Level your #*($@#($& subjobs!

Bluefrost said:
That can be easily argued otherwise.
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Agreed. You people saying that /smn is not a good sj for whm are obviously not in endgame yet and have no clue what is good and what is not.

There are several sj's for rdm in endgame. Drk being a very important one.

Shaunessy said:
No, it is a proven fact that those subs are the best to use and if you don't use them then you are gimp.
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As far as blm goes /whm is the best sub NOT /rdm. But you should level both to at least 37.
 
Shaunessy said:
No, it is a proven fact that those subs are the best to use and if you don't use them then you are gimp.
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Proven fact eh? I know my favorite sub for WHM is /SMN. WHM job has the #1 concern of having as much MP as possible. Well /BLM DOES give you a bit of MP, and get conserve MP. /SMN gives you by far more MP because of the 2 MP Bonus Job traits and at 50+ you can sum SMN for auto refresh.

Now saying /RDM is the best sub (proven) for BLM. I dunno about you but wth does /rdm give you as a sub that /whm gives you that you would use? Esp. at higher lvls a BLM does what elemental debuffs/nuking/status curing. An example of /whm being very very nice for BLM.
In my static we barrel through stuff and to conserve MP the BLM does status cures after each fight, including curaga. I honestly dont see a single thing a BLM would want to /RDM for that /WHM doesnt provide that a blm would actually use in a standard pt setup.
 
Jinx Etchdog^^.
 
etchdog2000 said:
I dunno about you but wth does /rdm give you as a sub that /whm gives you that you would use?
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INT. Probably a negligible amount though.
 
Yeah, INT but not enough to matter for a BLM. Gravity and Dispel, too, but status cures and post-fight Curaga spells are far more useful.
 
Reishu said:
WHM's major damage (with the right gear) comes from the SC, not the individual hits. Yes, it's less than great, but it still works. I'd still prefer a real DD though.
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I can Hexa EP stuff for 1100 easy. Don't think an SC will change wether I do "major damage" or not, unless you're talking about 2000+ damage hits.
 
Claxton said:
Oh and for those, like Stigmatas who say "Let's not forget FFXI is time consuming AND not all people go to school or dont have any type of responsibilities. I am a nerd as much as the next guy but I like to get out once in a while.. not being stuck in the house leveling subs so I can impress others. :|" are morons. You have time to lvl your main, but when it comes to subs, you suddenly have a life? Good job there dude. I'm on varsity and I don't get out of school till 5 because of that, yet I stopped leveling ranger once I saw that I needed to sub war. Guess what? I have a life, I just take the time I have on weekends and lvl war instead of ranger.
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very good point, but no. i put my life aside to reach 75, i'm happy after that. and i dont feel the need to put aside my friends and life to make others happy when i am.

i'm guessing you go to school at 7-5 thats a job, thats over time, try working 16 hr days with 2 hours travel one way.
and tell me do you want to pt for 6 hours and try to get 8 hours sleep?
wait.. 20+ 6 = 26.. 24 hrs in one day. but wait... 24+8= 32...

whats worth more to you?
 
Wait, so you work 20 hours a day, counting travel time? Do you work one day, and then get the other day off?
 
Taruwaru said:
Make up your mind. Are you rng 65/nin 12, or are you rng 75/nin 37?

Oh yeah, I'm only lvl 63, so I know nothing about the dynamics of the game, and you are 75 (even though you said you were 65, which is about the same level as me) so you obviously know everything.

Besides, if I had known you were 75, I wouldn't have said anything, because I know how you guys get your panties in a bunch when someone of a lower level says anything.

Also, it doesn't matter if YOU use food and have good gear. Most subjob gimps don't, so you will be lumped into that category whether you like it or not.

It doesn't matter why you use a subjob. You do lose out on a few STR, and that will have a negative impact on your damage. 75 hp can save your life if something unfortunate happens. Is it probable? No, but it can happen. I know I've survived a fight with less than 75 hp on occasion. That's 5 minutes of downtime you would cost your party if that unfortunate situation occurs.

Tell Reality I said hi. lol.
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reality says hi

two years ago i was 65rng/12rng
i am now 75 rng / 37 nin
not just of lower level, just lower experience.
ige can't buy you experience.
lump me into that category because like you said, i'm up here, your down there.
i dont know everything i just take pride in my job and i know most of the nick nacks you third generation players dont.
i put time into my ranger.
i hate to say this but it is the truth, i am one of the founder of rng.. i can't help that.
 
phishn said:
"WARRIORS: Yes, you, the new guys who are going through Qufim and the Jungles for the first time. I understand you don't have Ninja yet. That's cool. MNK is a perfectly acceptable subjob if you want to tank. THF is a good subjob for DDing. WHM does not work. I partied with only one good WAR/WHM in my time and he had +2 in almost every gear slot and was Rank 10."

