Leveling a job around 30s for the 5th time. And what I see..

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Shia

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I have started leveling my war recently. Despite the fact that I wanted to have a try in a tank class (yeah war is a tank class in a sort), my friend recently started leveling brd, and he leveled up till 37 and my war is 38. So I though yeah we can level together till when ever level we get bored (doubt my friend will ever get bored with brd but there...)

Yesterday it was my day of crafting. Wanted to have some crafts to reach 20 so I can continue with my main (cloth but maybe switching to alchemy or smithing...). As usual I receive a tell from my friend who wanted me to listen to his... well how should I put it "Frustration". My first impression was jeez hes 37 already? Wasn't he 32 last monday? Well he stated he got invited into way way too many "Bad groups" who never "Listens". Er, not a very surprising sight but I proceeded in hearing his "Frustration".

Party 1(me not being there). There was a PT who invited him. The PT was War, Pld, Rng, Drk, Whm, Brd (him) so he accepted. Now he has been told to go to Garliage citadel, which he did. First impression. Warrior gear. 33 war, him being 34. Lizard armor, lvl 20 axe, chain gauntlets, level 7 charm (The bastok quest one. Silver something...) Now good thing she wasn't tanking... She subbed thf 1 level broken but he said I will give a shot. The ranger pulls a beetle, he casts song of madrigal and minuette. Ballad mages, etudes, Prelude to ranger. Thief sneak attack.... "Twenty damage". Obviously no skill chain. Well no blm but still.. the skill chain damage was free damage -_-; After 1 hour the whm states she goes afk for 30min (food). He disbands. Reason was the lack of organisation. The pld and whm not positioning as he requested. And the 30min afk after 1hour.

Party 2(me not being there). He once again got invited. The pt structure was War Drk Thf Rdm whm brd. Structure wise was not that bad, so he joined. Hunting ground was, Althepa desert at level 33. Drk was subbing war. He was to be the first voker. Mob pulled by thief... Brd starts to sing madrigal and minuette.... he gets hit, and hit, and hit, (HP at red) Drk vokes. Whm throws a cureIII and mob goes to whm and thf failed SATA since war voked. Then brd goes back to the mages for ballad then rdm rushes to mob with enblizard. No slow, no paralise, no blind was used. After fight rdm stated "BALLAD!!!!". Brd casted ballad. After 3 rounds with same thing going on, brd disbanded. He couldn't take any more. (understandable)

Party 3(me not being there). He got invite soon after he disbanded when he was about to go anon. Structure was War thf drg whm blm brd. Since he seems to be near leveling, he joined. Hunting ground was Kazam (water fall place). Puller was thf. So he does the usual thing. Madrigal and Minuette, the drg vokes fine then thief SATAs the tank. Things were going well... not. Blm casted Aeroga > Firega etc etc. He missed alot of MBs, and brd asked what to mb with but he ignored. So threnody = none. Blm got constant agro, whm didn't cast much cures so brd had to spam cure. This made him not being able to cast any songs for a while. Blm shouts for Ballad with annoying <call>. Rest happend every fight. Obviously after 5 fights the blm died. And disbanded since he said he was not receiving enough ballad and cures. Replacement happend with a rdm. And same thing happend as Party 2. So brd just ticked and disbanded.

Party 4(me joining as whm after first whm disbands). Another PT he was in. Configuration was Nin thf rng war whm brd(him). 36 PT. He goes to crawlers nest. Does his duties. Since the puller was too slow on pulling he pulls (Bad call, taru brd shouldn't pull at the very least in this level -_-;) the puller pulls one. No biggy, 1 sleep and all goes ok. So... the puller brings on... no wait thats 3 -_-;; So brd dies, whm didn't healed once even after brd has attempted in Foes Lulaby. All others lived since they requested help (after brd died), no one used 2hours except the brd. (for lulaby). Whm left after 2 battles (1 death), so I have been called if I could help him with the PT. My whm was 38 so I guess I was about right. Got there, structure seemed ok. The war seemed to be the first voker. Thief and ninja (why the hell was he pulling is beyond me). Ranger and war stood together at the camp site. (they were rank8 and a well known LS which I won't mention the name) Well since there were no rivals it seems ok for some of them to be at camp... The thief pulls. Shes getting hit... but comes into camp wtih good hp. She gets hit... hit... hit... hit... (HP at red) war vokes. W T F... I toss a cureII (not 3 since I will get mob's attention fast with 3 around this level), regen the thf. Skill chain was moot. There was one but everyone seems to have spammed their ws on their own, thief using sata before doing a skill chain so thats screwed. Well seems a bit inexperienced but worked out.

