Kirin's Osode {I don't understand.}

To be honest, i sat and read through some of that Genome(sp?) site and it was pretty amusing, the Osode > Togi part did make me laugh, but go on reading and you'll see him telling you Bomb Queen ring gives more benefit than Snipers and other such gems, I'm not knocking his achievements - he's soloed a fair few things, but some of his logic is somewhat lacking.
 
Hach said:
Hmm because kirin osode is one of the best gear for RNG and BRD.

Anyway back to the argument of Osode and togi. Regarding the Gnome blog, I have always wanted to say it but.. i do not believe the parse result of osode > togi. I have always wanted to post a reply in that section but i do not know how to (Someone help me post pls). If you notice the parse.. SURPRISINGLY Kirin Osode ACC is HIGHER than shura togi which is DEFINITELY wrong. I do not not know why no one notice it if they both have the same equipment and food.....

About monk using sushi or meat in merit party. Sorry I will agree that sushi is the best for merit parties. When i was sparsing my monk (only 1 H2H merit) at the colibri camp, i wear FULL ACC gear which include O.hat, P.body, PCC, Potent Belt, Usukane Feet, Byakko pants. Earring was ethreal and brutal. I only manage to overall average my hit accuracy at 80% only. Go and do the caculations and see meat or sushi is better =o

Usually when I am soloing, I tend to use Kirin Osode because it does not give me the -HP, If i am soloing it that mean i dont have much of accuracy problem, Genome blog supposedly say agi can help in guard and kick activation rate. Regardless of whether the 3rd point is valid or not, the first two points is good enough to sway my decision especially when i am a tarutaru MNK.
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Having 85-90% acc (Full usukane, hade's+1, faith torque, maxed merits, hedge pie) while eating meat is worth it when you still maintain capped haste at the same time.

However, in your gearsituation, sushi will outparse meat. You're forced out of to much haste.
 
In case of colibri.. they'll eat your food right away anyway. Last weekend I did a quick meripo there, I happened to have kabobs on me and the stack lasted me ~10 minutes. I had ~85%acc full usu.
 
Where you using destroyers or Hades? I find Hades+1 nets better results in any situation where i eat/can eat meat. Im assuming capped hand to hand?
 
I did the math once, assuming critical/non critical is 1.8 (seems to be the case in merits at least). Apparently Destroyer beats NQ hades as long as you got more than 80% acc iirc and, discounting the +1 dmg, destroyers beats hades+1 only when acc > 90% or something like this, which rarely happens. I'm not sure on the actual numbers, but destroyer should be superior to NQ in most cases.
 
Not to mention focus ( acc +30) for when the bard pulls a lurker. Meat is definately a must for HQ monks.

Full usu gets you +29 acc over the 'standard' monk gear, but also -25 attack ( from memory). While sushi gives +55 acc. So its all about wether +55 acc, +25 atck ( standard gear, sushi) beats +29 acc, +75 atck ( full usu, rabit pie). If you're doing full usu+sushi then that's +84 acc, -25 attack... most of the time overkill accuracy.

With 80% acc or less I definatly use sushi ( 70% in Odin's chamber for me), but meat otherwise: einherjar wings 1-3 85% acc ( some exceptions when I use sushi), salvage 90% acc lower floors and Boss 85% acc ( depends on gear unlocks), meripo 85-90% acc, limbus 95% acc).



I did a meripo on monk myself this week end ( first since I got full usu), at Mamoolja SP ( puks+ MMJ camp), averaged 92% accuracy with meat ( But i got full usu, PCC, 2x toreador, hades sainty, hollow). Sushi is a waste there.
 
Yeah, i used hedgepie the last few merit-PT's, which is another 5 acc to. Saved focus for lurkers, and was probably tanking atleast 75% of the time, minimum. Granted i have +18 enmity in TP gear. But i would say i would eat any sushi-mnk alive.
 
bladewind~ said:
To be honest, i sat and read through some of that Genome(sp?) site and it was pretty amusing, the Osode > Togi part did make me laugh, but go on reading and you'll see him telling you Bomb Queen ring gives more benefit than Snipers and other such gems, I'm not knocking his achievements - he's soloed a fair few things, but some of his logic is somewhat lacking.
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I don't think his logic is lacking. I just think you don't understand some of his logic. Read more carefully and you will see the reasons for some of his gear choices in certain situations. yes bomb queen full time all time, wooohaaa.
 
