Lichna and ditching parties

Ethelwulf ditches parties too. He's also extraordinarily cool.
 
Khidir said:
Khidir>>mind if i get a tele before I go?
Lichna>> sorry my bro is signing on medicineman
Lichna>> i was using his char and mine for the pt. these are both on the same acct.

I'm wondering why they both need to log if his bro is signing on? and let alone even if one has to log? I assumed that the brothers lived in different locations and how can two chars on the same acct.(as in content ID) play at the same time? I didnt care too much either way I just know some BS was up.
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ya thats wasnt med, that was his lil bro playing. He's sort of a nub, hes still tryin to learn the game
 
Sneakypants said:
Ethelwulf ditches parties too. He's also extraordinarily cool.
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lolEthelwulf.

He's the one in my late20's to early30-something pt when I PLD who had to run away from the party for 10 minutes, try and make us wait while he or his then e-g/f Shabazzia kill beetles so they'll level at the same time.

Not even going to mention how much the kid complains about EVERYTHING when in XP pt, b/c IDK if he's here to say anything about it...

Far as the OP, haven't come across that player, but ty for the heads up. I don't really discriminate against people based off a flameboard post, but if encounter a party with them, I keep a watchful eye...

- Lec
 
Lecreuset said:
lolEthelwulf.

He's the one in my late20's to early30-something pt when I PLD who had to run away from the party for 10 minutes, try and make us wait while he or his then e-g/f Shabazzia kill beetles so they'll level at the same time.

Not even going to mention how much the kid complains about EVERYTHING when in XP pt, b/c IDK if he's here to say anything about it...
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Yeah he's pretty terrible, lol.
Had him in my PT when I was on PLD. He was THF. Aza was in the PT as RNG, pulling hate on the Catoblepas at times. When he did, I'd need to adjust to line up for him...NOBODY pains over a moving tank more than I do, so when I tank, I don't move unless I NEED to.

So the shit THF tries telling me I move a bunch or something. I actually tell him I am 75 THF (I never throw this type of crap around and not even sure why I did really), and he says that doesn't matter. Basically, not willing to listen to the voice of expertise, and years of experience. Yeah, I guess that doesn't matter. Riiiiight.

He ended up disbanding, saying something about his g/f lying to him about a baby and cancer............THEN threatens me by telling me to enjoy my GM that he was calling for harassment. LOL

W/E. Have fun sucking ass as THF, and having a terrible attitude at the same time, I guess. Loser.
 
Garvin said:
Getting sick and tired of seeing this shit too... learn to play without that shit, god dammit...
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i'm getting sick of seeing this shit.... learn not to be an asshat and post something usefull like. Don't pt with them and/or thanks for the heads up!


Have a nice day!!!!


P.S God damnit! i want to be just like Garvin ^^
 
Lecreuset said:
lolEthelwulf.

He's the one in my late20's to early30-something pt when I PLD who had to run away from the party for 10 minutes, try and make us wait while he or his then e-g/f Shabazzia kill beetles so they'll level at the same time.

Not even going to mention how much the kid complains about EVERYTHING when in XP pt, b/c IDK if he's here to say anything about it...

Far as the OP, haven't come across that player, but ty for the heads up. I don't really discriminate against people based off a flameboard post, but if encounter a party with them, I keep a watchful eye...

- Lec
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Ethelwulf also offered 60k to have people to do his avatars for him. That isn't per-person either. This was at the time when divided amongst 5-2 people wasn't going to pay for the oils, and powders to get to the cloisters. I still think he's an idiot, and damn if he hasn't been on my black list for over a year. How the fuck did he get to be a 75 RNG, and get the gil to level RNG is beyond me.
 
Khajit said:
If a party doesnt need a PL then having one is generally pointless for the overall exp rate.
If the party does need a PL then they dont deserve to get the exp together anyway.
Not only that but how the hell is a whm or rdm suppose to learn how to be an effective healer when a pl is spamming cure3-5 before you can even target the tank or select the appropriate cure macro? Why should somone wait till lv 30, 40, apparently even 50 to be able to learn how to do the things thier job entails? Why should they even take the job that far when their whole experience with the job is to sit there and be bored as hell?

