KI Thread On 1000 needles a go go!

Silly Blue Mage and your silly magical Slugwinder.
 
Liefe said:
There is really a difference between overpowered and useless.

A spell with potential power but costs roughly 30-50% of your MP pool and hits 1/4 is useless no matter how you paint the picture, especially contrasting to BLM at 75. The person in these screenshots 1) had no food on, 2) was fighting toramas 3) did not show magic burst attempts with said spell. Since it is light based, a REALLY easy test would be just to MB it, no? Certain other spells are only macc enhanced by MB. If you wanted to test to see if it was magic damage or not, that would be the easiest way.

Bottomline is not enough testing has been done, but knowing SE it will probably blow ass anyhow. I'll let you guys know in a few days.
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there not blm they already have great offensive attack plus the ability to have dam near any job trait, that in themself make them very powerful to cast spell that does unblockable 1000 dmg please that just scream nerf. plus thousand nettle is none elemntal brcause it was elemental it would not hit same dmg every time, it more of a rng attack then a spell like someone throwing 1000 knives at someone
 
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Actually the icon is "light," and while that doesn't necessarily mean that it is an elemental damage ability, it does imply that it may have magic bursting power.

As far as traits go..only a few are really useful. L01 UNDEDKILLAR EXPZ PT!!1
And while 1000 needles may be "unblockable," it is apparently able to miss..

I don't exactly understand where your argument is going or how it is justified in terms of a 1000 damage spell that costs an extreme % of the blue mage MP pool, nor do I care, but do yourself a favor and stop. Between the lack of coherance in your posts and your knowledge of the blue mage job you are making yourself look pretty bad.
 
hmm clear mind usless? auto regen usless? a+ sword useless? being able to do spells at higher lvls like stoneskinaga useless? being able have damg near double protect with cocoon usless? having ability like head butt that stun mobs way before even drk get stun useless? need I go on? they get blm dots that stack, Tp reducing move, get drain, aoe healing spell, gravity type spell. Blu as they already are way stonger then any other mage job out there. There only draw back is that they can only hold a certain number of spells. Then you want a spell that if was constant would be the most dangerous spell in game because it unblockable call me what ever you want i dont car if it usesed all your mp it still be way overpowered.
 
hellstorm said:
hmm clear mind usless? auto regen usless? a+ sword useless? being able to do spells at higher lvls like stoneskinaga useless? being able have damg near double protect with cocoon usless? having ability like head butt that stun mobs way before even drk get stun useless? need I go on? they get blm dots that stack, Tp reducing move, get drain, aoe healing spell, gravity type spell. Blu as they already are way stonger then any other mage job out there. There only draw back is that they can only hold a certain number of spells. Then you want a spell that if was constant would be the most dangerous spell in game because it unblockable call me what ever you want i dont car if it usesed all your mp it still be way overpowered.
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Like I said before, to get those traits, you have to sacrifice your already limited spell splots and points pool. A- Sword btw, and sword sucks. Bad arguement there. But I guess since it's the Red Mages "best" weapon, I can see why you would cling to it. Cocoon lasts 5 minutes, if that. Oh no! Stoneskinga at the higher levels. Titan must be rolling in his grave! Oh wait, Diamondhide comes 22 levels after Earthen Ward. Woops! Healing Breeze is the only party healing move in the Blue Mage line up. It's no where near as effective as the Curaga Line, because it never upgrades. It gets marginally better with MND+, but Curaga II leaps way ahead of it.

I'm pretty sure the BLM DoT effect moves follow the same trend the BLM DoT's do while stacking. You'll just see the DD portion, but the DoT's won't stack. We don't know if Feather Tickle is as great as the mobs do it(remember, Blue Magic can miss, and it's no where near as potent as the actual monster ability.)

You're arguement is complete, 100%, utter whine. OH NO! 1000 Needles!

350 MP, damn near a minute recast. Thundaga III costs less, can be cast more often, and doesn't hurt the Black Mages MP pool as much as 1000 Needles does. Stick to Red Maging, you obviously have no clue what's going on outside of that job(and from my past experience with you, that clue is very very dimmed.)

Dry your tears, whiners. Blue Mage is completely balanced by the fact that:
1) The damaging moves aren't the same as the monster abilities, they're weaker/can miss.
2) The Enhancements are the same as the monster abilities, but they only last 5 minutes. As well, Refueling(Cluster haste) is only 10% compared to Hastes 12.5%. Also it's self only, buck up red mages, you're still useful.
3) Very limited MP pool.
4) No native traits, must sacrifice spells and points.


