Killzone 2

Just finished the demo. Graphics-wise I think the game is great, but my only real concerns are the controls and the perspective. Both stem from a similar issue in the game: digging in.

Since digging in is the main "feature" of the Killzone series in the FPS world, their ability to use it carries significantly more weight than in most other games, and that's where I think it falls behind. Digging in using a first-person perspective sucks. I could play it as a normal run-and-gun FPS, but when the game is built around digging in for cover, that rarely works well even on the easiest difficulty and takes away from the intended experience.

Throughout the entire demo, I was wishing I could change the game to a third-person perspective like in gears of war, or that when I dug-in it would go to a third person perspective like in Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway. When I was dug-in, I couldn't see a damn thing, meaning I'd have to peek out, while getting hit, just to have some idea where to aim.

This brings me to my second complaint about the game: the controls. In order to shoot, while aiming and dug-in, it required me to use 4 buttons/sticks. L2 to dig in, Left stick to "peek out," R3 to toggle aiming mode, Right stick to aim, and finally R1 to fire. That's way too busy. The dig-in should be a toggle like the aim is(or make it a setting like the aim is).

The demo was OK for me. If the controls weren't so busy, and they went to a third-person perspective for digging in, or all the time, I'd enjoy it much more. I don't plan on buying the game anytime soon, but I might grab it in a bargain bin.
 
I knew the game was gonna look great. Damn it plays great too. I like the 1st person cover, but you can't compare to RB6. 3rd person is a camera cheat cause in reality you can't see what has no line of sight. It's overpowered. This keeps me in the game as if I'm the character not player. This isn't Gears or RB6 just cause there's a cover button, cause their covers were overpowered and you always used it. This is properly balanced so there are times for agressive or defensive styles. Not to say overpowered cover games aren't fun, just slow unless they overwhelm like Uncharted on Crushing.
 
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I liked the cover system. Like Fire said it makes me feel a little more in the game and is more real. Having to peak out to see where shit is, is cool imo.
 
I'd rather have much more fun with a slightly overpowered ability to see than be blinded with ultra realism.

The Killzone series is built around the dig-in ability, it was one of the first games to use it, the first game forced you to use it to survive. So yeah, it's a big deal that you should be using most of the time. If not, then it's just another generic shooter with nothing going for it other than being pretty.

I'm also a little biased against console shooters and prefer them on the PC since it's vastly superior. If I had a mouse/keyboard, the controls/viewing angle might not bother me so much.
 
I like the dig in system, it's different than the games I've been playing. Presents a more challenging aspect, and it works well for me too. Only thing I wasn't used to was the L3 for sprint, but that's because of playing R2 so much. I can get used to that easily.

Either way, hands down an awesome fps. So looking forward to the whole game.
 
Eleibfrid said:
I like the dig in system, it's different than the games I've been playing. Presents a more challenging aspect, and it works well for me too. Only thing I wasn't used to was the L3 for sprint, but that's because of playing R2 so much. I can get used to that easily.

Either way, hands down an awesome fps. So looking forward to the whole game.
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I promise i will fix my PS3 connection issue this week for you Elei.. ;;
It will be a must for me to try this game with friends.
 
TheOsyris said:
I promise i will fix my PS3 connection issue this week for you Elei.. ;;
It will be a must for me to try this game with friends.
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Osi I wouldn't want anything else ; ; we still need to play r2!
 
Bajaratt said:
This brings me to my second complaint about the game: the controls. In order to shoot, while aiming and dug-in, it required me to use 4 buttons/sticks. L2 to dig in, Left stick to "peek out," R3 to toggle aiming mode, Right stick to aim, and finally R1 to fire. That's way too busy. The dig-in should be a toggle like the aim is(or make it a setting like the aim is).
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In alls fairness it may be to busy for you but it really is the same as any other cover game except you don't get stuck to it. I kind of like that the cover isn't sticky, like Gears, RB6, or Graw. It actually lets you focus more on your shot than havin' to remember to pull off. Online though it wont be an issue as you can't use cover, and I really think that sucks. Also, I don't think non sticky cover wouldn't translate to well with the 360 controller or I bet more people would use it. Usin' the front two triggers for shootin' would be awful so it just wouldn't work.

