Meastoso and Garbageman Pauk

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With more people in one LS there is less in another. With a concentration of people in one area, there are less in another. I get the feeling you never played a real PvP game. WoW doesn't count because that is just a cheap knockoff of DAoC's RvR. It's not as hectic as everyone thinks it to be, and people actually have more respect for others because unless you are a complete moron, you don't just run around mindlessly PKing people. That's what starts guild wars and most times that ends in a guild falling apart and then people join the winning guild making them stronger because they now have more people. But you don't think it could work because you never did it. It most deffinatly can work and has worked before. Nothing is impossible and just because you are greedy and want all drops to yourself, dosen't mean people won't still do it.
 
Zalbag said:
Do you need any help in say makes you look guilty. You could've easily have opened the door for him. Not to mention if he had claimed two mobs you could've also taken 1. You're playing dumb. Of corse he needed help that was clear. You had not intention of helping him. Did you try and claim his 2nd mob? Did you run to open the door you had most likely just closed? Your story has far to many holes in it.
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Are any of these reasons a reason to get suspeneded? Basically your saying because he didnt help, he should be suspended. He doesnt have to open doors for anyone; he doesnt have to pull a mob off of anyone that got aggro. No one does. Yes, he could be nice about it, but he chose not to be. Do you think that because you are in kaizen that somehow entitles you to help from anyone else? Yet how many people do you guys help in situations where you are being cc'd? I didnt see any of your members helping at AV that one time, should a GM have been called?
 
Sirelrohir said:
Are any of these reasons a reason to get suspeneded? Basically your saying because he didnt help, he should be suspended. He doesnt have to open doors for anyone; he doesnt have to pull a mob off of anyone that got aggro. No one does. Yes, he could be nice about it, but he chose not to be. Do you think that because you are in kaizen that somehow entitles you to help from anyone else? Yet how many people do you guys help in situations where you are being cc'd? I didnt see any of your members helping at AV that one time, should a GM have been called?
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And personally I'd be wary of helping just about anyone in that situation. I'd ask first too cuz a lot of times people just freak out about you claiming their extra mob and whatnot...
 
Just to state the obvious, if your puller has to pass a door to pull while up in sky and you don't have anyone close enough to flip a switch in case the door gets closed on them during the pull, you're doing it wrong. This applies to xp pts and anything else up there as well. Do you send your pullers out to grab Faust and drag him to the teleporter without leaving someone to open the door in case it gets closed? I certainly hope not, unless you're just a fan of killing off your allies.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Are any of these reasons a reason to get suspeneded? Basically your saying because he didnt help, he should be suspended. He doesnt have to open doors for anyone; he doesnt have to pull a mob off of anyone that got aggro. No one does. Yes, he could be nice about it, but he chose not to be. Do you think that because you are in kaizen that somehow entitles you to help from anyone else? Yet how many people do you guys help in situations where you are being cc'd? I didnt see any of your members helping at AV that one time, should a GM have been called?
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That's an incredibly stupid comparison, only an idiot would expect help from a competitor for HNM; whereas with exp you'd have to be a dick to not help if you can. They could have easily benefited from taking one of the two mobs; there was really no good reason not to. If he closed the door to get them killed, which it sounds like he wanted them to die since he didn't take one of the mobs so his group could get the exp, then that would be an mpk(or at the very least harassment/griefing) and you'd get suspended for it.
 
Bajaratt said:
That's an incredibly stupid comparison, only an idiot would expect help from a competitor for HNM; whereas with exp you'd have to be a dick to not help if you can. They could have easily benefited from taking one of the two mobs; there was really no good reason not to. If he closed the door to get them killed, which it sounds like he wanted them to die since he didn't take one of the mobs so his group could get the exp, then that would be an mpk(or at the very least harassment/griefing) and you'd get suspended for it.
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LOL, that post just made me laugh at how much stupidy people perpetrate in this game. So you are bound to help people because they are leveling? Funny, I must of missed that part of the agreement. Section 2, Article 17- You must help out any person you see that is getting killed by any non-player character{NPC} or you will be subject to greifing and MPK rules...
 
