Kye

[Archmage]

This is a post concerning an event that occurred in the Crawler's Nest. Kye was having a bad day, as we all were, and in frustration with another pull gone bad he used a scroll of instant warp and once in Jeuno he disbanded the entire party while we were still trying to fight the mobs. Now perhaps he shouldn't have done that, but given the way things were going and the mindset he was in (having a bad day and all) I can certainly understand him wishing to remove himself from further frustration, and it's entirely possible he didn't mean to disband the party, his desire for relief from the frustration just made him click disband without thinking. *shrugs*

However, after it happened I was pissed. Once we got those who fell raised the remaining people in the party (2 left for good after the chaos) and I returned to Jeuno to reform. In tells I chewed Kye up one side and down the other, and said some very mean things that I feel badly about. He expressed his frustration, and told me he was thinking of quitting the game anyway, and instead of being understanding of his feelings I just went off on him further, an action I am ashamed of having done.

Even worse I spent a little while in Jeuno shouting about what Kye had done and telling people never to party with him again. This was very vindictive of me, and something I shouldn't have done at all.

I sincerely hope that Kye doesn't quit the game, and is able to enjoy the game and have fun within it. I've been looking for him online and haven't found him yet. I really wish to apologize to him for my very immature and callous behavior. If you know Kye in the game please let him know I'm looking for him, and that I truly wish to make amends and apologize for my behavior.

I guess this post is a flame of myself for the behavior I exhibited during this event. I have learned something from it, and I only hope that lesson didn't come at the price of ruining another player's enjoyment of the game permanently.

 

[Trippyhippy]

to quote one of my favorite movies...

"Did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits he's wrong, he's immediately forgiven for all wrong-doings?"

"Man, get outta my face with that shit! The motherfucker who said that never had to pick up itty-bitty pieces of skull with his fingers on account of your dumb ass."

Did you have to pick up itty-bitty pieces of skull with your fingers on account of is dumb ass?

 

[ForteTeppo]

:O is this a self flame? I thought we couldnt do that anymore

 

[Bigboy]

Whenever someone acts like a jackass then says "I was thinking of quitting anyways." or anything revolving around quitting, go ahead and keep digging his grave. People like to say that shit as if it mattered. Don't feel bad about chewing him out and certainly don't feel bad if he quits. What the fuck kinda jackass brings that shit up when you are railing on him for being a retard?

I'll tell you: Someone looking for a scapegoat.

No reason to tell you he was thinking about quitting while you were pissed off at him other than to change the subject and make him lighten up on you. If he does quit and says it's because you were being mean to him, then he's a pussy and needs to get over himself.

Video game or not, you can compare this to someone saying they are gonna commit suicide if you keep yelling at them. It almost never has any baring on the conversation, but puts them back in the power seat and lets them feel more in control of the situation. Don't give in to bitch tactics.

 

[FleistLoC]

kye has been in my LS for about 6 months now . . . and has never showed signs of this type of behavior, though he has quit many times due to his RL situations. everyone has bad days, and this game is supposed to relieve stress, not give you more.

wasting time in a game for bad xp and/or event is justification enough to leave your party in hopes that you can find a new one. perhaps him leaving instantly was the wrong action to take - one which i believe contributes to your annoyance since it was you who spent the time to form and organize that party.

i'm glad u came to your senses and apologized, though i will discuss with him that he maybe partially at fault for not respecting your efforts as a party leader/organizer.

i played RNG with his WAR and I can say that he is an exceptional player who knows his job and can contribute much to any XP party. if i had been in his position, i would have left as well . . . any player spend loads of gil to xp and should not take any crappy party or they're wasting double time - the time it took to make the gil to xp, and the time they are in the xp party. in those situations, after giving the party a chance for 30 mins, i would have left myself.

just my 2 cents.

And to Bigboy . . . big words without thought make your comments worth nothing. you can't flame someone if you don't have the facts to support your arguement so i suggest u keep your flame to yourself. you weren't there in that party and you don't know kye. every story has 2 sides . . . kindly writen by the author of this thread. people without a level of compassion go nowhere.

now tell me that in your whole experience in FF, you've never did what kye did, and never left a party out of pure frustration. shut up hypocrite.

 

[Braydon]

1. NEVER leave fallen comrads. As a Paladin, I'm usually the first to die. But And I don't mind this as long as the party gets me a raise.
2. NEVER leave durring a fight. FleistLoC, xp sucking is no excuse to leave a party mid fight. If the exp sucked so bad, you should have left before. Thats just an excuse to bail on the party so you don't die, and that is being a chickenshit. Dying and losing xp is part of the game, and if you don't like that, go play WoW

Kye deserves his flaming.

