Hey Gang!
It's me again, with the latest gossip and hot threads from the Lodestone forums! Many apologies for not having one last week, but what with the majestic ending of 1.0 (despite crappy server issues) and the End of an Era video I was, as I'm sure you all were too, enraptured with it all!
So, without prattling on for much lonnger, on with the show!
CG Midlander
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/57049-CG-Midlander
Anonymoose said:
Something is up with this guy.
I've been analyzing this guy and his two parties on and off for two years now (trying to definitively state his story in a lore post) - and I've finally arrived at my conclusion. It don't think it's me - I think it's possible that Square Enix changed some things and forgot to change others (or maybe just didn't out those changes in a clear context). I'm posting this here since you LOCies have access to the core lore and maybe you can help clear up the disjoint.
I've been tossing around ideas of what's going on, ranging from echo to prophecy... from job change to aging... but no one assumption solves all the problems. (EDIT: Though we're now trying below!)
When we first meet this guy, he's with an Elezen Male and Miqo'te Female picking up some guildleves (presumably in Ishgard).
These two. (AKA AG Party)
Staring at a Resolve leve, he has a vision... He's no longer a gladiator - he's an archer. He's got new friends, an Elezen Female, a Lalafell Female, and a Roegadyn Male. Also, this is the battle of Silvertear Falls, which we know took place 10 years prior to Present Day.
(AKA 10 Years Ago Party*)
* The lalafell is, I assume, in this image... out of view there... by the feets.
fter his vision, he snaps back to his gladiator self and he's with AG Party again. He says that he knows this is the leve he wants.
At first, I assumed he was in Present Day and echo-jumped backwards to a different context (possibly evidenced by the way 10 Years Ago Party reacts to him). However, it could also be interpreted that he is actually 10 years ago and is having a PROPHETIC vision of the future. This has troubled me for a long time... but now I think I've got my answer in the form of some other XIV Pre-Release shots... there is no answer because the video itself was edited in some areas. Here's one of several shots where he is 10 Years Ago ... with 10 Years Ago Party... as a gladiator.
So he could have just swapped jobs around, but it doesn't explain where AG party went when he showed up with 10 Years Ago Party.
And here he is as a gladiator during the Battle of Silvertear Falls in an earlier preview - except we already know that in this scene he is now an archer who's lost his bow while having a vision. There were edits made but I'm not sure what they imply. Compare:
I think that, originally, the scene in the AG scene didn't exist... it was just the 10 years ago content. Then, it was edited - are there mistakes and inconsistencies in the final version? It looks like it could be an echo, it could be prophetic, and he may very well be an interdimensional time lord with an identity crisis.
"Aw, sick! Maybe I'll level warrior, next!"
............
Flash forward to the Realm Reborn trailers. All the same characters are here - 10 Years Ago Party has MERGED with AG Party ... except that the roegadyn has armory system'd into the midlander's main job, and vice versa (and they went for each other's main job relic weapon, too, because why not). If these two parties had indeed met (we see them fighting together before and after this screenshot), why did they not fight together at Silvertear Falls? That was after he picked up the leave with them, no? And they were going with him, yes? So if it was in the future, what's up?
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M WEARING YOUR PA-
OH, GODS, WE DID IT AGAIN!"
--------------------------------------------
If you would be so kind, would you mind telling me the story of what's really going on here? Was the AG Isgard? Present Day 1572 Astral or before the Battle of Silvertear Falls in 1562 Sixth Astral? Was there editing or just he just hop jobs a lot?
If the Battle of Silvertear Falls was BEFORE the scene and he was echo-hopping to 10 years ago, where did he meet up with 10 Years Ago Party LATER? If it all took place 10 years ago and he was having a prophetic vision of was to come, why isn't the party he just told to accept the levequest with him helping him take out the marbol? (Theories below?)
... Did he really take that dive into the exploding primal ball? Midgardsormr's still dead so I assume so. How'd he swing surviving that one?
Its quite a read, but Anonymoose makes a good point. There ARE some unexplained parts to the Midlander's story and a few inconsistencies with the first cinematic trailer and the consequent others. So.... What exactly is the deal and which trailer actually comes first in terms of chronological order?
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on Wii U? Possibility?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ntasy-XIV-A-Realm-Reborn-on-Wii-U-Possibility
KatoKinko said:
So they showed the "Wii U" about it's Features, Price, Release date, ect.
The Technical specifications where also shown and I see it is more powerful than the PS3 or Xbox 360 like some people said it would.
(or at lest more memory then either one) 2GB Total {1GB for games, 1 GB for system software}
I think I remember Yoshi-P saying about "After" they get the game working on the PS3, that they might port the game to other consoles as well. [Correct me if I'm wrong]
Do you believe the game could run on the Wii U?
Do you think Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on the Wii U is a fun idea?