Shaunessy said:
LOL, that post just made me laugh at how much stupidy people perpetrate in this game. So you are bound to help people because they are leveling? Funny, I must of missed that part of the agreement. Section 2, Article 17- You must help out any person you see that is getting killed by any non-player character{NPC} or you will be subject to greifing and MPK rules...
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No dumbass, not helping someone isn't griefing, but deliberately killing them is griefing. There's also no reason to not help someone in an exp setting besides being a dick, assuming you're not fighting at the moment.
 
Bajaratt said:
That's an incredibly stupid comparison, only an idiot would expect help from a competitor for HNM; whereas with exp you'd have to be a dick to not help if you can. They could have easily benefited from taking one of the two mobs; there was really no good reason not to. If he closed the door to get them killed, which it sounds like he wanted them to die since he didn't take one of the mobs so his group could get the exp, then that would be an mpk(or at the very least harassment/griefing) and you'd get suspended for it.
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Its the same comparison on a different scale. Because you are too ignorant to see that doesnt make it 'stupid' (lolaggies). The fact of the matter is, your ls member bitched that meatso didnt get help. WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANYONE HELP YOU GUYS?? Just because you are in kaizen (or a kaizen groupie) doesnt mean you can demand help from others. Dont expect anyone to drop what they are doing for you guys.

Fubio asked if he needed help, yet got no responce. How does that make him a dick? He offered to help. As for the doors, you damn well know how that shit works up there. It could have been anyone that closed those doors. Hell if fubio was close enough to pull away from meaty, that means he wasnt flipping the switch. Fact of the matter is, alot of people do not think too highly of you, and because of that are not gonna go out of their way to help you guys out. Thats what happens when you have the attitude that you apparantly have.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Its the same comparison on a different scale. Because you are too ignorant to see that doesnt make it 'stupid' (lolaggies). The fact of the matter is, your ls member bitched that meatso didnt get help. WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANYONE HELP YOU GUYS?? Just because you are in kaizen (or a kaizen groupie) doesnt mean you can demand help from others. Dont expect anyone to drop what they are doing for you guys.

Fubio asked if he needed help, yet got no responce. How does that make him a dick? He offered to help. As for the doors, you damn well know how that shit works up there. It could have been anyone that closed those doors. Hell if fubio was close enough to pull away from meaty, that means he wasnt flipping the switch. Fact of the matter is, alot of people do not think too highly of you, and because of that are not gonna go out of their way to help you guys out. Thats what happens when you have the attitude that you apparantly have.
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If you notice, you're the only one making this about linkshells; no one else cares what LS the people involved are in. Plus, I'm not in kaizen, but I still think it was a dick move; so linkshell has no bearing.
 
Only because you were on the short end. Ask your self this, if I was up there and you were in Fubios position, would you help me? Don't lie now to save face on your proclaimed morals.
 
Shaunessy said:
Only because you were on the short end. Ask your self this, if I was up there and you were in Fubios position, would you help me? Don't lie now to save face on your proclaimed morals.
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I would, I've done it countless times before and I'll do it countless times more.
 
Raesvelg said:
Honestly, I'm more curious to see whether Pauk and/or Meast (and/or someone else who was there, to be honest) confirm Fubio's offer to help. Offering to help someone in /say doesn't make you an MPK'er, nor does it make them look guilty. It's an offer to assist someone who's in need of assistance, and if they choose to ignore it it simply makes them look petty. If they choose to call a GM on that person afterwards it makes them look downright spiteful.