 

[Braydon]

BTW- Fleist, I wasn't trying to flame you on the second part.

 

[FleistLoC]

kye was wrong for not giving enough time for the party to escape out before disbanding it. this i agree with.

might want to ask whether or not he expressed that he wished to disband the party before the pull . . . if not, rightfully so i agree with the above.

 

[Bigboy]

Do people think I am 5 or something?

And to Bigboy . . . big words without thought make your comments worth nothing. you can't flame someone if you don't have the facts to support your arguement so i suggest u keep your flame to yourself. you weren't there in that party and you don't know kye. every story has 2 sides . . . kindly writen by the author of this thread. people without a level of compassion go nowhere.

now tell me that in your whole experience in FF, you've never did what kye did, and never left a party out of pure frustration. shut up hypocrite.

I have never left a party out of frustration or for any reason other than my play time was up, or we were done for the night. Heed your own advice, dipshit.

I wasn't in the party, and I don't know Kye, but what is the point of a discussion board if no one is allowed to give their opinion based off the the experience written. There may be 2 sides to every story, but what justifies the side of the story I haven't heard over the side I had?

This is no mere issue of compassion either. I don't run around strangling puppies, but when someone tried to play mind games and manipulate people (as per the information provided to me) my bullshit detector goes off. And when it sounds like the person being manipulated starts falling for it, I'm gonna speak up. Would we be compassionate people to ignore the victim (OP) in favor of siding with some abstract guy being shown to bail from his party and giving in to his frustration, then giving a reason that actually has no connection to the event in question? Sounds like you want people to act like pussies and get stomped all over, rather than a level of compassion. These types of things work in both directions. You can't just say I lack compassion because you felt I was a little harsh.

It's your opinion and your welcome to it, but if you don't think I had a right to comment because I wasn't there, maybe you need to look at the meathod of which we are communicating here. A forum is the meathod chosen to discuss this event, and the forum composses more than the 6 people invovled. If other people weren't meant to get involved and voice their opinions based on the information given, then this shit should have been posted on a blog. Your argument towards me is probably the silliest shit I have read in a while. In flamming, we as a community, are meant to make that the original information, unless proven false or thrown into question by previous information, is true. In short: I believe what I am told unless a compelling arguement is made to show otherwise, by either the person who told me, or by others.

What the bolded sentence means in relation to this thread is that I will take Kye's OP, and make a response based solely off the information given. I had yet to be given reason why Kye's side of story was invalid. I respond assuming that the OP is not an asshat leaving out key pieces of information. If you want to march in here like you are on some kind of moral high ground and throw around cliche sayings like "There are 2 sides to every story." I have 2 words for you. DON'T BOTHER

 

[Bigboy]

I'll repeat myself incase you were dazzled by all those "big words" and forgot this tidbit.

I have never left a party out of frustration or for any reason other than my play time was up, or we were done for the night.

You go off at me about not knowing both sides of the story then make some rediculous accusation and have the nerve to call me a hypocrit? You sir, are an asshat.

 

[FleistLoC]

i'm so impressed that you can add up all the facts and come up with your own non-biased educated opinion about a person. my job, as any leader's job in an LS, is to stick up for their members in a situation as to preserve their reputation until they have the opportunity to defend him/herself. kye did not have such an opportunity as of yet and did not know about this flame, but people like you are so quick to judge and make comments.

i'm tired of seeing idiots make comments about a person and before even hearing the opposing side. you can smell bullshit . . . then smell your breath . . . cuz all i got from your original post was a bunch of unnecessary curse words toward a person who you didn't even care to hear out, based on one-sided information. what the heck does that make you then . . . a [insert word(s) here].

i called you a hypocrite, WOW! that must have hurt you pretty bad for you to use dipshit and asshat to describe me. kye didn't even post a defense and yet you believe he deserves being called fucking jackass, retard, and pussy. your posts herein speak volumes about the type of person you are, and i find it hard to believe that you are in any way a better character than Kye on any level.

i haven't heard about your rep on the server, or your name at all for that matter . . . but hey, if you can lead a pack of other idiots to believe your opinions about Kye, then fine . . . i'm sure they can smell the stench of your mouth from a mile away and follow it wherever you go.

i'll not post after this, not because, well . . . i usually stay away from idiots.

