Lets stop the JP MPK NA! Are you fucking joking!? [~M~]

D

darkenatrocity

Chocobo Licensed
Adventurer
Joined
Feb 21, 2005
Messages
50
Location
Within all that the darkness touches
How in the fucking hell are we suppose to do this:

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=7499 (i understand this was a request by Konartist but if you read it the request thread got more into "NA band together for a huge NA HNM LS not for shits n giggles, but to stop the JP control over HNMs and MPK")

When all "we" (NA) seem to fucking do:

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=8114 (i undestand this deals with a NM not HNM but it does help prove my point)

*yes I understand this is an isolated problem, but from reading the other people who posted on Proph's thread NA MPK NA more than we all will admit*

If you dont understand what I mean I will put it in simple terms.

If all we do is BITCH at each other, MPK each other:
How the fuck are we suppose to band together
to stop the JP MPK NA!? I am serious NA players in general amazes me so much.

*the start of it*
1. JP MPK NA
2. Bitch about the JP tactics
*a good idea*
4. Lets band together to stop this JP MPK NA shyt
5. Everyone loves the idea and wants to help
*caution this is where "we" (NA) lose it*
6. NA MPK NA
7. Bitch back and forth like "we" (NA) are greatly known for
*finally*
8. GET FUCKING NO WHERE CLOSE TO THE GOAL OF STOPPING JP MPK NA AND TAKE CONTROL OF CERTAIN OR ALL OF THE HNMS
*repeat steps 1-7 infinitely*

So, please enlighten me on:
How the fuck are we suppose to stop the JP when we cant even handle the issues between ourselves?

I say we should do this:

1. Lets get "our" (NA) shyt together
2. Actually band together and NOT do this stupid NA MPK NA bullshyt

WE SERIOUSLY NEED TO GET OUR SHYT IN ORDER BEFORE WE ATTEMPT TO STOP THE JP!

*I tell how I see it and if you got a damn problem with it then go lay an egg*

**As for Proph's thread I dont know any of the conflicting parties within the thread or the incident and this flame has no opinions from me on "who I think is right or wrong" I just took the thread and basically simplified it and applied it to the basic message of this thread**
 
This whole thing is fucking stupid.

First off, the starter of the HNM LS post, Konartist, is already written off in my book as a stupid Anti-Japanese racist. If we really were going to band together as one LS, would it be the wisest of choices for someone like that to lead us?
Secondly, we don't want to band together against the Japanese, we want to band together against people who are cheaters. Some NA cheat, some JP cheat, why does it have to be racial? The only thing that seems biased against us is that the GMs seem to favor the JP. Simply put, consider using GM favoritism a form of cheating, and add whatever LS do it to the anti-list.
The whole concept that we should just assume all JP are dicks and MPK the crap out of them is childish and I highly doubt anyone could organize an LS around that.
 
I don't know the statistics in this game for certain. But from what i see by using /sea all, I gather there is more JP's than NA's in this game. And alot of them (not all) are more than willing to play jp only.

And if this is true that we are the minority of the population. For us to have a fair chance from things to come, we should band together. Again I don't know for certain, but how many of you are participants in jp linkshells? How many of you commuicate well in them? HOw many of you that are in jp linkshells get a fair share of the benefits?

These facts alone, (if i'm right) are a reason enough to say not NA but english speaking players should band together, to get things done for themselves.

THis whole game is about grouping, and working together. The bigger the group you can work in, the more friends you have, the more things are possible, all the better.
 
First off. JP Only and MPKing are not in the same league. While it may be true many Japanese will seek Japanese only(not all), most Japanese do not MPK.

You are using the same justification they do for the JP Only in the first place. If most NA don't use food, they won't PT with any NA. So you want to dish it back at them, even though the only Japanese who'll really be hurt are the ones who give a damn what NA think of them?

And no one sees a problem with this?

Banding together is not the best way to get ahead, anyway. The best way to get ahead, is to be successful with the fewest possible players. If we all banded together we'd all get jack shit for a reward for actually killing the NMs.

So I ask the question again, why discriminate? Can you really argue it's justifiable? I'm not saying, bend over and take it. I'm just saying, attack the Japanese who are guilty, and leave the rest alone. And then, attack the NA who are guilty too. Don't say, we should be ignoring the NA MPKers and letting it slide cause we have a greater threat. That's bullshit.
 
I think what he means by banding together and what you mean are different. YOur thinking small scale, he is thinking grander scale, you group, him community.