As we have been exping for 2 hours, not a single time the war voked as soon as the mob arrived in the camp. Then of course, the anoavoidable death happend. The puller pulled 2 mobs. Brd tries to sleep and succeeds. But another one poped at the camp. So we had 3. Brd attempted to sleep with foes lulaby but failed. I didn't have my sleep yet (SJ level not high enogh to use) so I had to heal the brd... but he got hit by 3 crawlers and didn't live long. I died soon after, no vokes from warrior. With both brd and whm dead, the nin died followed by the war and the thf. Ranger lived somehow.

Anyway We managed to level up, but I found alot of frustration in this PT. The ranger kept pulling hate off the ninja, which means more mp used to her. Pulls happened often and I couldn't keep much up at this level with ballad. So brd also cureIIed alot. I honestly couldn't believe that although rank means little towards player skill, it at least shows they might have a higher job... And the fact that they were in a well known LS, it gave confidence which I was wrong. Reason I sticked in the group, was the nin trying his best, brd friend was doing the best and for me being the only and main healer I felt bad to leave.

As a conclusion, the PT these days I don't know how to judge and invite the players. I have to actually meet in person to see what they are wearing. I have to actually PT with them to know if they are good or not. But really player skill wise is dropping further down than my time I played my ranger (which was not long ago, about 1month ago?). The fact that people doesn't do what we want them to do (which by no means is anything hard, its pretty much common sence) even we have requested them to do, is getting out of hand.

These days I have more feeling that the people who are skilled are PLing in a sort for the people who doesn't have a clue on what they are doing and doesn't listen to the request of your party members. Wondering sometimes if people know what "Team play" is. I see more and more new people being "Attention Whore" and "Look I am UBER" kind of attitudes these days neglecting what is to be in a party. My friend is a patient person. He started to say that he wants me to be the tank in his PT since he had enough of all these people and of course he might end up putting JP only. Of course he stated he will accept PT invites from people he know. He usually replies with what jobs the PT consists of first above anything, but if its a person who he know, or partied with him before and knew he was good, then he will say [Yes, Please] without question.
 
hehe glad i am not the only one experiencing what you have seen. but it's not only at lv.30 you see these morons, but at high levels as well like 60-65. Puller brings mobs to camp, rdm or blm stun or (forgot other spell), blm get hit hit hit hit, pld still resting then gets up, blm in yellow hp then pld vokes. Me being smn(main healer) wastes 3 cureIII's on blm which i could have used for the tank instead. So it's not much difference between low and high levels. Plus we must always remember alot of the characters are sold by previous owners and bought by newbies hence you see rank8 plus they may still have the old LS attached when the character was sold at the time.
 
These days I have more feeling that the people who are skilled are PLing in a sort for the people who doesn't have a clue on what they are doing and doesn't listen to the request of your party members.

I agree with you 100%.
I refer to these people as Leeches. Leeches get in a party and leech off the other players skill, equip, spells... But the party would have been beter off with 5 people than this sixth moron.

This is why powerleveling in the dunes and beyond NEEDS TO STOP.
PLEASE.
STOP.
PL'ING.
MORONS.

Thats all :)
 
Hey Shia,

I think you should tell your BRD friend too be careful and look what joibs are in the PT first, because that is normally the first sign of brainlessness.

ie. the first party. War, Pld, Rng, Drk, Whm, Brd (him). Garlaige as im pretty sure you would realize with 3 almost 75 jobs, is really hard without a BLM.

Similarily, War Drk Thf Rdm whm brd, BRD and RDM are more than sufficient, adding a WHM means too many support, a BLM would be better in this case too.

Party 3 was a pretty good setup so i dont blame him for not expecting a bad PT.

but PT 4, War Drk Thf Rdm whm brd, especially in crawlers nest, escape is sooo important too not only that but once again too many support jobs.

my tip? i would recommend you friend use his JP only tag. No one can argue against me that the JP players in general have had much more experience since they've played the game a lot longer and hence know what to do. in addition, there is a large cultural difference between Japanese and North Americans which in the case of this game, favors Japanese people.

(too lazy to post the differences, anyone with a brain should be able to figure it out.)
 
can you refer me to your brd friend??

my blm is lv 41 at the moment and i would like to lvl it up some

looking for good mp regen ^^;;

im sick of seeing so many rdms that miss refresh

if i miss MB, i'll pay him 500 gil everytime!! :mrgreen:

* i do not have stonega2... but its rarely used so plz forgive me XD
 
Well at least I know I wasn't alone in this experience. Your brd friend sounds like he had a very simliar time to my brd.
 