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For anyone else, please don't judge Kye's actions based on the above posts. He did speak with the original author of this flame and to my knowledge, it was chalked up to a misunderstanding. Kye thought the party was over since it was going so bad, and they discussed about disbanding the party before that last pull. He warped out not knowing someone had pulled some mobs and disbanded the party in ignorance.

 

[Bigboy]

I have to clarify that my original post had to do with the excuse he gave, not the situation as a whole. You seem to be under the assumption that I was flamming the fact he mpk'd his party, when in fact I was flamming his use of "I was thinking of quitting anyways" as an excuse for his actions.
(Why someone needs to make that kind of an excuse for a supposed accident leaves me suspicious as to wether it was an actual accident and not something said after the fact to placate the victims...)

Now as far as your discussion with me in this topic, you seem to have taken a general statement about people using that as an excuse and twisted it to fit some stupid agenda of yours. Re-read my first post and you can see that I never once mentioned names. You say you were defending your LS mate, but I never singled him out to begin with, I merely stated my frustration with people that use that phrase at innapropriate times as a scape goat.

I have found that through interacting with you on the boards you read what you want to read, and you type without thinking. You make childish declarations in an attempt at wit, and act as though you're defending a saint, when in reality you're attacking someone making a declarative statement reguarding the situation. I honestly think you just wanted to pick a fight. True, I continued it when I probably should have just left it as it was, but when you started making statements directed at me, I took it personally.

cuz all i got from your original post was a bunch of unnecessary curse words toward a person who you didn't even care to hear out, based on one-sided information.
I would be more than willing to have heard him out had he actually something to say. But my statement would still stand, as it wasn't aimed at him. The 1-side to my information would be personal experience, and I think thats a damn good source.

As far as my breath stinking and being an idiot, I can't fathom what would make you think your point gets accross using such childish insults. The "useless swearing" was used to emphasize my feelings on the subject and display how strongly negative my feelings are at that point in the sentence. But your insults are just nonesense tossed in as a hopeless rebuttle.

I still laugh at the fact you could actually type that I was a hypocrite when you were the one making assumptions, in a post chastizing me about supposedly making assumptions.

Honestly, if you don't have a decent grasp of the english language, lack reading comprehension, and are incapable of properly punctuating/forming a post, don't bother actually posting. It saves everyone time, and will help you save face.

 

[Dor]

You’re a condescending piece of shit. Who gives a crap about your thought processes during your post? Spare me the working mind of a 12 yr-old twat.

Seems this flame started out on someone admitting they were wrong for spouting shit shouts in jeuno and you’re sitting here sadly attempting to change this into a flame about fleist. I’ll change this shit into a flame about your dumbass, DIPSHIT. If crap happens in a party you don’t /shout it in jeuno, ya know why? Cuz no one gives a fuck, period point blank. What you do is you bring here so people like Smallboy have something to do while they’re recharging after shooting a load to male porn.

Fleist and Kye have been in my LS for a long time, and like HELL am I gonna sit here and read while some pathetic trash thrashes him for sticking up for an LS buddy. You wanna toss around prophanity bitch? Bring it! Your posts are nothing but redundant ramblings that do nothing but waste space. You go on to define “forum” and your rights to post. Bravo, you’re a genius, I’m glad you figured it out and want to share with us what you learned yesterday. I don’t care about you or your opinion. You can die tomorrow and I wouldn’t give a flying fuck. And dude, if you think the words in your posts are “big words” you really need to go back and finish kindergarten. I mean you think people are dazzled by your use of the word “the.” Asshole n00b.

 

[Isac]

/hugs dor

thus is the nature of the flameboard my friend, which is why i dont read any thread with more then 3 pages lol, its never anything about the original post ^^.

 

[Thnikkaman]

"Did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits he's wrong, he's immediately forgiven for all wrong-doings?"

Yeah, I agree with this. If you repent, God forgives you

 

[Bigboy]

You’re a condescending piece of shit. Who gives a crap about your thought processes during your post? Spare me the working mind of a 12 yr-old twat.

Seems this flame started out on someone admitting they were wrong for spouting shit shouts in jeuno and you’re sitting here sadly attempting to change this into a flame about fleist. I’ll change this shit into a flame about your dumbass, DIPSHIT. If crap happens in a party you don’t /shout it in jeuno, ya know why? Cuz no one gives a fuck, period point blank. What you do is you bring here so people like Smallboy have something to do while they’re recharging after shooting a load to male porn.