Do you think it could do something cool with the UI with the gamepad?
Should they just stay away from the Wii U?
Mainly, what are your thoughts on the idea?
Katokinko's thread explains itself really, what are your thoughts on FFXIV being on the Wii U in the future, or any MMO for that matter?
Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/58062-Job-Individuality-Pride-Dedication
Crevox said:
I really think the armory system is silly, especially being able to switch classes anywhere. Your class becomes a meaningless choice. Anyone can be anything anytime, so who or what you've grown yourself to be ends up being irrelevant. There's so many times where this comes into play.
1. People want you to swap to the job that is most effective for the situation, all the time; too bad if you want to play X, you're forced to play Y or be kicked. In FFXI I'm sure this happened too, but mid dungeon they're like "we're against coincounter? you can't play melee, swap to ranged now or we're kicking." This happened for many encounters. In other games such as FFXI it was like "I know that job you're playing isn't THE BEST for the situation, but I'm sure we'll get by." People also don't seem to understand that just because you have the class/job doesn't mean you want to play it and doesn't mean you are experienced/geared/skilled with it. I played WHM a lot and sometimes I was asked to go BLM and I said I probably wasn't going to be comfortable with it (lack of gear, didn't play it enough to feel safe on enmity, didn't want to take the risk) and people just didn't seem to understand why I wouldn't go BLM for them (and I was seen as rude).
2. It's not fun when you're like "oh check out my cool dragoon armor and lance" and the other guy goes "oh yeah" and just swaps to it too immediately. It ruins individuality, and gets rid of the ability to say "I AM A DRAGOON" (because technically you can be anything anytime). The class/job choice you make is meaningless, and you just don't have that good feeling about it. I understand people can swap jobs in FFXI too, but anyone can be anything anytime... I want to feel good about having Carbuncle walk around with me, and yet anyone can have him out with them with a push of a button.
3. A large portion of the reason everyone levels up every class/job is because it's so easy. Swap your weapon, gg good to go. It's difficult to feel accomplished saying like "I am a level 50 WHM" in your party. Not only does most of the party have that too, they'll be like "oh I can just switch to that." Sure, you can switch at your house or whatever in FFXI, but that was a LOT more effort to take for a lot of reasons (gotta have the gear which was harder to fully get, had to have the high level job which was harder, and had to spend a long time going back to who knows where to switch and come back). You were appreciated for playing that class, you had individuality, you felt good; in this game, who cares. If a party is 7/8 and just needs a WHM, instead of looking for that dedicated soul who actually is skilled and geared and loves the class, it's just "I'll just switch to WHM" *equip staff*. In worse situations, someone who loves their job (that dedicated dragoon guy) is forced to play WHM because the party is pressuring him to (they know he has WHM).
In FFXIV 2.0, I'm gonna want to main Summoner. But, what bums me out, is that EVERYONE is going to be leveling it at launch, even though a lot of people have zero interest in it. They're just doing it "because they can." Yeah I know a lot of people want to see the lower level content and don't have any other classes to experience it, but still... what's going to set me apart from the people that are just "summonerlols" and me, a serious dedicated person to the job? It should feel like a strong dedication and others should be like "wow, you got that far with summoner/you have that much gear/SOMETHING" rather than just *swap weapon* "yup I'm as good as you now."
I'm finding it difficult to articulate my point, but I hope you understand.
And I know I posted this in another thread, but I felt it was a slightly different topic and the content of the post deserved its own thread.
EDIT: Here's a good post by IronSoup that also explain some of what I'm trying to say:
Quote
In FFXIV, it is fairly easy to be good in any jobs it has to offer compared to FFXI where you needed skills to be able to simply play the job correctly. Even mastering a job is easier than it was in FFXI. Based on that and being an old FFXI player, I have a hard time feeling proud or using the word dedication to master a job since I put more time and efforts doing the same in FFXI.
Unless they completely change the gameplay, I don't think I'll ever feel the same pride in my main job as I did in FFXI or need to dedicate myself to a single job to master it. The level of effort needed is lower so the feeling of accomplishment is also lower.
Here's more from me:
Quote
Also, even if you're playing a warrior in a 2.0 dungeon, how easy is it gonna be for you to grab gear for your alternate jobs? Most of the time, you don't even have to play that job and you end up gearing it just because "hey look I got an garuda bow, now my archer is pro." That's not dedication to archer at all, you just happened to grab a bow playing a different class. If you were forced to play archer in order to get archer equipment, and some archer guy had TONS of great archer gear... now that's dedication.
A rare, but insightful post by Crevox, who is voicing his opinion on the armory/job system and the issues he has with taking pride in the class/job played by the players. What do you guys think? Should changes be made with the way classes can be switched on the fly, should there be more pride being taken in the job/class played? Let us know!
