Kirin's Osode {I don't understand.}

Zaltana said:
this is what i thought first when i read this thread. people wear what they can till they get what they want. next player you see wearing an osode over togi just ask em.
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The thing is though, strictly speaking for exp purposes, SH will be on par, if not outperform in most situations, an Osode for TPing and WSing.

SH costs around 150k
Osodes 2-2.5m

Sell that Osode and buy some Kirin seals for your Togi folks! :wink:
 
Bavaria said:
The thing is though, strictly speaking for exp purposes, SH will be on par, if not outperform in most situations, an Osode for TPing and WSing.
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No, it won't. Sh has 10 accuracy, Osode has 5 accuracy, 5 attack, as well as the STR/DEX to boost crits or fSTR as little as it does. Osode is easily a better option than SH is. 5 more accuracy, on a job with an A+ weapon, a massive +acc JA, +skill merits(for acc and the base damage increase) and should be eating sushi anyways, is an insignificant increase. Unless your accuracy sucks, Osode will outperform SH.
 
Solo ^-^

The reason that i wear my osode over togi and i assume many others do the same, is, because either i am soloing or that i'm tanking small group events like nyzul or wsnm's or w/e im doing. Togi is great but offers no defensive bonuses.
Osode has +50hp over togi,10 to every stat, not to mention 12 def(lol). Im not saying that hands down osode>togi only when u are taking hate, or for certain ws.

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Balinorix said:
The reason that i wear my osode over togi and i assume many others do the same, is, because either i am soloing or that i'm tanking small group events like nyzul or wsnm's or w/e im doing. Togi is great but offers no defensive bonuses.
Osode has +50hp over togi,10 to every stat, not to mention 12 def(lol). Im not saying that hands down osode>togi only when u are taking hate, or for certain ws.

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tanking on mnk is differant then ninja, samurai or thief.

you main focus is haste and acc, with a lesser extent on eva. for most mobs, when your *the tank* you should be using counterstance. counterstance trigger more often if your acc in accordance to the mob your fighting is very high. when your defense is next to nothing, 55 hp, 10vit 10agi with some minor defense are not going to matter. it's all about being able to recast utsusemi without being interupted.
 
Balinorix said:
The reason that i wear my osode over togi and i assume many others do the same, is, because either i am soloing or that i'm tanking small group events like nyzul or wsnm's or w/e im doing. Togi is great but offers no defensive bonuses.
Osode has +50hp over togi,10 to every stat, not to mention 12 def(lol). Im not saying that hands down osode>togi only when u are taking hate, or for certain ws.
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As far as tanking is concerned, it'd probably make more sense to wear your regular TPing gear when shadows are up, and switch in evasion and/or something like Arhat's for damage reduction when shadows are down to be honest. As someone said earlier, defense on gear matters for nothing with Counterstance up. Physical damage reduction on the other-hand does come into effect, and can prove very useful when you're expecting to take immense damage from attacks while Counterstance is active.

For example; HQ Arhat's body & head combined with Jelly ring gives you -20% damage reduction. That's an earth staff's worth right there. It'll shave about 100 points of damage off a hit for 500 from a NM Chariot or something similar, assuming it hits.

Just throwing that in there. Osode isn't really the best choice for defensive purposes.
 
Bajaratt said:
No, it won't. Sh has 10 accuracy, Osode has 5 accuracy, 5 attack, as well as the STR/DEX to boost crits or fSTR as little as it does. Osode is easily a better option than SH is. 5 more accuracy, on a job with an A+ weapon, a massive +acc JA, +skill merits(for acc and the base damage increase) and should be eating sushi anyways, is an insignificant increase. Unless your accuracy sucks, Osode will outperform SH.
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So MNKs should wear Osode and eat sushi?
Send me a tell in game some day and we'll throw together a merit party. I've gotta see a Sushi eating Osode outparse a meat eating Togi. Or even a meat eating SH.
 
Bavaria said:
So MNKs should wear Osode and eat sushi?
Send me a tell in game some day and we'll throw together a merit party. I've gotta see a Sushi eating Osode outparse a meat eating Togi. Or even a meat eating SH.
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What? Bajaratt said nothing about Togi, which is unanimously the superior option. If you can reliably eat meat while wearring a SH, you can reliably eat meat while wearring an Osode. Osode is going to perform slightly better than a SH given the rest of your equipment is all the same(and not complete ass) and so is your food.
 
Bavaria said:
So MNKs should wear Osode and eat sushi?
Send me a tell in game some day and we'll throw together a merit party. I've gotta see a Sushi eating Osode outparse a meat eating Togi. Or even a meat eating SH.
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Yes, a sushi-eating, osode-wearing monk will do better than a meat-eating, scorpion harness-wearing monk on real merit mobs. Osode is better than SH, sushi is better than meat, so combining the two better options is obviously better than the combination of the two weaker options. Unless you're fighting something weak like imps or you're wasting your bard(or you're an idiot PUP), sushi's going to outperform meat easily.
 
Bavaria said:
Flame rings for WS too right?
Offer stands, come show me.
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I have to show you obvious common sense, what everyone that's intelligent already accepts as fact?

Maybe next you'll want me to explain why a faith torque is better than chivalrous chain.
 
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How did this thread get passed page one. The bottom line is that every use osode has there is a better and cheaper alternative.

if your mnk doesnt have a Shura togi then chances are you are missing a lot of other good gear as well, meaning that sacrificing 5 acc for 5 att puts you well under a decent hit/miss rate, not saying the extra 5 acc is godly but whats the 5 att going to do? Also, 10Dex isnt breaking any crit teirs on anything worthwhile unless you severely gimp the rest of your gear. 119 is the magic number for dex and you'd need to take off the black belt to do that.

