. It's like building a house on quicksand. And even if you fixed the sinking problem, the rivers and canals that surrond the city are building up higher and higher above sea level as time pasts. This is on account of levees which prevent normal soil distribution.
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Anchor bolts and piers go past the soil, silt, sand, water etc. etc. until they hit solid ground to make a firm support. They are not stilts by anymeans, not even close, they are drilled in support and in turn they support leaving the ground soil uneeded to support.. More or less that was my way of saying there is only one thing they could do to save NOLA for good but it is a bit unrealistic so NOLA will never be saved for good. Would cost far to much money for anyone to pay for piers that long. So, could it be done? Yes. Will, it ever get done? Probably not that's way to much steel and way to much cost (probably in the trillions). I hope you understand what I'm getting at now. If not I'll be more plain cut next time.
 
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