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[Rappa]

Online dating/relationships have NOTHING TO DO with Final Fantasy XI. Just because two people are dating (and yes I used the term "dating", I don't care if you agree or not with that definition) and both happen to play FFXI doesn't magically make their relationship anyone else's business. It doesn't matter if they live in the same house or on different continents, it's still no one else's business. If you think "e-lationships" should be public concern, then by extension you're saying that people married rl and happen to play the game together should also be everyone else's business because "it's happening in the game". No.

 

[Audino]

But on that note, I think there should be something about e-lationships under the RL clause in the flameboard guidelines. If I missed it feel free to point it out to me. Otherwise handing out punishments for what most people wouldn't really think of as RL might seem kinda unfair.

I agree and I would be up for discussing something about that as well.

 

[Nycon]

Online dating/relationships have NOTHING TO DO with Final Fantasy XI. Just because two people are dating (and yes I used the term "dating", I don't care if you agree or not with that definition) and both happen to play FFXI doesn't magically make their relationship anyone else's business. It doesn't matter if they live in the same house or on different continents, it's still no one else's business. If you think "e-lationships" should be public concern, then by extension you're saying that people married rl and happen to play the game together should also be everyone else's business because "it's happening in the game". No.

I have no problem with this. Just you need to watch who you are sticking up for. The dude messed with other peoples personal lives just for shits and giggles. So quit being all shocked when it was used back at him. In-fact Just yesterday he brought up another RL relationship with regards to Blue. Mentioned her ex's name in chatbox and asked "how is so and so doing". He needs to stay out of peoples lives, and we'll stay out of his.

 

[jyakotsu]

I have no problem with this. Just you need to watch who you are sticking up for. The dude messed with other peoples personal lives just for shits and giggles. So quit being all shocked when it was used back at him. In-fact Just yesterday he brought up another RL relationship with regards to Blue. Mentioned her ex's name in chatbox and asked "how is so and so doing". He needs to stay out of peoples lives, and we'll stay out of his.

I think bringing up a name such as that crosses the line between concerned about relationship attacks, and being narcissistic. Just because he brings up a name shouldn't have any bearing whether or not he is attacking a relationship. If he said "Hey how is sex with so and so" that would be different. But no, it seems as though he said "So how is so and so"

 

[Nycon]

I think bringing up a name such as that crosses the line between concerned about relationship attacks, and being narcissistic. Just because he brings up a name shouldn't have any bearing whether or not he is attacking a relationship. If he said "Hey how is sex with so and so" that would be different. But no, it seems as though he said "So how is so and so"

He was provoking a response by using a RL relationship as his ammo.

 

[Linhjah]

I think bringing up a name such as that crosses the line between concerned about relationship attacks, and being narcissistic. Just because he brings up a name shouldn't have any bearing whether or not he is attacking a relationship. If he said "Hey how is sex with so and so" that would be different. But no, it seems as though he said "So how is so and so"

It was brought up to incite drama about the past relationship. It was not done with innocent intent or well wishing or anything. The comment, though seemingly offhand, was a deliberate flamebait and intended to hurt someone on a personal level.

 

[jyakotsu]

Mentioned her ex's name in chatbox and asked "how is so and so doing". He needs to stay out of peoples lives, and we'll stay out of his.

You said this.

He was provoking a response by using a RL relationship as his ammo.

Again, you are being too defensive. If he asks how so and so is doing, that isn't harassment that is different than the situations that I have gone through, and isn't really anything more than small talk towards someone you don't like.

 

[Rappa]

I have no problem with this. Just you need to watch who you are sticking up for. The dude messed with other peoples personal lives just for shits and giggles. So quit being all shocked when it was used back at him. In-fact Just yesterday he brought up another RL relationship with regards to Blue. Mentioned her ex's name in chatbox and asked "how is so and so doing". He needs to stay out of peoples lives, and we'll stay out of his.

I'm not "sticking up" for anyone. My post is very straightforward and applies to all users equally. I'm well aware of what you're referring to, have talked to him about it, and he's been punished for it. The target is irrelevant, my post is my opinion on "e-lationships" and how they should be looked at from QCDN's standpoint.

 

[jyakotsu]

It was brought up to incite drama about the past relationship. It was not done with innocent intent or well wishing or anything. The comment, though seemingly offhand, was a deliberate flamebait and intended to hurt someone on a personal level.

I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain either way. By the way Nycon was making it sound, it seemed as though it was something offhand and completely unrelated to the conversation at hand. In RL I've asked friends how exes are doing, its not really a big deal... Unless the person already doesn't like me... in which that is a completely different story. But again even if it was used to incite drama, I think that Nycon is over reacting on the issue.

And as a note his statement towards what Rappa had said totally proves my issue of him being defensive.

 

[bigbroon]

You said this.


Again, you are being too defensive. If he asks how so and so is doing, that isn't harassment that is different than the situations that I have gone through, and isn't really anything more than small talk towards someone you don't like.

Much as myself and Nycon/Blue have had our differences, I agree with them on this one. This is harassment. Both parties know that the comment is being used in a provocative manner.

1) It's using a RL name
2) It's talking about a RL relationship

I don't know who sent the message, but they knew they were sending it and why. They sent it as a RL dig, to provoke a reaction, which is against the rules. I don't think he's being too defensive at all.