Why should tanks be shouted at by thier parties for voking?
Why should people in ridiculously subpar gear get a free pass towards semi decent exp that they wouldnt stand a chance against without the PL?
Because you say so?
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absolutly, a PL is nice but it does charaters more harm then good.

think about it, example:

through dunes you get pl'd from 10-20, thats alot of skillups to be missing and tank/healing jobs tend to struggle alot more for them when a pl is around. so you go to qufim and you get a bunch of gimp ass jobs that can't dodge, parry, evade or throw out a semi decent cure.
then it gets worst as the mob gets tougher and there skills remain lower, there defensive combat skills get activated less and they start to fall behind.

overal i'm against having a pl, i'll never be caught asking for one if the party's struggling. i'd sooner try diff strat, or leave.
 
romperstomper said:
Ethelwulf also offered 60k to have people to do his avatars for him. That isn't per-person either.
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He ask me to help with his 5-2 on a night I was busy and offered me like 60k divided b/t help to do it right then after I told him I could solo it he offer full amount if could do NOW. I told him no biggie, just look for alternate help since I was busy and that if he had difficulty finding said help that I would do it in less than 2 days on a Sunday for him for free.

Instead he got all uppity and I just went /away for a bit, so I didn't have to hear anymore from him lol...

- Lec
 
Truly amazing how one person can be unanimously disliked. I don't think I have ever heard 1 good thing about Ethelwulf since I began playing.
 
Not true Tony.

He's a good target for the closet-Manthras in the community at large on Quetz.

Emo kids cough up gillors easier from what I hear.

- Lec
 
i believe you miss out on alot if you PL yourself quickly, like stated previously for example, skillups. i missed a ton of staff skillups wich im still makin up for at 75, since most pt wanted lolsummoner to heal like a good little white mage does. so ya good point, otherwise have at it if you like gimping skills.
 
mysticalone said:
i believe you miss out on alot if you PL yourself quickly, like stated previously for example, skillups. i missed a ton of staff skillups wich im still makin up for at 75, since most pt wanted lolsummoner to heal like a good little white mage does. so ya good point, otherwise have at it if you like gimping skills.
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If you're a SMN in a party that's being PL'ed, wouldn't that offer the opportunity to skill your staff instead of play pseudo-WHM? >.>;

Tee-hee I know that's not what you're getting at but eh, just to illustrate that party not without skill-up just b/c PL there, though I'm not debating a PLD, NIN or other job misses vital skillups to parry/eva/shield w/e if a party is PLed so hard that the PL winds up being the tank...

My take on PL:

It's called experience point party for reason, for low level pts, this greatly reduces down-time allowing mages to rest MP while having melee still attack and maximize the pt's kill rate.

Having PL can hinder learning opportunities for lowbies...
Undeniable though that they're not bad to have when you're jonesing for xp and
a pt would otherwise be unavailable with the potential setup at hand with no healers seeking...

A PLs helping hand doesn't hurt unless someone's slacking and using them as a crutch because they're a talentless hack or aspiring new player who can't play their job regardless of having PL present.

If talentless hack, they find way to get xp one way or another...

If new player learning job, still not easy to excel without a helping word or two from someone more experienced... If said advice is heeded, PL present or not player will know what to do next time to fit their role better.

Tossing a newb into a party with a PL and without a PL, not knowing job function, still wind up looking like chicken with head cut off. People who do the homework on their job and get some pointers on how to be better at their job will excel, PL or no PL.

Plenty of argument to go for and against...
If liking PL or indifferent and just want XP go for it.
If not fan of PL, don't pt...
PLing stops @ 50 LATEST and that's with someone to backup heal if the PL slips IMO.
If you're being PL'ed beyond that, you have a 7-man party, and must be in some real awkward situation...

Damn if it isn't frustrating trying to blink-tank as a Ninja when you have a 75RDM WHM SMN or BLM trying to tank for you and make you feel like you're wasting tool-gil though.

