Leaders/Members of Effortless Dynamis may want to step up.

[Kire]

Exactly, in Cythe's OP, they obviously knew about the scheduling conflict and chose to try to screw lolDynamis out of jeuno instead of move or reschedule. Then, they later posted that they didn't know, an obvious lie, but they still kept their run at the same time, which pushed lolDynamis back. They knew in advance they were doing the wrong thing, and still chose to do it, so trying to argue that they're the good guys in any way is ludicrous. Lavi's throwing out anything he can to make Cythe and lolDynamis the villain here, when it's blindingly obvious that it's effortless and it's leaders.

but QCDN posts are law though thats the thing

 

[Lavi]

maybe that's why loldynamis was doing jeuno to get the last few new members access to northlands. If that's the only starter city needed than that makes sense. Since this is a new shell the chances are that the majority of their LS needs all the starter cities still. And they could have gone to bastok (easiest of them all) at the 6:30 time they were changing to and not screwed with any LS as much as they did with lolDynamis. They would have had almost 3 hours in dynamis without interfering with another LS opposed to 1 hour. They chose to go from entering an hour after to an hour earlier than lolDynamis so they could get the zone, it's pretty obvious.. and it's an asshole thing to do. No offense.. but I really would wish this upon lavi, kire, shaunessy, and others and see how nice it is to be on that side. There was NO ATTEMPT.. NO EFFORT from them to work it out. WHAT DO YOU NOT GET?! DO YOU NEED ME TO MAKE THESE WORDS BIGGER SO YOU CAN GET THEM BETTER? hehe... jeeze..

edit: by the way.. kire, shaunessy, lavi, etc.. those that are taking this stance.. since you are like this.. I'm sure you'll have no problem if I get on and.. oh.. solo mobs around the area you are leveling a low level job on? Or maybe an MPK attempt wouldn't bother you so much? Or perhaps if I was to go buy an hourglass, go to dynamis zone before your LS, and enter and just sit there for an hour, that won't bother you right? it's entirely in my rights right? Or if a mob goes yellow I can take it from you just cause I can right? Or maybe I'll go up and piss off your sky LS now and then just cause it'll make me laugh.. go solo Ulli for an hour or so even if you've been camping it for ages. I think I'll go right on ahead and do that, and if you bitch, you're a hypocrit.

Ele, you are completely missing the point. Like I stated, I don't like that Effortless did this anymore than you do. It sets a precedence that is good for no one. Not you, not Cythe, not me, not even themselves. If I had the choice, I'd rather it didn't happen this way, but it did. If I was in your shoes or Cythe's, I'd be pissed too. But the point still stands, you don't own the zone. It doesn't mean what they didn't wasn't an asshole thing to do especially if they knew about the schedule and did nothing to work it out for everyone. But to sit here and suggest that they are morally wrong is mistaken. This site is just a tool we use and by no means a guideline which everyone is forced to follow. To you, that schedule may mean everything, but to them, it apparently did not. In the future when they realize they cannot go around doing this, I am sure they will understand it's not acceptable by the community standards, but by no means does this community have any standard on which I am forced to abide by. It's my choice just as it's your choice to follow any schedule. Granted, I and lolDynamis find it works and will help making things easier for the entire server. Unfortunately, Effortless didn't feel the same way, but who am I to tell them to rethink that position?

 

[Halifirien]

but QCDN posts are law though thats the thing

No, but they can certainly carry the force of law if enough people decide to enforce them.

 

[Elemmire]

seriously.. Kire.. do you want me to get on and just start fucking with your exp or game play? Who's to stop me? I could make it look like I'm just having fun my way so a GM won't stop me. According to Lavi I don't need to be courteuous. There was an attempt at communication and Effortless did nothing to work things out, wasted their time, exp, and money, and wasted the time of 52 other people not even of their LS. It could have been avoided if they worked things out.

 

[Lavi]

Taking into the consideration that they moved their entry time up after finding out that another shell intended on entering before their original stated time, and that they have since signed onto the board, and that they also posted on the board for recruitment, I would say that the chances that they don't frequent the forums are very low.