More...
It's me again, with the latest gossip and hot threads from the Lodestone forums! Many apologies for not having one last week, but what with the majestic ending of 1.0 (despite crappy server issues) and the End of an Era video I was, as I'm sure you all were too, enraptured with it all!
So, without prattling on for much lonnger, on with the show!
CG Midlander
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/57049-CG-Midlander
Anonymoose said:
Something is up with this guy.
I've been analyzing this guy and his two parties on and off for two years now (trying to definitively state his story in a lore post) - and I've finally arrived at my conclusion. It don't think it's me - I think it's possible that Square Enix changed some things and forgot to change others (or maybe just didn't out those changes in a clear context). I'm posting this here since you LOCies have access to the core lore and maybe you can help clear up the disjoint.
I've been tossing around ideas of what's going on, ranging from echo to prophecy... from job change to aging... but no one assumption solves all the problems. (EDIT: Though we're now trying below!)
When we first meet this guy, he's with an Elezen Male and Miqo'te Female picking up some guildleves (presumably in Ishgard).
These two. (AKA AG Party)
Staring at a Resolve leve, he has a vision... He's no longer a gladiator - he's an archer. He's got new friends, an Elezen Female, a Lalafell Female, and a Roegadyn Male. Also, this is the battle of Silvertear Falls, which we know took place 10 years prior to Present Day.
(AKA 10 Years Ago Party*)
* The lalafell is, I assume, in this image... out of view there... by the feets.
fter his vision, he snaps back to his gladiator self and he's with AG Party again. He says that he knows this is the leve he wants.
At first, I assumed he was in Present Day and echo-jumped backwards to a different context (possibly evidenced by the way 10 Years Ago Party reacts to him). However, it could also be interpreted that he is actually 10 years ago and is having a PROPHETIC vision of the future. This has troubled me for a long time... but now I think I've got my answer in the form of some other XIV Pre-Release shots... there is no answer because the video itself was edited in some areas. Here's one of several shots where he is 10 Years Ago ... with 10 Years Ago Party... as a gladiator.
So he could have just swapped jobs around, but it doesn't explain where AG party went when he showed up with 10 Years Ago Party.
And here he is as a gladiator during the Battle of Silvertear Falls in an earlier preview - except we already know that in this scene he is now an archer who's lost his bow while having a vision. There were edits made but I'm not sure what they imply. Compare:
I think that, originally, the scene in the AG scene didn't exist... it was just the 10 years ago content. Then, it was edited - are there mistakes and inconsistencies in the final version? It looks like it could be an echo, it could be prophetic, and he may very well be an interdimensional time lord with an identity crisis.
"Aw, sick! Maybe I'll level warrior, next!"
............
Flash forward to the Realm Reborn trailers. All the same characters are here - 10 Years Ago Party has MERGED with AG Party ... except that the roegadyn has armory system'd into the midlander's main job, and vice versa (and they went for each other's main job relic weapon, too, because why not). If these two parties had indeed met (we see them fighting together before and after this screenshot), why did they not fight together at Silvertear Falls? That was after he picked up the leave with them, no? And they were going with him, yes? So if it was in the future, what's up?
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M WEARING YOUR PA-
OH, GODS, WE DID IT AGAIN!"
--------------------------------------------
If you would be so kind, would you mind telling me the story of what's really going on here? Was the AG Isgard? Present Day 1572 Astral or before the Battle of Silvertear Falls in 1562 Sixth Astral? Was there editing or just he just hop jobs a lot?
If the Battle of Silvertear Falls was BEFORE the scene and he was echo-hopping to 10 years ago, where did he meet up with 10 Years Ago Party LATER? If it all took place 10 years ago and he was having a prophetic vision of was to come, why isn't the party he just told to accept the levequest with him helping him take out the marbol? (Theories below?)
... Did he really take that dive into the exploding primal ball? Midgardsormr's still dead so I assume so. How'd he swing surviving that one?
Its quite a read, but Anonymoose makes a good point. There ARE some unexplained parts to the Midlander's story and a few inconsistencies with the first cinematic trailer and the consequent others. So.... What exactly is the deal and which trailer actually comes first in terms of chronological order?
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on Wii U? Possibility?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ntasy-XIV-A-Realm-Reborn-on-Wii-U-Possibility
KatoKinko said:
So they showed the "Wii U" about it's Features, Price, Release date, ect.
The Technical specifications where also shown and I see it is more powerful than the PS3 or Xbox 360 like some people said it would.
(or at lest more memory then either one) 2GB Total {1GB for games, 1 GB for system software}
I think I remember Yoshi-P saying about "After" they get the game working on the PS3, that they might port the game to other consoles as well. [Correct me if I'm wrong]
Do you believe the game could run on the Wii U?
Do you think Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on the Wii U is a fun idea?
