Level capped to be raised to 99 (posts moved from flameboard topic)

[Shirai]

I'm wondering if we'll have a Whm shortage at 99, since I keep hearing from Whm's 'thats it no more!' and many may consider 24 more lv's of healing too much to bear.

WHM will be the first job I'll be taking there.
I may be an oddball in the bunch, but I like the job a lot.

 

[Zaltana]

/staying off topic to torture Miros even more.

I'm only taking my 4 usable 75's to 99. I've chosen to retire my Elvaan character because i doubt i'll be playing the game enough to 50 all of her subs. It's better for me to work on the kitty directly now. (glad i never bought those hecatomb mitts and glove now tho.)

Exping has never lost its fun for me so i'm excited for the cap increase.

 

[Tristam Green]

You have said this twice in different areas now. I'm guessing you want some acknowledgment that the server won't in fact crash if you retire one of your characters.

:O

 

[Lenneth]

I hope there is a Maat fight or something like it at every level cap to weed out the shit players, that would be making the 24 level grind worth it to me.

 

[Raesvelg]

I hope there is a Maat fight or something like it at every level cap to weed out the shit players, that would be making the 24 level grind worth it to me.

One of the SE interviews basically said that they didn't think there'd be much in the way of a genkai quest this time around. It was open to change, though.

 

[onedarkflame]

I suppose I should add something worthwhile..

I've got a feeling that there is going to be a set of missions that you must complete. Similar to the Genkai, but more following a COP type ordeal. Lots of time invested.

Of SAM BLM WHM, I'll be leveling them in the order of BLM -> WHM -> SAM

 

[Xalioniaf]

-- It's been six and a half years since the last increase to level cap. Are you planning more "Limit Break" quests (quests which increase the level cap)?

Matsui: We don't plan on having quests like the previous ones. I guess we do need to continue them somehow, but we plan on lowering the difficulty. Raising the level cap changes up the balance and is tough on the adventurers. Thus if they can just go and release it--. It's not like we do it to be mean (laugh).

So no.

 

[Raesvelg]

The fact that it's being done in bite-sized chunks is what has me somewhat puzzled over the "Well, I'm going to take this job to 99 first, then go back and do this job, etc" bit people keep repeating. You're not going to do that. You're going to take a job to 80, and another job to 80, and so on. Well, first you'll probably spend the next couple months taking most of your subs to the mid 40-s at least. THEN you'll level jobs to 80, then to 85, then probably to 90, then finally most likely to 99.

My primary concern over this whole issue is one of space requirements for leveling. Remember what the Dunes were like, back in '04? Yeah. It's like that. There are only a handful of "good" camps at this point, and most of those will not be good very quickly once the majority of the party breaks 75. The sort of 20-40k/hr parties you can easily get used to in meriting will be impossible through a combination of massive overcrowding and the fact that most of those mobs are skirting the bottom edge of IT already.

So either SE is going to have to completely revamp mob levels in a wide variety of locations in order to increase the number of xp camps, or they're going to have to actually instance some of those camps, which is part of what I think they might be going for with the Aybssea expansions. And if that's the case, they're basically going to be mandatory for anyone that wants to keep playing the game.

 

[Raesvelg]

For me the people complaining about the rise in the level cap generally fall into a few different categories.

First, there are the people who don't like leveling. They embrace the idea of new content, they just find leveling to be a painful grind that interferes with their enjoyment of the game. For these people, I have a measure of sympathy. There are a lot of jobs I never particularly enjoyed leveling, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of going back and leveling them again. Lots of subs, lots of levels needed for those subs, lots of time spend in E.Ronfaure killing Colibri. Too much of that makes Raes go something... something...

Second, there are the people who just fear change. They don't trust SE to do the job properly, they're worried about the complications that will arise when the range of abilities granted by subjobs expands enormously, and they are equally concerned about the amount of content that SE can possibly provide for this sudden and profound of a change. As before, I have sympathy for these people. It is a very abrupt alteration to a game that has remained essentially stagnant for almost its entire lifespan. I like to think that a lot of the little things SE has been throwing at us over the past couple years (augment, evolith, level sync, etc) have been preparatory measures for this coming expansion, but there's no way of knowing for sure until the process actually begins.