I think you are mistaken on the meaning of frequent. I mean they come here often checking all the sections and threads. Of course they came here at one time and started recruitment on the LS forum; however, that doesn't mean they frequented the boards. I can make a single thread for recruitment, set up the forums to PM me with any responses and occasionally check my PMs and the thread to contact those people in game.

 

[Kire]

No, but they can certainly carry the force of law if enough people decide to enforce them.

So mob rules?

i am just seeing this as in the new LSs eyes, i like the current system on QCDN works well but for these new LSs it sucks lol.

 

[Lavi]

No, but they can certainly carry the force of law if enough people decide to enforce them.

You know as well as I do, that will never happen.

 

[Elemmire]

it doesn't suck for the new LSs.. all they have to do is come here and talk things out. It's not really that hard.. they just have to propose their schedule, if there's a conflict they find the LS(s) they have the problem with and they work it out with that(those) LS(s). And yes.. that's actually how the rules of the world were made, mob rules. It's always been mob rules in life. If the community has a problem with the actions of a few or one than the community will punish the person or group. It'd be the same with this community. The community set rules and standards, as communities do, and they work together to enforce the rules usually. If they see a group or one breaking the rules, than, if the community chooses, they could work together and block them out of their enjoyment in the game. It wouldn't be that hard if the 5 or so other LSs work together against the one. That's a few hundred people working against say.. 40ish. That means they could, with less bother to their schedule, hamper the event of the other people. It might not be a nice way or civil way to do things (most punishments aren't) but it's a way of showing the other group that their original actions of being uncivil won't stand with everyone.

You know as well as I do, that will never happen.

I thought you've been playing for a long time.. hehe.. you should have seen that there are times that LSs would band together (even LSs of different nationalities) to punish a LS that has been acting in the wrong for awhile. That's usually where the MPK wars came about..hehe

 

[Stouter]

Now, Meastoso posted his concerns on the dynamis scheduling board and wanted to express his concerns that something like this would happen. Now did anyone even once stop to consider (especially considering not once did anyone from Effortless ever respond to Meastoso's original post) that maybe they don't read or frequent the forums?

Try and post a reply to Meastoso's thread. Only two representatives from each dynamis shell have access to post on that forum, while everyone can read it. The fact that members of a new shell didn't post there doesn't mean they didn't read it.

 

[Lavi]

In those cases it was a small group compared the entire server. A couple of LS =/= a server. If people were able to group together so easy, we could take care of gil selling/buying, thief's who steal items, and other various things. We just can't ever get the entire server to agree on anything. Even if you attempted to, there is always someone who will disagree solely for the purpose of disagreeing.

 

[Bajaratt]

In those cases it was a small group compared the entire server. A couple of LS =/= a server. If people were able to group together so easy, we could take care of gil selling/buying, thief's who steal items, and other various things. We just can't ever get the entire server to agree on anything. Even if you attempted to, there is always someone who will disagree solely for the purpose of disagreeing.

That kinda seems to be your position throughout this thread, glad to have that cleared up.

 

[Lavi]

Try and post a reply to Meastoso's thread. Only two representatives from each dynamis shell have access to post on that forum, while everyone can read it. The fact that members of a new shell didn't post there doesn't mean they didn't read it.

They can easily PM for access and they didn't exactly respond to this thread much either.

 

[Lavi]

That kinda seems to be your position throughout this thread, glad to have that cleared up.

Sadly, if you weren't such an idiot, you'd have noticed I agreed with you. :nono: I am; however, stating your position isn't law, those schedules aren't set in stone. I am just saying they haven't technically done anything wrong. The zone is there and was free, they took it. Just like a mob is free claim, so is dynamis according to SE. You want to change that, send the development team a suggestion.

 

[Rhaddy]

Sadly, if you weren't such an idiot, you'd have noticed I agreed with you. :nono: I am; however, stating your position isn't law, those schedules aren't set in stone. I am just saying they haven't technically done anything wrong. The zone is there and was free, they took it. Just like a mob is free claim, so is dynamis according to SE. You want to change that, send the development team a suggestion.

:roll: :roll: :roll: are you done?

