LFG - A Summoner's Story

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CubsWoo

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One simple exchange got me fumed enough to start typing this:

I'm teletaxing, flag not up, 37WHM/17BLM. In the middle of a teleport:

*leader*> Hi pt in Nest?
Me> Would you mind if I came as my SMN/WHM?
*leader*> Um no thanks.

Ugh. Just... ugh. I'm fairly certain that 90% of the people that are out there looking for mages have absolutely no idea what Summoners are capable of post-patch. To all new, up and coming SMNs, a few words of advice.

1) If ANY other mage job is LFG, drop your flag and go do something else. WHM, RDM, BLM, BRD - they're all going to get the invite before you. Never mind that your mana pool will almost always be deeper (mine's ~650 with food @37, and will go up another 110 by items alone at 40) or that you can function perfectly well as a main healer in the Nest (Whispering Wind is a hate-free Curaga II and aside from Regen and Cure III you basically have all the WHM tools,) you're going to be picked last. And God forbid...

2) If you don't have Fenrir, don't expect to stay in JP parties. Or be invited to them, for that matter. {Fenrir} {/no}? {I'm sorry.} {That's too bad.} And you don't hear from them again. Believe me, if I had the high-level friends (or the 2-3 million gil I'd need to bribe such people) he'd be mine tomorrow. Sadly, this is not the case. I'm suprised SE gave us the L20 solo battles - the job was even more elitist before that.

3) Everyone is going to tell you how to play your job. If you send an av out to melee, at least one person will tell you to drop it and heal. If you just heal, someone will make the "We didn't invite a SMN to be a gimped WHM" jab. SC and BP timing is very tricky with SMN, too - but you get no forgiveness when you miss. The melee jobs have had since day 1 to figure out SC timing - we SMNs have had about three weeks. Cut us some slack, please. And despite that...

4) Non-SMNs have almost no idea what SMNs can actually DO. Especially post-patch We heal (main or backup.) We can buff the pt in ways no other job can. We can debuff the mob, both with WHM spells and Blood Pacts (Tail Whip adds Gravity, Megalith Throw Slow, Thunderspark Paralyze, and so on.) Our avatars do respectable damage (~20 per hit on ITs, 125-200 on Blood Pacts, and 220+ on Magic Bursts.) We can open AND close just about any level 1 or 2 skillchain. If we're in a jam, our 2hr (along with MNKs) is the best way to turn a TPW into more XP for the group. We're tough, we're capable, for the most part we know what we're doing - and we're damn proud to play the job we play.

Now all we need is the opportunity to show you what all we can do.
 
Heh most if not all SMN will go through a lot of rough stages like that. Just stick it out. You'd be surprised how much people base SMN off just things they've read in forums like alla or this actually. My favorite quotes would have to be

"You don't have Stona? WTF!" (he thought SMN are actually WHM and get the same spells... this was 1/2way to Kuftal to fight cockatrices, which he didn't announce till we got there... so I got booted for his stupid idea to invite a SMN to do a WHM's job.)

"Just do whatever SMN do, I never partied with one"

"Why are you attacking? Use Aerial Armor and cure!" (As most people have damage filtered out, they can't see the 700-900 dmg Leviathan does and are worried about having blink which rarely blocks an attack, and only a couple at that, or 1 AOE which will knock everyone's out in one go.)

Just face it. We've gotten this stigma over time, and it's not changing. Let the open minded ones see all we have to offer, believe me, they'll be the ones inviting you over and over since you're one of a kind :P
 
Svina said:
Heh most if not all SMN will go through a lot of rough stages like that. Just stick it out. You'd be surprised how much people base SMN off just things they've read in forums like alla or this actually. My favorite quotes would have to be

"You don't have Stona? WTF!" (he thought SMN are actually WHM and get the same spells... this was 1/2way to Kuftal to fight cockatrices, which he didn't announce till we got there... so I got booted for his stupid idea to invite a SMN to do a WHM's job.)

"Just do whatever SMN do, I never partied with one"

"Why are you attacking? Use Aerial Armor and cure!" (As most people have damage filtered out, they can't see the 700-900 dmg Leviathan does and are worried about having blink which rarely blocks an attack, and only a couple at that, or 1 AOE which will knock everyone's out in one go.)

Just face it. We've gotten this stigma over time, and it's not changing. Let the open minded ones see all we have to offer, believe me, they'll be the ones inviting you over and over since you're one of a kind :P

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fishbot said:
Svina said:
Heh most if not all SMN will go through a lot of rough stages like that. Just stick it out. You'd be surprised how much people base SMN off just things they've read in forums like alla or this actually. My favorite quotes would have to be

"You don't have Stona? WTF!" (he thought SMN are actually WHM and get the same spells... this was 1/2way to Kuftal to fight cockatrices, which he didn't announce till we got there... so I got booted for his stupid idea to invite a SMN to do a WHM's job.)

"Just do whatever SMN do, I never partied with one"

"Why are you attacking? Use Aerial Armor and cure!" (As most people have damage filtered out, they can't see the 700-900 dmg Leviathan does and are worried about having blink which rarely blocks an attack, and only a couple at that, or 1 AOE which will knock everyone's out in one go.)

Just face it. We've gotten this stigma over time, and it's not changing. Let the open minded ones see all we have to offer, believe me, they'll be the ones inviting you over and over since you're one of a kind :P

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PC+1 = BANNED!

