lotting for looks = meh

[Kalendor]

Kalendor, I use axe/sword, the absolute best combination that a 75WAR can use in a merit situation, where merit points are used

With warrior it's a little different with regards to gear, in my personal opinion it goes like this

Haste > Attack > Accuracy > STR

Oh and if you actually believe great axe is better in merit parties than Axe, well... I really don't have anything to tell you there, except you're very very wrong

I didn't say that, errr, I'm just saying you have less attack than a MNK/WAR because u're using Axe which is rated A-, compared to H2H for MNK which is A+. If I remember, the difference is 10 skills at 75 which is huge. I'm proposing an explanation that you don't "observe" the same thing as Skaw that's all. He definitely needs less accuracy than you for instance.

As for your WAR setup, it's really a question of opinion wrt to Haste, again. If you're rich enough to get lots of it, a Haste setup is nice. For the rest, I agree for Attack>Acc.>STR, that's what I do.

 

[Skaw]

Difference between A+ and A- = 7 Skill levels = 7 Accuracy and 7 Attack.

This is not correct, I've seen parses where Togi wins, head to the KI MNK boards, I'm sure you can find quite a few of them

Ofcourse, those are the same lot that think macro swapping out ACC gear for STR/VIT on Weaponskills is a dumb thing to do. Yeah, sorry KI MNKs, VIT+15 > ACC+10 on freaking Asuran. You could be blind and still land all 8 hits. The amount of Togi favored parsed results I've seen aren't nearly as numerous as Osode favoring results.

But, it's also not like the damage differences are "zomg amazing" between the two pieces, either. But to ignore the other things an Osode provides for Monks is just plain retarded. I Chi Blast in EXP PT's a lot, I end up tanking.. a lot(And wish my Guard would finally get into the 200s.) I'm 99% sure AGI affects counter. When I CS, with Seiryu's on, it really seems to affect it heavily.

I agree, Togi's more than likely the winner on Statues. But you aren't carting a MNK around to those most of the time, atleast, I'd hope not. As much as I love the job, I know where we fall short at. I think I've exped on them once in the last.. 8 months?

 

[Skaw]

Oh, and about Statues.. the 5 ACC difference between the two pieces isn't going to influence much, I hit them well enough. I just hate seeing 80's/160crits compared to 100+/189.

 

[Stouter]

in Kirin you run around (In most shells atleast besides the best ones where pretty much everyone got it) in circles and kite him.Now for that you need vit hp evasion and haste! Tada there we go.Str dex agi int ... won't help at all.

Since when do you need all that stuff to kite kirin? I had no trouble kiting him as rng, with lower VIT and evasion than your war. The one thing you need is hp, for his moves that go through shadows. A thf/nin with evasion gear can't count on evading against kirin, you sure as hell can't with 50 less base evasion. Haste is nice, but if you're losing shadows that fast, you shouldn't be kiting, someone that knows what they're doing should be.

And we all know how many ninja-s get parties if they have "DD only" on their comment

A well equipped ninja can out DD a well equipped war/nin in a deco weapon party, while tanking. I'll take a nin/war over a war/nin any day, they take a lot less damage, while dealing more out.

9 Points for Ninja applicable uses for an Osode. I'm not going to count hate as a benefit, honestly, since it applies to all jobs


STR - Damage, And secondary WS Mod attribute (2 Pts)
DEX - Accuracy and Crit Rate (2 Pts)
VIT = Less Damage Taken, Secondary WS Mod Attribute, Chakra bonus if you're not using Temple Cyclas[I know some of you weird MNKs out there don't](3 Pts)
AGI - Parry/Guard, Evasion, Alleged boost to Counter(3 Pts)
INT - Nothing.(0)
MND - Chi Blast (1 Pt)


11 Applicable uses for Osode for MNK. Not to say a Ninja doesn't make great use out of it, they do. But saying that they get the most out of it is lol.

If you're gonna count your 3 points for alleged boost to counter, you need to give ninja some points for alleged boost to voke from CHR. The only thing that mnk can claim from your list that ninja can't is chi blast and counter.

Yes osode is nice for all jobs that can equip it, but the one thing you're missing from your rng vs mnk aruguement is this: it's hands down the greatest piece of DD equip in the game for rng. You can combine the #2 #3 and #4 pieces, and they still won't add up to osode. Can you say the same about mnk?

 

[Reality]

A well equipped ninja can out DD an average equipped war/nin in a deco weapon party, while tanking.

fixed

if you've ever seen a war/nin with maneater/ridill, it's just not even close to what a nin/war can produce in damage, even with a haste + dd build in gear

 

[Kalendor]

nin/war and war/nin are very similar if well equipped on deco weapons actually, and one more shadow doesn't make that much of a difference if 4 WAR/NIN are there, I don't see how they take "more damage", it's all blinked away anyway if they don't forget to recast.