Having a door get closed on you in Sky also doesn't exactly require there to be someone at a neighboring camp trying to fuck you over. God knows I've had to brave the wrath of Faust enough times when some fucker is playing with the doors.
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In most situations I'd agree 100%. Thing is though Fubio and the people who were present during this situation aren’t exactly on the best of terms. They're not likely to help each other out if they were in trouble. Thus when he translated in /s Do you need any help? It does seem a little fishy. Not to mention that the monoliths that control the gate are a few seconds away from where Fubio was. If his goal was to be pulling for his party when he was heading for the gate and if he noticed the gate was down why didn’t he turn back to get the button? He can't exactly reach his mobs through the gate. Not to mention that your visibility isn't exactly the best when the gate is down. You'd have to be standing right by the gate to see a taru stuck on the other side, which is the race meastoso is.

If Fubio's task at the time was to pull mobs he would've been going back to hit the switch that some other pt might've just closed. But instead he was standing there to see the taru die. My guess is he laughed about it in ls or /p and the GM's read his chat logs. As we all know GM's don't take action without evidence. But again I wasn't there but from what was said I personally came to this conclusion.


Sirelrohir said:
Are any of these reasons a reason to get suspeneded? Basically your saying because he didnt help, he should be suspended. He doesnt have to open doors for anyone; he doesnt have to pull a mob off of anyone that got aggro. No one does. Yes, he could be nice about it, but he chose not to be. Do you think that because you are in kaizen that somehow entitles you to help from anyone else? Yet how many people do you guys help in situations where you are being cc'd? I didnt see any of your members helping at AV that one time, should a GM have been called?
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What is with you and your blatant hate for Kaizen? Yes, I'm a member in Kaizen. No, I don't expect people to bend over backwards because I'm in the shell. And as for AV we had 3 members watching it. 2/3 was under lv60. They were told ask if our shell was trying to steal it. And no. I don't think if someone doesn't help that it makes them guilty. Read my response above I provided the reasons on which I came to that conclusion. Your posts are becoming more and more childish. I like how you turned a kaizen member being possibly mpk'd into a kaizen hate speech.

For the record sire. I am in Kaizen. I'm not kaizen. It is a shell full of many different people. 90% of which have done absolutely nothing to you. Try to keep that in mind the next time you feel the need to bash the shell as a whole.
 
Bajaratt said:
If you notice, you're the only one making this about linkshells; no one else cares what LS the people involved are in. Plus, I'm not in kaizen, but I still think it was a dick move; so linkshell has no bearing.
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Baja, unfortunatly people do care what linkshell other people are from when they decide whether or not to help. When there are people in that ls that consistantly show a terrible attitude, unfortunatly everyone gets lumped in. You arent in kaizen, but if i read correctly you were in the xp party. Fubio had/has an issue with someone in that party. It seems that they dont like each other much. Yet, going back to zalbag's post, he was expected to help.

People do not get along, sometimes due the the ls they are in, and sometimes due to personal reasons. Would I have helped in that situation? Actually i probably would have, since pauk was there. He was in a ls of mine before, and I never had any issues with him. Would I have helped if certain others in that ls were there? definatly not, for reasons im sure everyone knows.

Now, the question is, how is fubio standing there asking if anyone needs help a bannable offence? I dont know fubio well. However, the doors in the shrine drive me up the wall. With different people running through theres no telling when a door will open or close.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Baja, unfortunatly people do care what linkshell other people are from when they decide whether or not to help. When there are people in that ls that consistantly show a terrible attitude, unfortunatly everyone gets lumped in. You arent in kaizen, but if i read correctly you were in the xp party. Fubio had/has an issue with someone in that party. It seems that they dont like each other much. Yet, going back to zalbag's post, he was expected to help.
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I never said he was expected to help. I said asking someone for help knowing they clearly needed it is pointless. If he had intended to help he would've hit the monolith which was a few secs behind him. Instead he asked and stood there.
 