I'd use it just to stop wearing the same thing I have been wearing for the past I dunno like 2years.... Stupid SH
 
Puh Mnks

Osode on puks and mamool low evasion mobs owns!!!! Not only do i tp in it, I ws w/ it on!! Didn't ever really try it till this past weekend but was wondering why i even had an osode so wanted to try n get some use out of it... asuran fists for 1200 dmg on puks and low evasion beats out using sushi... Using sushi is pointless for puks and low evasion mamool when you have h2h merits capped... The critical hit bonus i was getting by using osode was definitely noticeable.. I was also using hedgehog pie as food... +30 acc from focus for high evasion mobs, do not forget.. 8/8 h2h, 5/5 kick, 5/5 counter, +3 Str, +2 Dex (elvaan), pca, black belt.. You really dont need +30 acc for puks and mamools that not only con low evasion but are low evasion.. Shura togi on higher evasion mobs..
I've got 4 macro lists just for gear swapping..

All time on gear : destroyers, ult ring, rajas, brutal earring, eth earring, pca, amement +1, by hadiate

Low evasion mobs : KO, turban, ochi kote, black belt, dune boots...
High evasion mobs : Shura togi, turban (optical hat: if lurker/nin), ochi kote, black belt, dune boots / hakke habaki (depending on my mood)..

WS Low evasion : KO, Shura head (Genbu for dragon kick to change it up w/ footwork just for ws), potent belt, Tmple +1 hands, melee gaiters.. (1200 Dmg avg puks)
WS High evasion : Shura body, Shura head (Optical if lurker/nin), Tmple +1 hands, potent belt, melee gaiters.. (800-900 Avg Dmg)

Just tried it this last weekend and was getting decent accuracy meleeing w/ 16 tp return and dont forget bards should be smart enough to pop a quick madrigal in if a lurker is pulled... One thing that gets under my skin more than anything is people automatically assuming if you dont play a job like everyone you suck... Only way you learn is to try so don't get on someones case because they're tryin something new
 
Why are you using Melee gaiters for weapon skills?
 
Slick said:
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the counterstance boost doesn't wear off when you take them off; it's just only in effect while you're wearing them. There's no reason to wear them for weaponskills.
 
No reason?

Dex +4? Total gives +34 Dex with +35 Str... No reason?
Gives a total of 102 Dex with 108 Str to ws with...
 
There are better alternatives to those for weaponskill.
 
Slick said:
Dex +4? Total gives +34 Dex with +35 Str... No reason?
Gives a total of 102 Dex with 108 Str to ws with...
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Accuracy is never an issue for a monk, especially not on weapon skills.

They're a crappy option to WS with, even lolSTR boots would be much better.
 
Dex isnt just acc, its for crit as well, and as i said before, i was using atk food so acc isn't a straight up given.. I would be using denali / usu if i had it and i'm not going to clog my inv w/ those pos str feet piece..
Also theres no information that swapping melee gaiters out after using counterstance keeps the effect.. Just b/c focus and dodge with their respective AF doesnt mean melee gaiters work with counterstance the same way so i'll play it safe..
 
Slick said:
Dex isnt just acc, its for crit as well, and as i said before, i was using atk food so acc isn't a straight up given.. I would be using denali / usu if i had it and i'm not going to clog my inv w/ those pos str feet piece..
Also theres no information that swapping melee gaiters out after using counterstance keeps the effect.. Just b/c focus and dodge with their respective AF doesnt mean melee gaiters work with counterstance the same way so i'll play it safe..
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Asuran fists can't crit, apparently no WS that does not specifically mention critical hits in the description can crit. So no, dex does not have any value for doing a monk weapon skill. You can be gimp if you want, I'd personally rather have something useful in the slot when I'm doing a WS. Hell, if you're going to stupidly go for DEX, get enkidu's leggings, they're usukane -1.

Also, why are you using counterstance anyways, you should be subbing nin.
 
I 100% always use counterstance no-matter what sub im using.
 
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