Finally, there are the people who have gotten their jobs to 75, geared them to their liking, and are royally pissed off that SE is going to make them get new gear. Most of the people who fall into this category that I've talked to are upset not because there will be new gear, new challenges, and they're just burned out from having achieved all that they have. For that sub-group, I have sympathy. But no. Most of them are upset because other people will be able to get "better" gear without the same effort. It's analogous to the bitchfest that occurred when SE made the Thief's Knife a trivial acquisition.

Bear in mind that we have no idea what kind of gear is going to be offered to level 75+ characters, and the inclusion of the Trial of the Magian system tends to lead one to the conclusion that they're not going to be making cheap equivalents of your Ares Cuirass, Adaman Hauberk, or Ridill. But that's largely irrelevant to the knee-jerk "I'm-gonna-quit-SE-sucks" crowd who are just pissed off because they feel that their e-peen will get proportionately smaller.

For those people, I have only a hearty laugh at their expense.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

The fact that it's being done in bite-sized chunks is what has me somewhat puzzled over the "Well, I'm going to take this job to 99 first, then go back and do this job, etc" bit people keep repeating. You're not going to do that. You're going to take a job to 80, and another job to 80, and so on. Well, first you'll probably spend the next couple months taking most of your subs to the mid 40-s at least. THEN you'll level jobs to 80, then to 85, then probably to 90, then finally most likely to 99.

Dat da da daaaa. We have a winner folks. There's going to be at least 3 months in between each rise, and judging off SE's history of giving the players things they have been told (Hi thar ToAU jobs AF2, expansion of number of merits you can put into combat skills?), I wouldn't get all in a fuss about 99 until you see some hard dates set.

 

[Tristam Green]

Finally, there are the people who have gotten their jobs to 75, geared them to their liking, and are royally pissed off that SE is going to make them get new gear. Most of the people who fall into this category that I've talked to are upset not because there will be new gear, new challenges, and they're just burned out from having achieved all that they have. For that sub-group, I have sympathy. But no. Most of them are upset because other people will be able to get "better" gear without the same effort. It's analogous to the bitchfest that occurred when SE made the Thief's Knife a trivial acquisition.

Haha, I bet I know one or more persons in that crowd. Elitist jackoffs.

 

[Tyrath]

I still think that new system they're gonna implement will keep the current "best gear" still the best at 99. You'll just have to upgrade your ebody, etc.

 

[Tristam Green]

I still think that new system they're gonna implement will keep the current "best gear" still the best at 99. You'll just have to upgrade your ebody, etc.

I know there's no way in Hell they'd make the relic weapons sub-par....given how long it takes *anyone* to get one.

 

[Kajimaru]

As long as I get new spells, BLM to 99!!!! *working on leveling sub now.*

 

[Tyrath]

I know there's no way in Hell they'd make the relic weapons sub-par....given how long it takes *anyone* to get one.

Well the same system I mentioned has things planned to upgrade the relic weapons also. Though they said the quests will be even harder than what it took to get the weapons in the first place.

 

[Tristam Green]

Why not? This is Square Enix we're talking about, the authority on all things fucked up when it comes to ultimate quests.

I bet they will make it some retarded quest where you can't obtain the upgraded relic if you ever opened a treasure chest in King Ranperre's Tomb or something equally moronic.

 

[Kajimaru]

Level 99!

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Respect: You have it.

 

[Alobont]

Only thing im worried about is Dynamis. Id like to see it capped at 75 to prevent the massive cluster fuck having level 99 in there will create, other then that Lets do this shit.

 

[Zaltana]

You have said this twice in different areas now. I'm guessing you want some acknowledgment that the server won't in fact crash if you retire one of your characters.

:O

and as usual you guess wrong. i actually forgot i already posted that before. all the excitement over some new "toys" elph and I have has me forgetting the minor details. :spiteful:

 

[Raesvelg]

Well the same system I mentioned has things planned to upgrade the relic weapons also. Though they said the quests will be even harder than what it took to get the weapons in the first place.

I doubt that they'll make the relic weapon upgrade quests substantially more difficult than the relic weapon quest itself, because that is something that could easily cost them membership, and justifiably so.

SE has assured people for years that there would be no improvements beyond the relic weapons; that they'd be the ultimate weapon for any job in perpetuity. If they make an incredibly involved quest to upgrade them (one assumes the possibility of either numerous upgrades or a staged upgrade scheme, to keep them current over the coming 6 month or so period of level cap increases) then they'd be going back on that rather definitively.

"Hey, you just completed one of the most difficult tasks in FFXI! TIME TO DO IT AGAIN ONLY HARDER!!!"

I just can't see that happening.