The whole point is that even if Fubio WAS trying to mpk (I wasn't there, so can't say either way), someone in Meastoso's pt should've been there to flip a switch to let him through. This is common sense if you spend time in sky. You KNOW the doors are gonna be moving, so you'd best be prepared. As for not just voking a mob off of Meas anyway (assuming he asked in say, which again no one who wasn't there can prove either way)....

Fubio said:
Now this is just an assumption, but im assuming he was just embarrassed that he voked one mob, then another popped and he claimed it with Hojo Ni, and didnt make it back to camp.
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Now, assuming this is true, what's to say that even if Fubio had tried to snag one that he would've been able to build enough hate to get it off of Meas? He might've just claimed it but had it stick on Meas, and THAT would've been mpk. As it stands, it sounds like he did offer help, which if I were in his position I personally wouldn't have even offered since Meas was being greedy with his pulling.

So, who is wrong here? The group with the puller pulling two mobs that doesn't have the foresight to leave someone at a switch to help their greedy puller out, or a group that closes a gate intentionally (which I'm not saying they did, but just for the sake of this argument we'll say they did)? This topic could go either way depending on the "what ifs", so really it's pretty much pointless.
 
When you've got 2 parties CCing each other for XP mobs... okay, I'm polite to a point. If I was there first and your prescence is affecting my XP, I'll mention that fact in /say and ask if you could possibly find another camp. If you don't, I'll not piss & moan about it, but you can consider yourself out of luck if something happens and you need help.

That's the standard to which I hold myself as well, I might add. If I move in on your camp and I'm affecting your XP, you're well within your rights to let me die in the event of something going awry. It's been done before, I've no doubt it will be done again, and I don't feel the need to get bent out of shape over someone else not helping when they weren't asked to do so. I might be a little upset if I ask for help and it's refused, but I'm not gonna call a GM over that.

Controlling the gates in a malicious fashion, however, is something else entirely. The problem is that we don't know who was controlling the gates when, and I'm not even sure if the GMs can tell either. If Fubio has been jailed for MPK some time in the past (back when it was easy, lol) it's entirely possible that the accusation alone would be enough to get him suspended.
 
First off, Crosis, We camp every single day, JP time NA time every day. And we still have less claims then anyone else that camps Faf/Nid besides CK and Element. So what the fuck are you talking about? How can you seriously say we have more claims then you and integralis and pers? Im totaly confused here.
Ok about me talking to you about how gimp I am, um.. lol? When do i ever talk to you? You are nothing to me, i dont go out of my way to /tell you and talk about how gimp i am, wtf are you talking about? That is ridiculous..
Baja! You were fucking there, you know i didnt MPK him, but you arent sticking up for me, wtf??? I didnt realize you had a problem with me. I WAS NO WHERE NEAR ANY SWITCHES EVER. I was casting absorb dex on a mob, MEASTOSO ran in and voked it. So another pops. i run over to it, start casting absorb dex, he fucking Hojo Ni's it.
Zalbag, i should help him? Why? Cuz he took 2 mobs i was in the process to claim? I offered help, I SERIOUSLY SWEAR TO GOD offered help. He ignored me. HE knows i offered help and thats fucked up that they GM'd me for MPKing. There is 0 chance whatsoever i could have possibly been the one to close the doors considering i was out pulling RIGHT NEXT TO MEASTOSO. Kaizen has a problem with me, so they make it personal by GMing me for MPK. And fuck you Baja, you were fucking there and wont even tell them what happened, thats fucked up. Surely you had to have seen who was near the switches, my pt was all JP, all i could see was "wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" had nothing to fuckign do with me. I could go run and open the door? CLear across on the other side of the room? Give mea break, i offered to help, i was ignored. Maybe he shoudl have kept his ego in check and he wouldnt have died.

On another note, ive never been accused of MPK before, ive never been GM'd for it or anything like that. And our pt was there for a good 45 minutes or so before they showed up. We came to sky to get away from the idiots in Mire like these guys.. that flood xp camps instead of just finding there own. /sigh
 
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