- Lec

Edit: Eep. Just eep.
Anyone wanna split a brownie sundae?
Cherry's mine though sucka.
 
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Lecreuset said:
If you're a SMN in a party that's being PL'ed, wouldn't that offer the opportunity to skill your staff instead of play pseudo-WHM? >.>;

Tee-hee I know that's not what you're getting at but eh, just to illustrate that party not without skill-up just b/c PL there, though I'm not debating a PLD, NIN or other job misses vital skillups to parry/eva/shield w/e if a party is PLed so hard that the PL winds up being the tank...

My take on PL:

It's called experience point party for reason, for low level pts, this greatly reduces down-time allowing mages to rest MP while having melee still attack and maximize the pt's kill rate.

Having PL can hinder learning opportunities for lowbies...
Undeniable though that they're not bad to have when you're jonesing for xp and
a pt would otherwise be unavailable with the potential setup at hand with no healers seeking...

A PLs helping hand doesn't hurt unless someone's slacking and using them as a crutch because they're a talentless hack or aspiring new player who can't play their job regardless of having PL present.

If talentless hack, they find way to get xp one way or another...

If new player learning job, still not easy to excel without a helping word or two from someone more experienced... If said advice is heeded, PL present or not player will know what to do next time to fit their role better.

Tossing a newb into a party with a PL and without a PL, not knowing job function, still wind up looking like chicken with head cut off. People who do the homework on their job and get some pointers on how to be better at their job will excel, PL or no PL.

Plenty of argument to go for and against...
If liking PL or indifferent and just want XP go for it.
If not fan of PL, don't pt...
PLing stops @ 50 LATEST and that's with someone to backup heal if the PL slips IMO.
If you're being PL'ed beyond that, you have a 7-man party, and must be in some real awkward situation...

Damn if it isn't frustrating trying to blink-tank as a Ninja when you have a 75RDM WHM SMN or BLM trying to tank for you and make you feel like you're wasting tool-gil though.

- Lec

Edit: Eep. Just eep.
Anyone wanna split a brownie sundae?
Cherry's mine though sucka.
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Lec all I have to say is that even newbs don't listen to experienced players. Giving them advice is just not useful in anyways. Sometimes you might get that one that will take to what you will say about the job, but damn most of them ignore you and go "I read alla I know what I am doing!"
 
romperstomper said:
Lec all I have to say is that even newbs don't listen to experienced players. Giving them advice is just not useful in anyways. Sometimes you might get that one that will take to what you will say about the job, but damn most of them ignore you and go "I read alla I know what I am doing!"
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I don't think I've ever met a noob who just wouldn't listen. I've met a few noobs that you REALLY had to hammer at them before they'd even begin to open up, but I can't say I ever actually met one of those lost causes. Must be the noobs in Europe aren't quite as bad as the noobs in the US? hehehe.
 
mysticalone said:
i believe you miss out on alot if you PL yourself quickly, like stated previously for example, skillups. i missed a ton of staff skillups wich im still makin up for at 75, since most pt wanted lolsummoner to heal like a good little white mage does. so ya good point, otherwise have at it if you like gimping skills.
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some people will tend to get pissy if you tried to melee in an xp party anyways, that whole arguement on giving the mob more tp for the little dmg a staff would do.

personally though i like to skillchain with my avatar, just makes partying that bit more entertaining rather then sitting at the side lines.
 
I'd be more concerned about the quality of a mage who *did* keep their *weapons* capped (via exp parties, not skillups or besieged or what have you) all the way to 75, honestly ...

Notwithstanding having previously skilled it up on another job of course.

EDIT: As for PLs and skillups, they'd affect tanks' skillups in defensive stats (evasion's kinda a non-issue because it's easy to cap, parry's kinda a non-issue since it almost never gets skillups anyway, so shield's the only one worth mentioning), and they'd affect healing magic skillups for the jobs that can get them (PLD WHM RDM). Not that healing magic skill gets very fast skillups (outside of besieged or nuking undead with cures) anyway, so that probably wouldn't be much of an issue anyway.