My first job was warrior when I started the game and yes, I subbed WHM. Why? It's the closest thing to Paladin I could get since I had no job at 30 yet and that is what I wanted to be. I levelled WAR/WHM up to 33 without a problem, and I was a Rank 2 newb, no + gear. Guess it depends if you know how to play the combo so it works.
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ninja sub isnt a must, its just people are so used to play with certain PT combos they dont know how to function in any other combo.

i think it was johnnyb.. who subbed whm with drk.. at like 50...

sad to say he saved most of us in that pt from death.
who would of thought a so called " gimp " could save us.
I PT without refresh or ballad from 60 to 75.
i couldnt see 1/2 of you doing that lol
 
you try it?

Claxton said:
Wait, so you work 20 hours a day, counting travel time? Do you work one day, and then get the other day off?
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no, i work 5 days a week. ill be home 2am tonight if you want to talk more, its 12:11 pm.

and when i was playing rng at the time of my gimp sub.
i used to work 14 hour days. 7 days a week.
2 hour travel time to rockville no traffic...
so thats 18hrs.. i'm not making excuses i sitll got 75.. but to me it was hard to do but idk maybe i'm soft.

i didnt say this to start a argument with the football jockey, but just to say.. not everyone lives the easy life and still gets to do what they need to do.

engage your brain before you type.
 
Any subjob can work for any job. Only there are subjobs better suited for most jobs. WHM/WAR would be okay, but if you wanna get the full potential of white mage, you should sub SMN or BLM or RDM or something along those lines. Heck, a PLD/MNK could still be a wicked tank. MNK would give the PLD good VIT and HP, along with Boost (for hate), Counter, etc. You lose the job ability Provoke, but Flash can help you get hate, and Boost can help you keep it. Plus Dodge and other such JA's.
 
Oh Stiggy you're soooo perfect^^.
 
Stigmatas said:
reality says hi

two years ago i was 65rng/12rng
i am now 75 rng / 37 nin
not just of lower level, just lower experience.
ige can't buy you experience.
lump me into that category because like you said, i'm up here, your down there.
i dont know everything i just take pride in my job and i know most of the nick nacks you third generation players dont.
i put time into my ranger.
i hate to say this but it is the truth, i am one of the founder of rng.. i can't help that.
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LOL, I'm not third generation. I started when Reality got his first Advanced Job, I just took a long break. IGE?! Oh, so obviously anyone who you perceive as new must buy his gil. Nice.

Also, it's not about experience. It's about ignorance regarding the dynamics of this game. You seem to have a lot of that. There are plenty of gimpy n00bs at 75. Guess what? You're acting like one of them.

What gear did you have when you were 65/12? What food did you use?

How can you can sit there and say that your damage wasn't gimped by not having _20_ levels of NIN.

If you took pride in your job, you wouldn't have stepped foot in an xp party with as a 65/12. If you put time into it, you would have leveled your sub earlier. BTW, why did you go back and level your sub? Apparently you think it's pointless, so something must have changed.

BTW, I won't be down here for long. What argument will you use then?

Founder of RNG?! LOL I gave a slight chuckle when you said Reality was a founder of RNG (there were literally thousands before him)... but people at work are giving me funny looks after my reaction to reading that statement. The only thing you're the founder of is gimp RNGs.

LOL, I think i remember flaming you a year ago. I think it was several times too, because your name sticks out (I quit in October 2004, came back October this year).

Also, wasn't the PC version released barely two years ago? Like December 2003 or something? You had a starter lvl 30 job, some (probably lvl 5-if that) starter job to sub with the other. Then leveled nin to 12 and rng to 65 in how long exactly?
 
taruwaru said:
Founder of RNG?! LOL I gave a slight chuckle when you said Reality was a founder of RNG (there were literally thousands before him)...
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Make that hundreds. So I got a little carried away... ^^
 
Release of PC was in October of 2003 Taru^^.
 
Taruwaru said:
Make that hundreds. So I got a little carried away... ^^
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decidence synical stigmatas alteredstate reality strid
JP's dont count here.
not in that order. name at least four that was before us?
 
Stigmatas said:
decidence synical stigmatas alteredstate reality strid
JP's dont count here.
not in that order. name at least four that was before us?
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I was in that wave at the start but took a couple of months in the 60's. I was never gimp. I remember Glacius also who was one of my buds, and he was never gimp.
 
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