Anyway, for relevancy's sake: I've never really partied with a SMN that used avatars effectively. I've seen only Aerial Armor with Garuda, and that's it. Nothing too special of note, but i'd be more inclined to join up with a SMN after reading about buffs/debuffs. It certainly doesn't help summoners more now that servers have euro-noobs parading around in it not knowing what to do. From your signature though, you SHOULD be entering the level range in which people should recognize what SMNs can do. Good luck to you :/
 
every job has a stigma attached to it. and everyone has there opinion on each stigma (or will develop one). you shouldn't feel like you have to come on here and justify your existence. all of us have had some situation where a party or a leader has asked us to do something we weren't meant to do or didn't know what we could do something else. i feel as a whole people on ffxi are to picky when it comes to making parties. if you need a DD then get any 'ol DD dont say "we have to have this job/sub combo" if you need a backup healer then get any 'ol backup healer. if you have all the main areas covered then it should'nt matter what you fill the gaps with.

i was in a party last week and we had things looking pretty good. we had a pld for tank, a whm, and i had a bow and said i would pull. the party leader would only fill the other spots with rng's or with blm's. cause he said "its the only way to get fast damage. we dont need to get into how ignorant this person was. sufice it to say that we spent 45 minutes looking and no one else joined the party. thats 45 of wasted time.

the next time your in a party remember how hard it was for you to get into one as a smn. and when you hear someone say "we need a <fill in the blank>" make sure to say something that other jobs might be able to perform that function.

i'll go out of my way next time i form a party to bring a smn along. if you'll do me a favor. go home tonight and make a party. try to find a war and let him be your tank. if your pre15 invite that thf that has been lfp for an hour. pic someone that may not have the cookie cutter job/sub combo and let them show you why they picked it, it may work out after all.

sorry to go on. i hope you all dont mind.
 
Oh god I know what you're saying Cubs...I'm so sick of the nest and this mentality. I don't mind healing, and I do end my battles with Aerial Armor because it gives me a few more seconds to sit and rest up, it also helps the mages when they take to much hate. However I'm having a hard time adjusting to this new "SC/MB" thing, that being said I do try to throw in a DD BP because the damage has gone way up. Maybe a Tail Whip or Double Punch.

I hate being invited as main healer and no I can't main heal at level 38 without Cure III....Whispering Wind is great in a bind if your frakin BP timer is up. I'm a great backup healer but even then, I'm partying with absolutely shit white mages. Those BPs cost a lot of MP and I do need some time to sit during the battle, good luck finding anytime to sit with the WHM that cast's Banish II instead of Cure II when the tank's life is yellow. People should treat Summoners more like Black Mages, they get up, do their thing and then sit down rinse/repeat. I find it embarassing when after fighting a crawler I'm out of MP, lord knows it's not from doing MY Job but the job of a mo-mo white mage. Summoners make battles go so much better/faster. I had one party with another Summoner in it and there was absolutely NO downtime. He'd spam BP's one battle while I healed up the party and got back some mp, then we'd switch.

Summoner is definately an under-appreciated job. It's under-apreciated as a healer, it's under appreiiated as a buffer and under appreciated as a damage dealer. We can change our job to suit the type of party set up/player we're with and can turn an XP chain of 3 into and XP chain of 5. The problem is, people don't invite summoners to summon. We're invited to do everything but summon! I love my job (hehe other than capping my skill...that's just no fun!) and am Looking foreward to level 50 when I can put on my black mage hobo armor (austre doublet/hat) and grab a dark staff. The job is really starting to kick ass with the wide variety of BPs that are unlocking. Too bad nobody else realizes that...
 
Well put Sabia ^^

I currently do not have summoner, however a good friend of mine, Shakaar, is currently at 41 (i think)SMN, and that jobs new abilities rock! Ifrit was matching me for damage dealt!!! I was floored to say the least...........
My att with WAR subbed and without food is currently 207 at lvl 43, so Im laying it down on mobs, and to see Shak's scary pet pace me was very cool.

We experimented with SC'ing Ifrit and myself, however the damage we were laying down in Rolanberry only allowed us to pull off 1 SC.

Next time him I think he and I should try a worker crawler in in the nest.
Too bad our lvl's are little gapped, Id like to hook up with you, load up the SC calculator and give it a go :)
 
asiamise said:
Well put Sabia ^^

I currently do not have summoner, however a good friend of mine, Shakaar, is currently at 41 (i think)SMN, and that jobs new abilities rock! Ifrit was matching me for damage dealt!!! I was floored to say the least...........
My att with WAR subbed and without food is currently 207 at lvl 43, so Im laying it down on mobs, and to see Shak's scary pet pace me was very cool.

We experimented with SC'ing Ifrit and myself, however the damage we were laying down in Rolanberry only allowed us to pull off 1 SC.

Next time him I think he and I should try a worker crawler in in the nest.
Too bad our lvl's are little gapped, Id like to hook up with you, load up the SC calculator and give it a go :)

Next time him I think he and I should try
Jeez I hate when I typo on the Flameboard :(

*Next time I think he and I should*
 
asiamise said:
Next time him I think he and I should try a worker crawler in in the nest.
Too bad our lvl's are little gapped, Id like to hook up with you, load up the SC calculator and give it a go :)

Asia that would kick massive amounts of ass. I haven't even gotten a chance to try out these new summoner abilities because I'm alway fucking healing! It's making me nuts! I'm trying to catch up to Palum's level 43 BLM, maybe this weekend if I don't end up with morons....
 
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