 

[Linhjah]

You said this.


Again, you are being too defensive. If he asks how so and so is doing, that isn't harassment that is different than the situations that I have gone through, and isn't really anything more than small talk towards someone you don't like.

Did you see happen to see what took place in the Chatbox that day? Because it really wasn't just Jamal in there, trying to make small talk. The comment toward Frost was one of quite a few that got him banned from the Chatbox. This was before his sanctioned status was imposed. If his tone and intentions were innocent, he wouldn't have been banned from the Chatbox.

Edit:

I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain either way. By the way Nycon was making it sound, it seemed as though it was something offhand and completely unrelated to the conversation at hand. In RL I've asked friends how exes are doing, its not really a big deal... Unless the person already doesn't like me... in which that is a completely different story. But again even if it was used to incite drama, I think that Nycon is over reacting on the issue.

And as a note his statement towards what Rappa had said totally proves my issue of him being defensive.

Saw this post after I'd made the one above. <_>

As you may have gathered, I saw what took place in the Chatbox that day. It shouldn't be a suprise to anyone that Frost/Nycon aren't on, well, positive terms with Jamal. Any comment made about a past relationship would be that "completely different story".

 

[Nycon]

I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain either way. By the way Nycon was making it sound, it seemed as though it was something offhand and completely unrelated to the conversation at hand. In RL I've asked friends how exes are doing, its not really a big deal... Unless the person already doesn't like me... in which that is a completely different story. But again even if it was used to incite drama, I think that Nycon is over reacting on the issue.

And as a note his statement towards what Rappa had said totally proves my issue of him being defensive.

lol dude you have no idea what you are talking about. No you weren't there. So no need to comment. It's no secret that Jamal doesn't like me or most of my friends and that we've butted heads in the past. He purposely said what he did to get a response out of Blue or myself using a RL relationship. Linhjah couldn't have spelled it out any better.

I'm just saying that people need to know what Jamal has did in the past with regards to this situation, before they blinding stand up for the guy when it's used back at him.

I just want all the rules and punishments to be handed down equally to all parties that break them. Miro's and Make's posts said they handled it.

 

[jyakotsu]

I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain either way. By the way Nycon was making it sound, it seemed as though it was something offhand and completely unrelated to the conversation at hand.

Linh again, I said this. But like I said, the way he said it made it SEEM like what I read.

1) It's using a RL name
2) It's talking about a RL relationship

I don't know who sent the message, but they knew they were sending it and why. They sent it as a RL dig, to provoke a reaction, which is against the rules. I don't think he's being too defensive at all.

If this is the case, then certain people should have been banned from Rep comments as well as received infractions each time they said what they did towards me, which was used to incite a comment. Miros if you wish I can quote comments as well as list users if you wish. I will not here because it isn't a flameboard.

Did you see happen to see what took place in the Chatbox that day? Because it really wasn't just Jamal in there, trying to make small talk. The comment toward Frost was one of quite a few that got him banned from the Chatbox. This was before his sanctioned status was imposed. If his tone and intentions were innocent, he wouldn't have been banned from the Chatbox.

Either way, I'm glad that they are handling the Internet relationship thing.

 

[Linhjah]

Linh again, I said this. But like I said, the way he said it made it SEEM like what I read.

I saw that you said it after I'd made that last post. Sorry for the confusion. ; ;

 

[jyakotsu]

lol dude you have no idea what you are talking about. No you weren't there. So no need to comment. It's no secret that Jamal doesn't like me or most of my friends and that we've butted heads in the past. He purposely said what he did to get a response out of Blue or myself using a RL relationship. Linhjah couldn't have spelled it out any better.

I'm just saying that people need to know what Jamal has did in the past with regards to this situation, before they blinding stand up for the guy when it's used back at him.

I just want all the rules and punishments to be handed down equally to all parties that break them. Miro's and Make's posts said they handled it.

Don't throw shit back at me like you are above me. I am being fully civil here, and I have gone through similar crap. I have every right to post here which is why I am. Anything you are going through with Jamal, I've gone through tenfold with the 5 people that circle jerked over Skanya and I. So honestly don't even go there.

And IF you knew ANYTHING about myself and Jamal. We had a huge rocky past, try one more time before you start accusing me please? If anything we argued like cats and dogs.

I am posting here because I feel that there was some things that needed to be reiterated because OBVIOUSLY some of us didn't fully understand what you were saying.

 

[jyakotsu]

I saw that you said it after I'd made that last post. Sorry for the confusion. ; ;

Np, I was going to edit what I wrote, because after I hit submit I saw what you edited haha. Sorry for the double confusion >.<;

 

[bigbroon]

I've had a few things said to me in PM about my kids and about my wife. That's RL to me, but it didn't warrant bans/action as explained to me by a mod when I contacted them. My understanding of it was that "RL dig = Wrong." It was pointed out to me that RL dig = revealing RL info or something along those lines. It's a fuzzy subject, and one that requires a bit of clarification I think.

 

[Airou]

Also, if possible could Kotsu be given access to the Fantasy Football thread, kinda need him in there, easier to talk

 

[Audino]

Also, if possible could Kotsu be given access to the Fantasy Football thread, kinda need him in there, easier to talk

AIM or MSN?

 

[Grandphoenix]

or Yahoo / Myspace