What he means is that if you see a English speaking team getting mpked you help them out, if you see a english speaking team camping "try" not to counter camp them etc...... Make your negotiations with other english speaking teams, and if anyone gets jacked (which will happen) make sure its a JP team. Counter camp the JP team since they are NOT in your precieved group.

If they MPK you then all english speaking players should MPK them, you MPK one you MPK us all, you steal from 1 you steal from us all. And most of all his point was to stop all the fighting between us (a good dream ^^).

What he wants is for english speaking players as a group to advance and from what i gather from what you all say, is that we are not as as advanced as the jp's, and seeing that they do not want us included, how else are you going to advance?

As for your last paragraph. This is what we are doing now. Its happening right now, you can see it for yourself on this board. Attacking everyone you "think" is your enemy does not help english speaking players as a whole now does it? I ask you isn't it time for a change?

This is more about competition than about discrimination, because we are trying to get something done. If you want to get something done, and the other group tries thier best to stop you, what do you do?

You can of course go and try to be the nice guy and say "not all Jp's are like this don't be racist". But do you see more jp's trying to be cool nowdays with english speaking players or do you see more jp's trying to be cool with other jp's and not playing with english speaking players? It's a group thing and you have to recognize that.
 
First off, justification for MPK is an advantage. If you MPK them, you get the claim. You get the drop. If you have justification, I say go for it. Starting a MPK war is justification. If they start it with your LS, or another NA LS, or another JP LS, MPK the crap out of them. They have become the bad guys, and therefore you have justification. What does it matter what race they are?
The problem isn't that we're not banded together, the problem is we're chicken shit. I see a group camping with Ailove, I say, MPK them. I don't need to wait for them to start shit with me, I KNOW Ailove is a MPK. There's my justification right there.
This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with people waiting til they're strike before they strike. Or even worse, people getting struck and then trying to make peace. Then you get walked over and blame it on race?

I'll give you guys a hint here, EVERY NM LS should have a lvl 1 THF mule or 2 at every NM spawn. If any MPKer, JP or NA gets the claim, log on mule and MPK the fuck out of them.

If you want results, fucking do something. Don't sit around at home and bitch about race like it's a big fucking surprise Falazure MPKs. That's what he does. quit fucking trying to deal with him, then when he bites you in the ass blame all Japanese.
 
I have no problem with most JP players actually... Asahina, Riese, and Lucifar and the people that usually associate with them are the people I have problems with.. they seem to be the MPK stealing assholes... Efrost might control Fafnir.. but he's really not that bad a guy. He has given lots of people not in his LS a chance at the item they want from Fafnir (after people in his LS first.. but that's a given.. LS members first). Serise I've heard people having problems with.. but other than that one Behemoth fight where they were skilling up on it and then someone called for help.. I've seen nothing bad... and I believe the one that called for help was Asahina when she was in his LS... (I believe she was kicked out sometime ago for her actions). Shiu claims Lucifar doesn't seem to like Stealing or MPKing unless you did it to him first... I guess it seems to be somewhat true because NotoriusHunters has beaten Lucifar to Adamantoise claim before.. Lucifar's group sat and watched the fight.. we won.. congrats around.. and that was about it. I agree with Firestreak on this one... let's not blaim the JP (though I know I've posted in the past where I seem anti-Japanese.. but I'm not.. I just complain about the fucktards that keep doing cheap shit -_-). Anyways.. if we were to create one big organization.. I'd say we work WITH the JP that don't act like asses as well as the NA that don't act like asses... and if we make sure to control members than there should be little problem.
 
darkatrocity, you need to calm down. Just as some NA players have grudges, as do the JP players. Its not that we don't get along, its that we aren't on at the time the NM pops (because of stalling that occurs). Please don't start calling everyone whinning bitches etc.

1) People like you create the grudges by calling people names.
2) You know nothing about HNMs, so don't try to say shit like this.

Stop saying one thing then doing another.
 
Darkdante said:
I think what he means by banding together and what you mean are different. YOur thinking small scale, he is thinking grander scale, you group, him community.

What he means is that if you see a English speaking team getting mpked you help them out, if you see a english speaking team camping "try" not to counter camp them etc...... Make your negotiations with other english speaking teams, and if anyone gets jacked (which will happen) make sure its a JP team. Counter camp the JP team since they are NOT in your precieved group.