So really, skillup-wise, it complicates PLDs keeping their shield capped, and that's about it.
 
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I guess I agree with both sides. Having a PL doesn't mean everbody has to stop giving a shit about how they play, so on a personal level it doesn't really affect you unless you're a WHM. If anything, I remember parties were more fun for me as BLM with a PL. :D As leader though, I have told PLs (No, thanks.) by our WHM's request, but I have seen healers be pricks about it too. One not too long ago saw we had a, for the most part afk, PL and just started threatening to Teleport-Altep us. The party spiraled downward from there.

In regards to noobs, there's only so much you can do, and unless you're some super extrovert player, are willing to do, for them. Turning one with a PL away isn't going to make him or her a better player. I think somebody said it, if you care enough and aren't simply saying "NO PL" out of sanctimony, invite them, with their PL, and try to give them some advice. If they won't take it, then you've done all you could do, enjoy the exp, lol.
 
First off... if you have a pl you don't get a party that has a whm in it and you don't get a tank either. You get dd jobs maybe 3 or 4+ and whope the shit out of stuff. And if your gonna pull the need to hold back button... were not taking monks vs nin tanks here. This is dunes lvl range aint no one holding back.

As far as pling in the 50s goes, lil weird ill admit but! None of my partys in the 50s I was pling were any different than if I'd waisted a spot with a whm. If I can get away without I will. Hell I just got done lvling war to 60 from 45 and 85% of it was done with 2 other dds and me pling it. I hardly doubt the warriors I got or drgs were thinking shit I'm to 1337 for the tanks when they got a normal party. Everyone always had fun spaming the hell out of crap.

Do I have good solo skills? You ask me, I dinged 75 on my rdm nin combo solo. A pl isn't going to make or break how I play a job. Most of the ones I lvl I've already lvld once twice some I'm on my 3rd time, aint nothing a grind through dunes is gonna change.

When I'm graced with my wife playing with me we get a pl fine we don't? We don't fine she's learning and were just happy to play. I taught her main heal on rdm now that she's 18 she's doing her sub job whm thing aint nothing changed. On rdm she understood that she could be secondary heal while enfeebling. She didn't lolmelee she did her job. On whm if we have a pl she still does a superb job. Curing after aoe damage, toping people off, enfeebling, and eating her cookies and resting after each fight.

A pl doesn't make or break a player, the mind set of a player does. My wife doesn't really like the game. She has fun when she plays but is far from goorou over it and she plays better than 90% of the rank 1 noobs you see in dunes.
 
pakomen said:
I don't think I've ever met a noob who just wouldn't listen. I've met a few noobs that you REALLY had to hammer at them before they'd even begin to open up, but I can't say I ever actually met one of those lost causes. Must be the noobs in Europe aren't quite as bad as the noobs in the US? hehehe.
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No noobs are the same every single place in my eyes now. I don't bother with telling them anymore as the chances of them listening are slim to none. I have had one or two listen to suggestions, but that was it. None of them even bothered to listen as to what to do.

For example when I was leveling Paladin in the 50s slightly over a year ago I had Skylarr in my party on her/his DRG. S/he had just gotten Penta Thrust, and refused to use anything different. I want to say the SC partner was a Samurai so distortion could have been made. I know for a fact we had a BLM so a MB was possible. S/he kicked me for the party for me trying to tell her to SC, but she would only do Double Thrust every once in a blue moon with out even telling the SAM to go while s/he still focusing on the weaker Penta Thrust.

If I didn't know Lanien I probably would have never partied with a Dragoon again. Then I thought of his lolDrg, and was like well maybe there is one Dragoon out there that could be good. Glad I have because some I have partied with did some awesome damage.
 
pakomen said:
I don't think I've ever met a noob who just wouldn't listen. I've met a few noobs that you REALLY had to hammer at them before they'd even begin to open up, but I can't say I ever actually met one of those lost causes. Must be the noobs in Europe aren't quite as bad as the noobs in the US? hehehe.
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ummm seee Jamesy flame [Yes, please]
 
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