The only true whine that can exist against Blue Mages at this point, is the number of AE sleep moves they get. Soporific, Yawn, Sheep Song.. I'm pretty sure theres more.
 
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Skaw said:
Like I said before, to get those traits, you have to sacrifice your already limited spell splots and points pool. A- Sword btw, and sword sucks. Bad arguement there. But I guess since it's the Red Mages "best" weapon, I can see why you would cling to it. Cocoon lasts 5 minutes, if that. Oh no! Stoneskinga at the higher levels. Titan must be rolling in his grave!

I'm pretty sure the BLM DoT effect moves follow the same trend the BLM DoT's do while stacking. You'll just see the DD portion, but the DoT's won't stack. We don't know if Feather Tickle is as great as the mobs do it(remember, Blue Magic can miss, and it's no where near as potent as the actual monster ability.)

You're arguement is complete, 100%, utter whine. OH NO! 1000 Needles!

350 MP, damn near a minute recast. Thundaga III costs less, can be cast more often, and doesn't hurt the Black Mages MP pool as much as 1000 Needles does. Stick to Red Maging, you obviously have no clue what's going on outside of that job(and from my past experience with you, that clue is very very dimmed.)

Dry your tears, whiners. Blue Mage is completely balanced by the fact that:
1) The damaging moves aren't the same as the monster abilities, they're weaker/can miss.
2) The Enhancements are the same as the monster abilities, but they only last 5 minutes. As well, Refueling(Cluster haste) is only 10% compared to Hastes 12.5%. Also it's self only, buck up red mages, you're still useful.
3) Very limited MP pool.
4) No native traits, must sacrifice spells and points.
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never sid i was not useful first off and you proving my point 100% you whining about how 1000 needles is not being 100% hit or even 90% hit the only thing that keep blu in check is it inacc. Didnt say they was overpowered i said If 1000 needle was 100% hit they be overpowered. SE handle blu better then i would though they would.
In closing you all whining because 1000 needle dont hit ever time yet you lack the sight of blu true potencial of have access to more spell then rdm has access to witthout sub anything. They have access to to alot of job traits. I mean how many ability does a person use in a battle anyway. making blu one the most well rounded jobs in game yet you whining that blu spell not 100%. As for A+ sword you being the one who saying that +1 str make a diffents should see how much +26 sword would make a huge diffents. and finally you knowing me as a rdm considering we only been the same alliance only once you have no place say how I play rdm. Was doing 4-3 in sacrarium right?
 
ps sorry blu is not next blm SE fools you agian:spiteful:
 
if 1000needles was guaranteed hit 100% of time.. it would do 1k dmg.. take 350mp.. and take 12 seconds to cast.. anyone remember a BLM spell called flare? seems similar.. LOL 1k needles garbage.. even if it was 100%.. garbage.. BLU has much more things that are usefull.. 1k needles is not one of them. their spell selection is pretty powerfull.. but the limited spells blu is able to carry at one time surely is a nerf.. eaither way blu is interesting and looks promising at higher lvls.. just some some uber insane DD ppl talk about lol.
 
TheOsyris said:
if 1000needles was guaranteed hit 100% of time.. it would do 1k dmg.. take 350mp.. and take 12 seconds to cast.. anyone remember a BLM spell called flare? seems similar.. LOL 1k needles garbage.. even if it was 100%.. garbage.. BLU has much more things that are usefull.. 1k needles is not one of them. their spell selection is pretty powerfull.. but the limited spells blu is able to carry at one time surely is a nerf.. eaither way blu is interesting and looks promising at higher lvls.. just some some uber insane DD ppl talk about lol.
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thing is un like flare 1000 needle (if was 100%) is unblockable and could not be resist to lower dmg you get a alliance of blu and you can kill dang near anything 18k dmg just like that. but it not:cool:
 
Liefe said:
Actually the icon is "light," and while that doesn't necessarily mean that it is an elemental damage ability, it does imply that it may have magic bursting power.

As far as traits go..only a few are really useful. L01 UNDEDKILLAR EXPZ PT!!1
And while 1000 needles may be "unblockable," it is apparently able to miss..

I don't exactly understand where your argument is going or how it is justified in terms of a 1000 damage spell that costs an extreme % of the blue mage MP pool, nor do I care, but do yourself a favor and stop. Between the lack of coherance in your posts and your knowledge of the blue mage job you are making yourself look pretty bad.
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Liefe ftw.
What lvl is your BLU now?
 