If they MPK you then all english speaking players should MPK them, you MPK one you MPK us all, you steal from 1 you steal from us all. And most of all his point was to stop all the fighting between us (a good dream ^^).

What he wants is for english speaking players as a group to advance and from what i gather from what you all say, is that we are not as as advanced as the jp's, and seeing that they do not want us included, how else are you going to advance?

As for your last paragraph. This is what we are doing now. Its happening right now, you can see it for yourself on this board. Attacking everyone you "think" is your enemy does not help english speaking players as a whole now does it? I ask you isn't it time for a change?

This is more about competition than about discrimination, because we are trying to get something done. If you want to get something done, and the other group tries thier best to stop you, what do you do?

You can of course go and try to be the nice guy and say "not all Jp's are like this don't be racist". But do you see more jp's trying to be cool nowdays with english speaking players or do you see more jp's trying to be cool with other jp's and not playing with english speaking players? It's a group thing and you have to recognize that.
Click to expand...

At first i was thinking it was that all the NA needed to band togetehr against JP, but its not that at all. Its all the non assholes need to band against the assholes, no matter of race.

If you see another NA ls camping a NM, fuck it go camp it too. I don't mind one NM or HNM being camped by more than one ls, its just how it this goes. I do mind when an ls gets mad they lost their claim so they resort to cheating.

I read a post here a while ago that had a JP player explain why most JP do a JP only. The main reason was the language barrier. Although there are those asshole JPs that just have it cause they are racist. Don't group all JP into one category.
 
Missing the point of the post. And that is the complaint that NA or english parties are weaker than their JP counterparts. The OP suggested as it has been in the past, why not band together.

Why not?
 
Your right I don't understand all the complaining i see on these boards and when something is suggested its blown out of the water. I know all of you say its wrong this and wrong that to group all jp together. If we had groups of people that were mixed, say a linkshell full of people from either cultures then ya, i'd say your right. But being "racist" and competing against a group of people who stick together are two different things.

I"ve already seen Nasya called a traitor and taking ti up the azz on these boards for working with the jp groups, this is another side to the same coin. Of trying to get English speaking players together, but then I guess thats a fools dream.
 
Darkdante said:
then I guess thats a fools dream.
Click to expand...

As sad as it is, that is basicaly the state of things. The JPN HNM LSs are organized highly coordinated things with first rate bots. The Na HNM LSs are just like high school in there "cliqueyness"(sp). The major shells for the most part do not get along and do not work together in the slightest. As can be seen by the flames on this board. None of them are truely strong enough to go head to head with the JPN shells with the big name HNMs, as can also be seen by the flames on this board. Sad but true.
 
I have made 2 suggestions so far to deal with the NM claim issue, The idea that all NM are forced popped based on a series of rare drops and/or quests to make them hard enough to retain a high value. We have little control over this sadly, it's a developer issue.

Also, simply, instead of targeting Japanese as a group we focus on the specific LS that MPK. We don't need some collaborate LS, or rules to help each other out more, we need to actually stop taking it up the rear from the people who obviously DO MPK, BOTH NA and JP, and MPK the shit out of them.
 
Darkdante said:
All Very true. And getting everyone together would only make that idea stronger. And elminiate all MPKers, cheaters, racists etc...... ^^
Click to expand...

Have you ever done a mision in an alliance? Do you see how hard it is to get things done? Now imagine trying to get 3 times as many people togeteher and the planning and annoyance it will be.

Its not about banding all the NA ls together, its about taking action of what we are saying. One of the HNM ls' already established could very easily camp the NMs right up there w/ the JP ls and kill fine.
 
So its impossible?
Dynamis is impossible?
If something is hard we shouldn't do it?

If you can kill and do things just fine all this complaining and nonsense I see on these boards just don't make any sense. Whats the problem if everything is just fine? How come theres not more pld with arbrutration armour? And all that stuff I always hear the JP's have? Whats all the bitchin about?
 
Here is my idea. How about we all stay up like I do to about 2am and see for yourself how good some JP players are. I don't know if they invite me because I'm the only BLM looking or they just don't mind playing with NAs. Eitherways it's not JPs that are bad, it's certain people, if they were to ban all the bad people, then the Na and the JP population would both decrease greatly. The reason we have alot of NA MPK NA is because we can't have a heated argument against a JP players. We are too stupid to let things go so we piss someone off and then fight about it. Now we have two heated people ready to take the other out. Fucking great.

Point is, the best parties I have ever had have been with JP and NA players.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top