Leaders/Members of Effortless Dynamis may want to step up.

Kire said:
Cythe you did come on very bad there ; ; hope you and other Ls work something out as your coming out as the bad guy right now.

Not really, "work something out" would be to respect the schedualing, and realizing loldynamis has that zone today, cythe has -every- right to disrespect their ls's schedual by solo taking a zone for 1.5hrs if that shell disrespects cythe's linkshell by not obeying the schedual.
 
If the LS can only do the time they do you can not just say "fuck off my zone" etc every one has equal rights.

But he does post on QCDN that he wants that time, all fair but the other guy never read on here. If you call a GM they can do nothing as that LS has 100% right to enter at the time they did as they say "First come first serve".
 
he posted the time, the zone, everyone agreed. it was about as much his zone as you can get.
 
But the other guy did not know about that and he had a right to go in then, wish they did it like that hotel thing when you can book it 1 week in advance
 
Word of the wise Cythe, being a dick will get you dicked. You may be right but being so durastic of the situation may cause you more problems than if you'd be a little less E-peen. Problem > Chat (in-game, what a concept) > (fix) everyones good *if necessary* (more problems) > then be a douche.
 
Strid said:
Word of the wise Cythe, being a dick will get you dicked. You may be right but being so durastic of the situation may cause you more problems than if you'd be a little less E-peen. Problem > Chat (in-game, what a concept) > (fix) everyones good *if necessary* (more problems) > then be a douche.
Except... he's being perfectly reasonable, realistic, and polite about it.
More than I would have been, and probably more than others would be. It's not being a douche to suggest doing something everyone else has the courtesy to do to keep toes from being stepped on.
 
Why not LS go in 30-1hr early and cythe ls go in 30-1hr later then all is fair
 
Some people can't alter schedules so fluidly.. if they go in at 8:15 and finish.. whenever Dynamis ends thats a static time.. people set schedules to that. I think Cythe is 100% right here.
 
Windy said:
Some people can't alter schedules so fluidly.. if they go in at 8:15 and finish.. whenever Dynamis ends thats a static time.. people set schedules to that. I think Cythe is 100% right here.
other ls might not be able to so there comes a problem
 
Kire said:
other ls might not be able to so there comes a problem

The other LS changed their start time. It's pretty obvious it's fluid.
 
dedalius said:
The other LS changed their start time. It's pretty obvious it's fluid.

they're new they can do whatever they want, older shells has members who plan around "3-4hours of dynamis" and plan stuff right before and right after, people who have to sleep, and etc.. it is not fair to mess up their entire scheduals for something like that.
 
Daveman said:
they're new they can do whatever they want, older shells has members who plan around "3-4hours of dynamis" and plan stuff right before and right after, people who have to sleep, and etc.. it is not fair to mess up their entire scheduals for something like that.
also not fair to tell a LS to go away, disband etc because they got into a area first. In end its first come first serve sounds mean but true
 
Kire said:
also not fair to tell a LS to go away, disband etc because they got into a area first. In end its first come first serve sounds mean but true
At no point did Cythe say "disband or go away" he said to respect the schedule that's been used for months now or to pick a different time with less conflicts. And in reality, the older shell does deserve to have the right of way in that instance, because as Daveman said the older shell has organized their schedule around that time; whereas the new shell is obviously less structured if they can change times by that much and expect to keep up attendance. It's by far easier for a fledgling shell to change times than it is for a linkshell that's been running for months on end; so expecting the established linkshell to just "change times to when they can go" is unreasonable and down right foolish.
 
dedalius said:
The other LS changed their start time. It's pretty obvious it's fluid.

I'm in lolDynamis, I plan things according to that enter time and the later I go, the less sleep I get for my early mornings on Tuesdays. Sure that may not sound like a big thing, but trust me, the difference between 5 hours of sleep and 3 hours is HUGE. I don't mind the 5 hours, I prefer short bursts of sleep.

If you are going to start up a shell, be nice to those who came before you and they'll be nice to you. We have a set schedule we have kept to for almost 6 months now, and they come to intrude upon it. Pick a less populated day, or don't be a dick. Check the goddamn calender and be happy for the opportunity :rtfm:
 
For the record, I agree with the fact that the new shell should move their time. If they plan on playing with the big boys, they should play by the big boys' rules.
 
dedalius said:
For the record, I agree with the fact that the new shell should move their time. If they plan on playing with the big boys, they should play by the big boys' rules.
big boys dont have rules :3
 
dedalius said:
For the record, I agree with the fact that the new shell should move their time. If they plan on playing with the big boys, they should play by the big boys' rules.
Big boy's is a negative connotation, the rules we've made is meant to be mutally benifical to every ls and to avoid zone hogging, and having to resort to tatics such as bombing an hourglass to take zone.