In the defensive reasoning the 12 def and vit is negligible. If def matter plds would still use Mbody. i'd say the SH even has better defensive because the eva is better than the agi and the acc would so slightly raise counter rate.

I'm really tired or seeing people defend this piece of garbage. It has less use than steven Hawking's Penis. Chi blast in it if you keep a chi blast set.

Edit: Sushi > meat? lol you'rean idiot.
 
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Arros said:
How did this thread get passed page one. The bottom line is that every use osode has there is a better and cheaper alternative.

if your mnk doesnt have a Shura togi then chances are you are missing a lot of other good gear as well, meaning that sacrificing 5 acc for 5 att puts you well under a decent hit/miss rate, not saying the extra 5 acc is godly but whats the 5 att going to do? Also, 10Dex isnt breaking any crit teirs on anything worthwhile unless you severely gimp the rest of your gear. 119 is the magic number for dex and you'd need to take off the black belt to do that.

In the defensive reasoning the 12 def and vit is negligible. If def matter plds would still use Mbody. i'd say the SH even has better defensive because the eva is better than the agi and the acc would so slightly raise counter rate.

I'm really tired or seeing people defend this piece of garbage. It has less use than steven Hawking's Penis. Chi blast in it if you keep a chi blast set.

Edit: Sushi > meat? lol you'rean idiot.
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No one's defending Osode over Togi. What's being discussed now is that Osode > Scorpion Harness. That 5 accuracy isn't going to make a noticeable difference even with average AH gear, and if you don't have good gear, you're not going to have an osode in the first place.

Meat's better than sushi only if you enjoy crappy exp parties on weak mobs. When you join the real cannons on mamools, you either eat sushi or gimp everyone else by wasting a song from your bard to hide your gimpness. Anything else and you're a complete waste of a party slot.
 
Do you know what Pianissimo is?

Regardless base attributes do jack shit for tp, 5 acc is leaps and bounds better than 10 lolstr and dex.

Anytime you want to actually merit with me in your osode i'll wear an SH and rape you on the parse.

Then i'll eat meat on mamools get a pianissimo'd acc song and continue to win the parse.

Edit: ALso, i never compared it to a shura togi.
 
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Arros said:
Do you know what Pianissimo is?
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I'd forgotten about it, surprising since I'm a bard myself, but this is the only real point you have and it's still not even a good point. So now, instead of gimping everyone else, you're still going to be slowing down exp since you'll force the bard to play an extra song rather than pulling. It's still lowering exp/hour, which is what playing madrigal for the whole party would do.

Maybe that'd be a good thing though, most of my merit parties kill so fast that we have to pull extra mobs just to maintain chain. Slowing down pulls might make it easier to maintain; but then, it'd still lower exp/hour since we'd be killing less mobs per hour.

Regardless base attributes do jack shit for tp, 5 acc is leaps and bounds better than 10 lolstr and dex.
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You're a really shitty monk if 5 accuracy is going to make a "leaps and bounds" better difference; you must not wear any accuracy gear or go in with under leveled h2h skill. Or maybe you never focus, who knows. Regardless, 5 accuracy isn't going to have any meaningful impact on your damage, unless you're stupidly eating meat.

You must wear PCC instead of Faith Torque if you think a minor increase in accuracy outweighs an increase in attack at 75.

Anytime you want to actually merit with me in your osode i'll wear an SH and rape you on the parse.
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If I'm meriting, I'm wearing my Togi like an intelligent monk would. Who are you anyways?

Then i'll eat meat on mamools get a pianissimo'd acc song and continue to win the parse.
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This is the biggest lol of the post; you obviously either never merit on mamools, or never cannon on them so you never actually fight lurkers.

Since you don't know, I'll inform you. In either mamool merit camp, there's this mob called Mamool Lurker; he's a thief and evasive as hell. Even with sushi, you need madrigal on to hit him reliably, or a thf using feint. Either way, you're going to have shit accuracy on them, which will cause you to lose the exp chain since you're whiffing so hard rather than doing your job.

Who are you anyways? Based on your posting "style" you sound like a sockpuppet of Bavaria's, or at least his friend.
 
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i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here. you seem only party with one bard.

Regardless you eat sushi, you take a minuet 3 for 48 attack while i have meat giving me 100 att. you would be overkilling the acc with sushi while i would be getting 34 acc which is well enough to hit mamools with my tp setup.

I do use a Faith torque because i also have enough acc to use it. i thought we were discussing monks with no shura? My name is game is Ninesixtwoseven, check me sometime.
 
i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here. you seem only party with one bard.
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Even with 2, I'd rather get that second minuet/march than a smaller increase in acc from sushi.

Regardless you eat sushi, you take a minuet 3 for 48 attack while i have meat giving me 100 att. you would be overkilling the acc with sushi while i would be getting 34 acc which is well enough to hit mamools with my tp setup.
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All except for lurkers, which can kill chains. You've also got a very shitty bard if they're only giving you 48 attack from minuet 4.

In a normal exp party, meat might be fine; but in a canon, meat sucks.
 
you seem to be unable to read 48 att is minuet 3.
 
Arros said:
you seem to be unable to read 48 att is minuet 3.
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I did, but you still seem to party with shitty bards who don't use a cornette +1.
 
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