This is where people deserve to get their feelings hurt..."Tough love" is the only option with these type of players.

I beg everyone, wholeheartedly, if your too fucking lazy to camp NMs, craft, farm, or do whatever you need to do to keep gear updated at all times then by all means buy your gil...


There i said it, I will party ANYDAY with a bunch of gilbuying players who are well equipped over the "Honest" lazy or as they call themselves "casual" gamer. Im just so fucking sick of all you scrubby gamers bringing down my xp per hour. Leave the game seriously, just quit. Doesnt it embarass you when you meet up with your new party, they are all nicely equipped with leveled subjobs and your standing there looking like a goddamn hobo?

Have some pride you fucking garbage pail kids....or leave the game. Its that simple, because im sick of hearing you whiny bitches constantly complaining on post boards about people like me who cant stand your laziness.

Dont tell me I have no life because my gear > yours.
Dont tell me you pay to "play how you want" you selfish bitch.

The thing is, I have a kid and a house, and a 40 hour job....im not rich and i dont drive a sportscar just to clear that up (internet bragging about real life is lame so dont think im doing that) I DO have responsiblities just like all of you, but I put in my time on the game to run at full steam in xp parties, why should you get to have the same xp as me with your underleveled subjobs and shitty gear?

You know whats funny? The thread about me, not the infamous 13 pager but the other one...that Ninja /telled me the other day and told me he had leveled his War sub damn near all the way and he had finally seen my point. In my party or not in my party, I will say something if your being a gimp and if you blacklist me thats great! Thats what i want, i want to weed out the "casual" (see lazy) gamers from the people who are serious about getting the job done the easiest way possible.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Vang, dude, your just gonna get flamed even more....

For what? Hating on lazy scrubs that are nothing more than in my way when im trying to go to the AH in Jeuno to buy some more new toys?


Neener neener :D
 
Kipsy your a pussy, thats all...you come in every thread i post in, follow me around like a lost puppy dog with your stupid fucking one liners that aren't even remotely funny. Thats not what makes you a pussy though friend. Its your inability to respond to my retorts...you come in, drop your cheap one liners and then are never to be seen again. You lose terribly to me everytime and you hope the thread dies fast after I respond and make you look like the joke you are =P


Vang -23
Kipsy-0

^^ Didnt i tell you to stop drinking before you post on the internet?
 
vang said:
Kipsy your a pussy, thats all...you come in every thread i post in, follow me around like a lost puppy dog with your stupid fucking one liners that aren't even remotely funny. Thats not what makes you a pussy though friend. Its your inability to respond to my retorts...you come in, drop your cheap one liners and then are never to be seen again. You lose terribly to me everytime and you hope the thread dies fast after I respond and make you look like the joke you are =P


Vang -23
Kipsy-0

^^ Didnt i tell you to stop drinking before you post on the internet?

... I know I recall seeing the bolded text used in another thread somewhere... I know it...

Um, I guess Vang ran out of originality just before he failed the third grade and dropped out. Eh, whatever.

/em has entered a thread of idiocy and fears he may have to return.

Oh wait, wait, wait... I forgot, I know how only post once and not give a crap about what's said afterward. No problems here. Have a good day.
 
Personally I kinda agree with the first couple Paragraphs of Vang's post... It sounds real bad but for the most part I would rather not PT with the so called "casual" gamer...

No I dont hate them or think they should quit.. I would just rather not PT with them.



PS: By "casual" gamer I am referring to the definition Vang so elliquently described.
 
For starters vang, I don't have to respond to you "retorts", but what I _really_ wonder is what world are you living in that you are always right? Trust me vang, calling people a pussy and misspelling your insults doesn't make you cool, and you won't gain any friends on this board that way.

Secondly, don't call me "friend". You don't know me form Adam, and I'm glad. You're a dickhead, plain and simple, you can continue to insult me over and over again, and the fact remains. Nobody on this board likes you. You're a completely unwelcome presence here.

Thirdly, I do not follow you around from thread to thread like a lost puppy, I read all the threads here, because I am an active member of the community.

Please. Do us all a favor and leave. Go to some community that will embrace your unique style of idiocy, I suggest Allakazham.
 
Vang, have you ever once told the people you are partying with up front, the level up experience points you are expecting. Just as you do not like playing with the “casual gamer”, I do not like playing with “extreme gamers”. I am very up front up and honest about it, because what it takes to achieving maximum XP is not fun, and is not what I am playing this game for. One of the reasons you are running into so many of us, is because there are far more of us “casual gamers” than there are of you “extreme gamers”.