To kire, if it's first come first serve, then cythe can go use his glass to reserve the zone if he wants, it's not like it's a free glass, they're putting up 1million gil an established shell can find more easily than a new linkshell. The whole point of the system is to make dynamis more relaxed in terms of politics with other shells. With the exception of a jpshell who refuses to make scheduals or play fair, my shell has never run into another shell trying to take enter a zone at the same time as us despite the varying number of shells that run on the same days as us
 
I do love that the leader of the other LS thinks LolDynamis enters soo late from our time we want to enter :P that's funny to me. We always enter on time or at most 15 minutes late cause we don't like entering so late. We have schedules to think of, our own and others in the shell. Our time was set that worked for people, hell, some members can barely stay until 10pm EST or 10:30pm EST so we usually are able to get the win (if going for it) before than so they get their win and a shot at AF2 before they have to go off to bed or whatnot. We enter at 8pm EST and we are usually out around 11:30 maybe midnight (depending on the zone). Just, don't assume lolDynamis enters so late as another shell might or don't think the members will be sitting happily for an hour to an hour and half while your LS is in the zone. This board has been up for months, the schedule has been up for weeks (well one week in this case) so there was time to see this. Cythe pointed out the problem a good while in advance for there to be something done. But it seems right now that you are gonna go ahead with entering at the earlier time and screwing over about 45 people's schedule (maybe more maybe a bit less but on average about 45 last I knew). I don't mind you on monday/friday if you are gonna work with the LSs that are there now. Kire and Shaunessy obviously have no concept of dynamis or they wouldn't say as they are.. They are the only two fighting saying that it's wrong to use the calendar that's been in effect for several months now thanks to Arturus' hard work and the mature communication and compromises of the current LS leaders. Seriously.. there's no need for either side to be uncivilized or rude about things. Now, true you're a new LS and the zones are already taken all but windy that you could do. I'd suggest Cythe move us to Beaucedine since that's not taken and we can take that zone but I think Cythe was trying to get jeuno win for new members and is thinking about them. I can't say for sure.. I haven't been playing in a good 2 months almost. Now, you should have done more research really.. and saw how many LSs were already running then. It's been 4 LSs for a good month or so now even though Limitless and Loveless (as far as I can tell) are usually the ones posting in the dynamis schedule the most but the other two have been posting their schedules or at least PMing them cause they are up there now. I'm not saying gtfo... but I am saying you should have done a bit more research on things.. and if this is really the best time..hmm

actually.. looking at things.. you could do bastok ok if you are able to beat it in 2-2 and half hours (entirely possible, pretty easy zone). You really enter at 7 and you can make it in time before 9:30 when another LS (Aequitas) wants to do it. Just a heads up. Since you are new I'm sure you are more concerned with wins for members, I know that was my concern when I started lolDynamis up and that's why I didn't care too much about farming (though it was nice to get AF2 and such for members). So.. ya.. try and work something out... and if you really wanna be uncivilized about it.. than you're just gonna ruin your reputations and other LSs won't care about being civilized to you.
 
Kire said:
Why not LS go in 30-1hr early and cythe ls go in 30-1hr later then all is fair

Because Kire no all of us can stay late and work our schedules around this. No matter what you try to make an excuse for its simple. The other shells leadership needs get with the program. we all work together here. There is no excuess to not read teh schedule and try to work with us not against us.

many of us work late nights and have to go in right as dynamis is over so your solution of going in later doesnt work and why should we have to? We followed the agreed procedure and "booked" this zone and let the other shells know well in advance if anyhting the other shell should go in early or not at all
 
Then what happens when there are same about of LSes as are zones then say 2 of those can not do northlands and both need wins in one area but all those areas are booked, makeing two LSes lose out, when you could just move two
Lses up 2 weeks and so they do Northlands and the two new LSes get there wins etc. That was only an example btw.
What you do then just tell the LSes try again next month when the next time sch goes up?
 
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