Fleist and Kye have been in my LS for a long time, and like HELL am I gonna sit here and read while some pathetic trash thrashes him for sticking up for an LS buddy. You wanna toss around prophanity bitch? Bring it! Your posts are nothing but redundant ramblings that do nothing but waste space. You go on to define “forum” and your rights to post. Bravo, you’re a genius, I’m glad you figured it out and want to share with us what you learned yesterday. I don’t care about you or your opinion. You can die tomorrow and I wouldn’t give a flying fuck. And dude, if you think the words in your posts are “big words” you really need to go back and finish kindergarten. I mean you think people are dazzled by your use of the word “the.” Asshole n00b.

You made an account to flame me? Sad.

Btw, the "big words" were first called that by Fliest. Honestly, I will never understand what compels a LS to come out in full defense of a person only to turn what might have tarnished 1 person's reputation into a thread displaying the negative sides of all the members instead. I had always thought you were more cool headed than that Dor, but maybe I struck to close to home and since Fliest said he wouldn't post anymore you felt the need to take up his defence. It is nice that you can actually write with punctuation and all that, so I can't complain about the switch over.

As far as who gives a crap what my thought process was durring my post... apparently not you guys. You've taken up a crusade to defend someone who didn't need defending, and when I try to explain that Fliest's comments towards my post held little relevence, I am suddenly struck with another barking poodle. Typically a cool headed person might take the time to ask "What do you mean by that?" Or "It sounded to me like you were a little rough on ___" Instead a post that was made because it related so closely to the OP, is immediately jumped on by fellow LS members and hilarity insues.

I've never had anything against you Dor, but it's questionable if you should have even bothered involving yourself. If all the members of your LS are going to jump on here and use straw man arguments like the following, this is going to get really boring.

Calling me a 12 year old in the first sentence of your thread. Insinuating that I'm gay in the 2nd paragraph. That I assumed "the" was a big word. Fliest comparing my player skill to Kye's.


None of these things matter, but they are brought up in an attempt to slander my name, and are based off of nothing. This is not name calling, this is a pathetic attempt to ruin the credibility of what I am saying. You can call it condescending, but I call it conciese expression of my feelings on the matter. I am not going to bother typing something if I can't type it out in full expressing my fulls on the matter. If Fliest was holding back something that would have made his post relevent, he should have brought it up. Unfortunetly I just got a nonsensical defence of some guy I wasn't flaming.

Since I am left with little else to say to you, as you post held little actual content, I have a question. Not trying to be mean, but when does you LS actually do stuff? For months strait I saw you and Fliest sitting in the same spot in Jeuno doing nothing. I mean, I have never actually seen either of you move from that spot! >.>; That is a question I have had since well before this flameboard discussion began.

 

[Phraust]

my job, as any leader's job in an LS, is to stick up for their members in a situation as to preserve their reputation until they have the opportunity to defend him/herself. kye did not have such an opportunity as of yet and did not know about this flame, but people like you are so quick to judge and make comments.

Sorry. Minor gripe about this statement. Your Job as a LS leader and as a human being is to constantly be aware of the actions of your asscoiates, and to audit them accordingly. Just cause somone in your social sphere is accepted by you, doesn't make em an angel by any means. Defending his character, is your duty as a fiend however, and is ok in an argument, but you must limit that as simply circustantial at best, and NOT fact. Although an opinon on one's charater is about as effective in an arguement as saying "Because I said so." or "Hitler was a nice guy because he had a girlfriend, there's no way he could be that bad." which makes people defend thier opinions so vehement as you have illustrated in your dialogue with Bigboy. (Who btw slices open kittens and uses thier entrails as lubrication to masterbate with. But he's a good guy...) That's just a minor thing to make sure you or anyone else reading this doesn't end up defending a Hitler in thier lives...

And Bigboy, although you never DIRECTLY pointed the finger at anyone, the fact that you decided to post in this thread rather than make another makes it an idirect accusation through the avenue of Situational Relevance. Just as there is a Straw man, think of it as the flip side of that coin.

And Dor, seriously nothign against you in the least, and as I am trying to be as unbiased as I can, calling Bigboy an Idiot(in more words) when he writes in a clear concise and well educated manner is extremely amusing, and of most of the posts on forum in general, Bigboy's are never, in my opinion a waste. It's always nice to read something above a 4th grade level of comprehension.

Cheers

 

[Dor]

Yes, I was trying to slander you. I owe you nothing, and don't waste my time even reading your posts because my time is way to valuable for such. I skim and pull what I like and I will have no problem slandering again and again.

 

[Bigboy]

I owe you nothing, and don't waste my time even reading your posts because my time is way to valuable for such.

Aparently not.