Yes my gear is up to date, but is it the latest +1 or +2 stuff, Nope. Because all that would give me is an extra +3 to my INT, which would have less than 1% effect on my enfeebling spells landing. I buy the higher end gear when it will actually affect me, if not; it’s not worth the money. Even if I could afford the absolute best gear, I still would not party with you. Why, because I want a relaxed party atmosphere, were people can enjoy there job, and chat, where we may spend 5 minutes between chains just chatting with one another.

There is one thing “N00bs” and “Extreme” players all seem to have in common. They all seem to think it is a rush to reach level 75. Why, because you want to beat the game. The end only comes when you get tired of playing. There is no “HEY YOU WON THE GAME THE END”.

You say you do not want to deal with me and that I should quit. Well I do not want to deal with you and you should quit. The argument is circular and infinite.

Why are you partying with the person in the first place? Why does your party leader not kick the person, why do you not leave the party? If I open my front door for a thief and let him walk in and take something and then hold the door for him while he walks out, did he really steal anything?

I do not like dealing with the N00bs who you would rank below me, and I don’t. I will drop from any N00b party or extreme player party. I will kick any N00b or extremes player from my party and I have done both. I find it really funny when I kick an extreme player from my party; they get so upset that some body actually had the nerve to kick them.
 
Well said Pascal

but, having +1 or +2 items may not seem like a lot alone, but if you get a whole bunch of them it could add ie. +10 more INT or more etc., similar to how having many +mp items add up, although each part may not seem like a lot.
 
Xerius said:
Well said Pascal

but, having +1 or +2 items may not seem like a lot alone, but if you get a whole bunch of them it could add ie. +10 more INT or more etc., similar to how having many +mp items add up, although each part may not seem like a lot.

Agreed and I do have some + Items, just not everything +. When stuff does add up, or the extra stat it gives justifies the cost, I will get it, but I do not spend Gil on HQ items, just because they are available.

Hairpins are a really good example of not worth having the +1 version.

Silver Hairpin = HP -6 MP: 15
Silver Hairpin +1 = HP – 6 MP: 16

The Silver Hairpin +1 is about 5 times the cost of the Silver Hairpin. (Last time I checked was well over a month ago). Even if you add up all my other MP gear 1 MP is not worth anything. In most cases HQ Armor that all it gives you is one extra DEF point per item is not worth it either unless it is giving some other stat boost such as DEX, STR or ACC.

One correction, +3 to my INT is actually the stuff I would like to have, but have not been able to get yet. I can actually add a possibility of +8 to my INT (MAX) to my current setup, which will cost around 800k (with out actually checking AH prices). That is not including my MND gear, armor or any of the other things I carry with me.
 
vang said:
This is where people deserve to get their feelings hurt..."Tough love" is the only option with these type of players.

I beg everyone, wholeheartedly, if your too fucking lazy to camp NMs, craft, farm, or do whatever you need to do to keep gear updated at all times then by all means buy your gil...


There i said it, I will party ANYDAY with a bunch of gilbuying players who are well equipped over the "Honest" lazy or as they call themselves "casual" gamer. Im just so fucking sick of all you scrubby gamers bringing down my xp per hour. Leave the game seriously, just quit. Doesnt it embarass you when you meet up with your new party, they are all nicely equipped with leveled subjobs and your standing there looking like a goddamn hobo?

Have some pride you fucking garbage pail kids....or leave the game. Its that simple, because im sick of hearing you whiny bitches constantly complaining on post boards about people like me who cant stand your laziness.

Dont tell me I have no life because my gear > yours.
Dont tell me you pay to "play how you want" you selfish bitch.

The thing is, I have a kid and a house, and a 40 hour job....im not rich and i dont drive a sportscar just to clear that up (internet bragging about real life is lame so dont think im doing that) I DO have responsiblities just like all of you, but I put in my time on the game to run at full steam in xp parties, why should you get to have the same xp as me with your underleveled subjobs and shitty gear?

You know whats funny? The thread about me, not the infamous 13 pager but the other one...that Ninja /telled me the other day and told me he had leveled his War sub damn near all the way and he had finally seen my point. In my party or not in my party, I will say something if your being a gimp and if you blacklist me thats great! Thats what i want, i want to weed out the "casual" (see lazy) gamers from the people who are serious about getting the job done the easiest way possible.
lmao... i think i sorta agree haha
 
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