Do you think it could do something cool with the UI with the gamepad?
Should they just stay away from the Wii U?
Mainly, what are your thoughts on the idea?
Katokinko's thread explains itself really, what are your thoughts on FFXIV being on the Wii U in the future, or any MMO for that matter?
Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/58062-Job-Individuality-Pride-Dedication
Crevox said:
I really think the armory system is silly, especially being able to switch classes anywhere. Your class becomes a meaningless choice. Anyone can be anything anytime, so who or what you've grown yourself to be ends up being irrelevant. There's so many times where this comes into play.
1. People want you to swap to the job that is most effective for the situation, all the time; too bad if you want to play X, you're forced to play Y or be kicked. In FFXI I'm sure this happened too, but mid dungeon they're like "we're against coincounter? you can't play melee, swap to ranged now or we're kicking." This happened for many encounters. In other games such as FFXI it was like "I know that job you're playing isn't THE BEST for the situation, but I'm sure we'll get by." People also don't seem to understand that just because you have the class/job doesn't mean you want to play it and doesn't mean you are experienced/geared/skilled with it. I played WHM a lot and sometimes I was asked to go BLM and I said I probably wasn't going to be comfortable with it (lack of gear, didn't play it enough to feel safe on enmity, didn't want to take the risk) and people just didn't seem to understand why I wouldn't go BLM for them (and I was seen as rude).
2. It's not fun when you're like "oh check out my cool dragoon armor and lance" and the other guy goes "oh yeah" and just swaps to it too immediately. It ruins individuality, and gets rid of the ability to say "I AM A DRAGOON" (because technically you can be anything anytime). The class/job choice you make is meaningless, and you just don't have that good feeling about it. I understand people can swap jobs in FFXI too, but anyone can be anything anytime... I want to feel good about having Carbuncle walk around with me, and yet anyone can have him out with them with a push of a button.
3. A large portion of the reason everyone levels up every class/job is because it's so easy. Swap your weapon, gg good to go. It's difficult to feel accomplished saying like "I am a level 50 WHM" in your party. Not only does most of the party have that too, they'll be like "oh I can just switch to that." Sure, you can switch at your house or whatever in FFXI, but that was a LOT more effort to take for a lot of reasons (gotta have the gear which was harder to fully get, had to have the high level job which was harder, and had to spend a long time going back to who knows where to switch and come back). You were appreciated for playing that class, you had individuality, you felt good; in this game, who cares. If a party is 7/8 and just needs a WHM, instead of looking for that dedicated soul who actually is skilled and geared and loves the class, it's just "I'll just switch to WHM" *equip staff*. In worse situations, someone who loves their job (that dedicated dragoon guy) is forced to play WHM because the party is pressuring him to (they know he has WHM).
In FFXIV 2.0, I'm gonna want to main Summoner. But, what bums me out, is that EVERYONE is going to be leveling it at launch, even though a lot of people have zero interest in it. They're just doing it "because they can." Yeah I know a lot of people want to see the lower level content and don't have any other classes to experience it, but still... what's going to set me apart from the people that are just "summonerlols" and me, a serious dedicated person to the job? It should feel like a strong dedication and others should be like "wow, you got that far with summoner/you have that much gear/SOMETHING" rather than just *swap weapon* "yup I'm as good as you now."
I'm finding it difficult to articulate my point, but I hope you understand.
And I know I posted this in another thread, but I felt it was a slightly different topic and the content of the post deserved its own thread.
EDIT: Here's a good post by IronSoup that also explain some of what I'm trying to say:
Quote
In FFXIV, it is fairly easy to be good in any jobs it has to offer compared to FFXI where you needed skills to be able to simply play the job correctly. Even mastering a job is easier than it was in FFXI. Based on that and being an old FFXI player, I have a hard time feeling proud or using the word dedication to master a job since I put more time and efforts doing the same in FFXI.
Unless they completely change the gameplay, I don't think I'll ever feel the same pride in my main job as I did in FFXI or need to dedicate myself to a single job to master it. The level of effort needed is lower so the feeling of accomplishment is also lower.
Here's more from me:
Quote
Also, even if you're playing a warrior in a 2.0 dungeon, how easy is it gonna be for you to grab gear for your alternate jobs? Most of the time, you don't even have to play that job and you end up gearing it just because "hey look I got an garuda bow, now my archer is pro." That's not dedication to archer at all, you just happened to grab a bow playing a different class. If you were forced to play archer in order to get archer equipment, and some archer guy had TONS of great archer gear... now that's dedication.
A rare, but insightful post by Crevox, who is voicing his opinion on the armory/job system and the issues he has with taking pride in the class/job played by the players. What do you guys think? Should changes be made with the way classes can be switched on the fly, should there be more pride being taken in the job/class played? Let us know!
More...