Dowzer said:
1. You weren't there.
2. We shouldn't have been there in the first place.
3. None of this would have happened, if we had a free time slot.
4. Calbrone schdeduled this event even though he knew OH would probably show up on their time slot.
5. I was ignored multiple times while we were gathering...Maybe not ignored but you leaders know who you are. My requests as a leader went ignored. I said WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE IF OH ARRIVES. THIS IS NOT OUR TIME SLOT.
Say what you want......But I believe this all could have been avoided.
As for killing the Kirin that we popped with our seals.......Congratulations on the free work, as I said before....You guys don't deserve that, which is why I ran around trying to CFH. I really could care less how childish you think this is. We CFH on the Summons and only small handfull of people helped us, I know you're not entitled to help.....but c'mon, we were obviously struggling. Most of you chose to stand there and wait. Those who helped us, like Reality..Thank you, I hope I can repay the favor.
And like Proph said, get it Fran...Get Kirin!!!
Pfffffft. Vultures.
That being said, I want to apologize on behalf of our sloppy leaders who planned this on your scheduled day and didn't listen to me. We should not have been there in the first place.
BOTH LINKSHELLS (OH AND BOL) ARE IN THE WRONG. We popped on OH's day, and they took it from us as we were wiping.
As for offering your help, I really hope my other members can see this the way I do...I appreciate the offer and may /tell you guys if we are low on BLM's. We know we can kill him, so if you don't get a /tell don't take it the wrong way, please.
As for offering Kirin's Pole, that would mean a lot..As losing a set of seals will hurt any sky LS.
I hope this topic can be put to rest, it's become a broken record.
In the future, I hope we can work together.
Take care.
I don't reallly post on often on the flameboard because I don't trust any word of it here, but this situation has gotten bad and needs to end. What Dow said there is basically it.
As a lead in BoL, the way I look at it, both sides were wrong on this whole thing.
1) BoL still popped and didn't even bother to ask if OH was even gonna come up and pop and not causing frustration and anger which lead to conflict and hence the rumors/pressuring BoL got from OH in that OH were gonna steal their Kirin. Bottomline, all of this could've been prevented and alot of headaches not caused if BoL hadn't been there in the first place.
2) OH claimed BoL's Kirin, when it went unclaimed and BoL wiped. Last time I checked Kirin was different from HNM. I mean you don't see a "???" in Dragon's Aery for Fafnir/Nidhogg do you? Just because BoL wiped, that doesn't justify the fact that OH decided to claim Kirin. OH did nothing to earn those pop items and like Dowzer stated, OH got it free. And if you're gonna run that "It would just be a waste for it to despawn" crap, how the hell would you like it if you farmed the eyes for your haku cluster, wiped, and then have a group claim Haku just because they you were wiping and keep the O-hat for themselves.
All these other excuses of "Oh, BoL told OH they could take it" and "BoL would've done the samething to OH" is just utter and classic bullshit. Bottomline, OH took something that wasn't there's to begin with, and if you wanna bring in "Well, BoL don't deserve the drops either because they didn't kill Kirin" Then it goes back to the argument of "why didn't OH just let Kirin despawn in the first place if OH knew that if they took Kirin, they wouldn't give anything to BoL even tho it wasn't their pop items used." Answer to that I think Vang said it best when he said, "OH just sees BoL, NH, etc. as scrub LSes and take out their frustrations on them."
For the record: I was the one that popped Kirin, but I clearly remember saying "I AM NOT POPPING, IF EVERYONE ISN'T READY" in LS chat, and was still given the "Greenlight" anyway when ppl didn't tell me that THE KEY MEMBERS WERE AFK. If you're gonna call me stupid or w/e, FUCK OFF, because I was given the "OK" and so I popped it.
Bottomline, BoL and OH are wrong on this, but everyone has their own opinion and both sides have their strong points on it. It just comes down to who's opinion out-numbers the other.
As far as some of OH's members offering their help and such. Thank you and your wanting to help is appreciated, but if it's all apart of some sick joke based on pettiness and piety you can just shove it up your ass. I'm sorry for the rude comment there, but everything is online said here is online and for all I know you could've laughed your ass off while typing that you would help.
As one of the BoL leads, I request to have this thread locked, cause it pretty much was done with Dow's post right there. And I apologize to my fellow BoL members that had to go thru this event especially if this were their first Kirin at that. This was a leadership mistake and could've been avoided, but wasn't, therefore, as one of the leads of BoL, I apologize.