I did have a hard time usin' the dig-in feature on the control set-up you mentioned though, just because the whole set-up is foreign to me. If you use the Alternate 2 set up it is just like playin' CoD (really, any shooter I've ever played on a console), even the melee and sprint, except you shoot and aim with the front two triggers instead of the back, which I prefer to do on the Sony controller. With Alt 2 set-up, to me, it requires as much "busy work" as simply runnin' and gunnin because the set-up is mentally fixed from past games. Maybe somethin' more natural to you would make it better, or you could just hook up your good ol' keys and mouse.
 
TheOsyris said:
I promise i will fix my PS3 connection issue this week for you Elei.. ;;
It will be a must for me to try this game with friends.
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If it wont be like early CoD4 all over again, I'll be surprised. I had some fun with you nuggas and man did we ever rape some face. I didn't always play with you guys but when I did, I had a blast. That's where a lot of my excitement comes from with this game. It's lookin' to be CoD4 gameplay, all over again, but more refreshin' because it's not so damn realistic. Let's just hope whoever does the servers cares about us a little more than Activision after about 6 months.
 
Makelith said:
I have a pretty strong suspicion that Elem doesn't actually search for threads, and just says he does.
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I did the advanced search thing, searched for "Killzone" in the Playstation Gaming section XD and nothing came up.

TheOsyris said:
Resistance was not released during a recession. We are at a rediculous unemployed rate at the moment.
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Wasn't released in a recession? It wasn't a recession last fall? Yes it was lol. They just didn't announce it yet. If you take economics and had been studying the numbers, we were in the downward slump for awhile :P Maybe not as low as now, but we were still in a recession. But ya, you are right, it's far worse now than it was in the fall :P so that's going to effect things.

And Baja, I think the perspective is for more "realism" I'm assuming. I haven't bothered with the demo cause I'm lazy about making and signing into a Europe Account. I guess they just do it cause if you're really dig in, you're not gonna see much unless you pop your head out heh. But I can't judge it myself yet, it might be annoying as hell to me too :P
 
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Elemmire said:
I did the advanced search thing, searched for "Killzone" in the Playstation Gaming section XD and nothing came up.
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Search the Gaming Parent forum. Yes threads get mixed up but its better to post in the old one and ask a mod to move it rather than start a new thread.
 
Elemmire said:
I did the advanced search thing, searched for "Killzone" in the Playstation Gaming section XD and nothing came up.



Wasn't released in a recession? It wasn't a recession last fall? Yes it was lol. They just didn't announce it yet. If you take economics and had been studying the numbers, we were in the downward slump for awhile :P Maybe not as low as now, but we were still in a recession. But ya, you are right, it's far worse now than it was in the fall :P so that's going to effect things.

And Baja, I think the perspective is for more "realism" I'm assuming. I haven't bothered with the demo cause I'm lazy about making and signing into a Europe Account. I guess they just do it cause if you're really dig in, you're not gonna see much unless you pop your head out heh. But I can't judge it myself yet, it might be annoying as hell to me too :P
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Yeah Elemm i kinda ment it was not as serious as now. If you wanted to get more technical Detroit has been in a recession for years lol.
 
XD ya that's true, poor Detroit :P
 
Firestreak said:
Preordered this when I got Persona 4. Danbury gamestop doing a midnight launch, but doubt I'll be there.
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Our gamespots here cancelled the KZ2 midnight launch but still have the Halo Wars midnight launch.. I will be picking this up and am ready to get online!
 
TheOsyris said:
Our gamespots here cancelled the KZ2 midnight launch but still have the Halo Wars midnight launch.. I will be picking this up and am ready to get online!
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In that case, Gamestop are about to get...

KILLZOWNED!!!​

Seriously, that's the dumbest move ever >_>
 
Don't see what's so great about the midnight launches, they never do them on a Friday or Saturday, so you have to have no work or job to take advantage of them. I mean, sure, you can stay out til midnight if you have work in the morning... but you aren't gonna be out of there and starting it up until 1 AM and you damn well better get to sleep by 2.
 
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