 

[Stouter]

nin/war and war/nin are very similar if well equipped on deco weapons actually, and one more shadow doesn't make that much of a difference if 4 WAR/NIN are there, I don't see how they take "more damage", it's all blinked away anyway if they don't forget to recast.

The difference is that:
-When they have hate, ninja even in DD gear will evade some of the swings, war/nin will rarely see an evade.
-How many shadows AoE moves (whirl of rage) take is based on ninjitsu skill. Nin/war with one shadow up would take no damage while a war/nin with only one shadow up would lose that shadow and take damage in many cases. If you're gonna sit back and not pull hate, and recast every single whirl, you're not gonna do as much damage.

A well equipped ninja can out DD an average equipped war/nin in a deco weapon party, while tanking.

fixed

if you've ever seen a war/nin with maneater/ridill, it's just not even close to what a nin/war can produce in damage, even with a haste + dd build in gear

I've seen that build on warriors before, and seen them on a level ground with ninjas in the same party, ninjas that were tanking on top of dealing their damage.

 

[Skaw]

Can you say the same about mnk?

Did you miss Page 2/3? Yes, I can say it's the same for MNK.

 

[Stouter]

Did you miss Page 2/3? Yes, I can say it's the same for MNK.

So you're saying that osode is better than black belt, o-kote/aky braclets, and forager's mantle combined?

 

[Foofighter]

Yet again another concept in WoW missing in FFXI.Do you really think a tanking job like ninja that needs evasion to evade shit needs the osode before a warrior/mnk who all they do is melee?

Are you serious? Warrior endgame bodypiece is not even an Osode. Monk is debateable. How do you think a Ninja holds hate at 75? You are cool ingame but why do you continue to make stupid comments on these boards.
~Foofighter

 

[Kire]

I helped an XP party kill Ose when I was skilling up dagger in the area and their BRD won lot over everyone when it should have just been the melees and myself lotting. It's rather amusing now that I think about it, but if I could go back I'd just ignore their request for help and solo his weak ass.

ose oped 2 times n 16hrs i saw 2 drops i got lot 998 r brd was pissed XD

 

[Kire]

Kalendor, I use axe/sword, the absolute best combination that a 75WAR can use in a merit situation, where merit points are used

With warrior it's a little different with regards to gear, in my personal opinion it goes like this

Haste > Attack > Accuracy > STR

Oh and if you actually believe great axe is better in merit parties than Axe, well... I really don't have anything to tell you there, except you're very very wrong

war war war war brd whm
if 1 war is /thf with gaxe then works great

 

[Skaw]

So you're saying that osode is better than black belt, o-kote/aky braclets, and forager's mantle combined?

:wacko: For the slot, it's the greatest piece of equipment.


Are you saying Osode is better than Amemet+1, Seiryu's/Crimson Fng. Gauntlets, and Ninurta's Sash combined?

 

[Stouter]

:wacko: For the slot, it's the greatest piece of equipment.


Are you saying Osode is better than Amemet+1, Seiryu's/Crimson Fng. Gauntlets, and Ninurta's Sash combined?

Ninurta's Sash? How is that even practical for rng? But you obviously see my point when you're looking for the #4 piece of DD gear for rng, and come up with a duh, umm... It's also a piece that for all practical reasons doesn't exist, comparable to fully upgraded relic.

When you look at DD gear for rng, we have very, very little. Osode is better than the next 3 pieces combined, Because the only slots that provides more than 3 STR besides RSE are rings and wyvern helm, and the only stots that provide a practical amount of Ratt are crimson finger gauntlets and amemet+1.

 

[Reality]

war war war war brd whm
if 1 war is /thf with gaxe then works great

shit would die faster if that war/thf were a war/nin, and thus faster chains

and yes i'm aware you're using the war/thf for breaks, which are pretty useless at 75 merit parties unless you're fighting IT monsters or w/e

 

[Legomyeggo]

war war war war brd whm
if 1 war is /thf with gaxe then works great

We've already come to the conclusion that you never know what the fuck you're talking about. Ever.

 

[meeze]

We've already come to the conclusion that you never know what the fuck you're talking about. Ever.

Dude, he's 7/24 on LoO, including one yesterday that he's splitting with only 2 others. Respect the man...

 

[Stouter]

shit would die faster if that war/thf were a war/nin, and thus faster chains

and yes i'm aware you're using the war/thf for breaks, which are pretty useless at 75 merit parties unless you're fighting IT monsters or w/e

LOL you're giving way too much credit to that noob, I'm sure the /thf is for TH.

 

[wolfskymoon]

nerds

 

[Reality]

LOL you're giving way too much credit to that noob, I'm sure the /thf is for TH.

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