 

[Elemmire]

Sadly, if you weren't such an idiot, you'd have noticed I agreed with you. :nono: I am; however, stating your position isn't law, those schedules aren't set in stone. I am just saying they haven't technically done anything wrong. The zone is there and was free, they took it. Just like a mob is free claim, so is dynamis according to SE. You want to change that, send the development team a suggestion.

and, guess what, no law is actually set it stone or forced upon people. So what? people still follow them and obey them, Usually cause of the fear of the punishment.. but still..

 

[Bajaratt]

Sadly, if you weren't such an idiot, you'd have noticed I agreed with you. :nono: I am; however, stating your position isn't law, those schedules aren't set in stone. I am just saying they haven't technically done anything wrong. The zone is there and was free, they took it. Just like a mob is free claim, so is dynamis according to SE. You want to change that, send the development team a suggestion.

Yeah, you're just calling the people who are working with others so that everyone benefits selfish. While there's technically nothing wrong with it, just like stealing a HNM that goes unclaimed for a split-second is "technically" ok according to SE, the immorality of it is obvious. You're saying that despite how morally wrong it was, how they're ignoring everyone else for their own benefit, how they screwed over 50+ people last night, that it's still perfectly ok for them to act that way? And you're calling me the idiot too. :wacko:

 

[Kire]

Yeah, you're just calling the people who are working with others so that everyone benefits selfish. While there's technically nothing wrong with it, just like stealing a HNM that goes unclaimed for a split-second is "technically" ok according to SE, the immorality of it is obvious. You're saying that despite how morally wrong it was, how they're ignoring everyone else for their own benefit, how they screwed over 50+ people last night, that it's still perfectly ok for them to act that way? And you're calling me the idiot too. :wacko:

baj if you lose a HNM for 1 second that LS sucks have 1 person spam dia during the fight is easy enough

and, guess what, no law is actually set it stone or forced upon people. So what? people still follow them and obey them, Usually cause of the fear of the punishment.. but still..

those are set on paper the first rights etc they are law people voted for them every single person who was legaly allowed to vote did so

 

[sirivalin]

While some peeps in this thread, state repeatedly that courtesy is not required and should not be expected. The schedule was going long before these jerks came about. I say, if you want to run against the older shells, and not cooperate…not be courteous…then don’t come crying, when you quickly find yourself not able to do any Dynamis on those nights. Just as you want to be a dick in an xp pt, don’t keep expecting invites. Courtesy in an online goes a long way…. And it has gone a long way out the door over the months. I say it’s high time we teach these newbs (i.e. the utter retards currently occupying much of the dunes, qufim, Jungles, but that’s another thread), and Dynamis newbs courtesy…in the way of an iron fist.

Just some thoughts for the established linkshells….some players have multiple accounts…some use a 2nd account to hold an hourglass. Or…some of you may have friends not yet doing Dynamis, but still lvl 65+ and Rank 6, and done the cut scenes. Yeah, it’ll up your cost a little for a Dynamis run. But have them have a Timeless Hourglass on hand. This new ls trys to gather for a zone your going to do soon…have them jump right in front of them, instant 1 hour delay. Then ya’ll can gather and get ready. Unless they are gonna spam trade to Trail Markings (easy to block), then you’ll be all good, cause you know when said person inside is kicked before it updates in the zone list. You could even split the extra cost of keeping the “Dickhead be gone” Hourglass over the whole ls.

Everyone says lets play nice, let us try to resolve this without drama. I don’t know where ya’ll grew up, but I always thought, no matter where you were from, some new kid shows up on your playground flexing his nuts, he gets the shit kicked outa him.

So get to it!

 

[dedalius]

baj if you lose a HNM for 1 second that LS sucks have 1 person spam dia during the fight is easy enough



those are set on paper the first rights etc they are law people voted for them every single person who was legaly allowed to vote did so

First, it's very common to lose claim for split seconds. Even with DOT on it.

Second, it's rare for voter turnout rates to get over even 50%.

 

[Halifirien]

A couple of LS =/= a server.

I'm not implying the entire server would have to be involved, but the 5-6 linkshells who normally run at that hour and would potentially be inconvenienced by their lack of courtesty could certainly run them out of that time slot if they refused to play nice and you know it.