TheOsyris said:
if 1000needles was guaranteed hit 100% of time.. it would do 1k dmg.. take 350mp.. and take 12 seconds to cast.. anyone remember a BLM spell called flare? seems similar.. LOL 1k needles garbage.. even if it was 100%.. garbage.. BLU has much more things that are usefull.. 1k needles is not one of them. their spell selection is pretty powerfull.. but the limited spells blu is able to carry at one time surely is a nerf.. eaither way blu is interesting and looks promising at higher lvls.. just some some uber insane DD ppl talk about lol.
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hellstorm said:
thing is un like flare 1000 needle (if was 100%) is unblockable and could not be resist to lower dmg you get a alliance of blu and you can kill dang near anything 18k dmg just like that. but it not:cool:
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And that comes back to my point. 1000 Needles is static damage. The only way it can do less is if you have stoneskin on(or in this case, your target.)

Thundaga III can do 2k under the right conditions(More under even more right conditions.) Costs less MP, and has a faster cool down period. No one ever said BLU was going to be the next BLM. No one even wanted "another" Black Mage. The fact that people whine and call 1000 Needles overpowered is ridiculous, especially after seeing its accuracy. Even if it landed all the time, it's no match for the higher level Black Magic spells.

How are you guys not getting this. Why do you still want to compare it to Black Mages. The MP cost is high. Blue Mages get no where near the MP pool Black Mages get. Elemental IV and -ga III's trump it against most mobs, and can be cast more often.

Blue mage is not Black mage. No one ever wanted an alternative. No one ever wanted a replacement. Blue Mage does it's job of making a melee/mage hybrid extremely well. Thats what people wanted. Thats what SE designed. Thats what Blue Mage is.

If you still want to whine about something, whine about something important.
 
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lol blue mage and your silly magical slugwinder?
 
I should hit 62 early next week. I'm not really in a rush..taking it slow.
At least by my standards..
 
Liefe said:
I should hit 62 early next week. I'm not really in a rush..taking it slow.
At least by my standards..
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can we bet on that? :D
 
Skaw said:
And that comes back to my point. 1000 Needles is static damage. The only way it can do less is if you have stoneskin on(or in this case, your target.)

Thundaga III can do 2k under the right conditions(More under even more right conditions.) Costs less MP, and has a faster cool down period. No one ever said BLU was going to be the next BLM. No one even wanted "another" Black Mage. The fact that people whine and call 1000 Needles overpowered is ridiculous, especially after seeing its accuracy. Even if it landed all the time, it's no match for the higher level Black Magic spells.

How are you guys not getting this. Why do you still want to compare it to Black Mages. The MP cost is high. Blue Mages get no where near the MP pool Black Mages get. Elemental IV and -ga III's trump it against most mobs, and can be cast more often.

Blue mage is not Black mage. No one ever wanted an alternative. No one ever wanted a replacement. Blue Mage does it's job of making a melee/mage hybrid extremely well. Thats what people wanted. Thats what SE designed. Thats what Blue Mage is.

If you still want to whine about something, whine about something important.
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yay now you talking we on same page now im finished here:cool:
 
Skaw said:
And that comes back to my point. 1000 Needles is static damage. The only way it can do less is if you have stoneskin on(or in this case, your target.)

Thundaga III can do 2k under the right conditions(More under even more right conditions.) Costs less MP, and has a faster cool down period. No one ever said BLU was going to be the next BLM. No one even wanted "another" Black Mage. The fact that people whine and call 1000 Needles overpowered is ridiculous, especially after seeing its accuracy. Even if it landed all the time, it's no match for the higher level Black Magic spells.

How are you guys not getting this. Why do you still want to compare it to Black Mages. The MP cost is high. Blue Mages get no where near the MP pool Black Mages get. Elemental IV and -ga III's trump it against most mobs, and can be cast more often.

Blue mage is not Black mage. No one ever wanted an alternative. No one ever wanted a replacement. Blue Mage does it's job of making a melee/mage hybrid extremely well. Thats what people wanted. Thats what SE designed. Thats what Blue Mage is.

If you still want to whine about something, whine about something important.
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GG topic.
 
Main reason i would not level blu is because 75 percent of the server is BLU already.Not willing to level another JOB and sit out of fights again!
 
wolfskymoon said:
Main reason i would not level blu is because 75 percent of the server is BLU already.Not willing to level another JOB and sit out of fights again!
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im lving a mnk with all these noob blus go go super lving all rdy 52 in 6 days
 
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