Meastoso and Garbageman Pauk

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sirelrohir said:
Oh crosis, will you ever learn? Did I ever say that I condone hacking? Do me a favor and quote me where I said that. No, of course not. I said I would not abandon my friend b/c according to some website they hacked. Like I said, this is a game. Unlike you, I value my friends. You just value yourself. Its ok kid, you'll grow out of it. Now, be a good little sport and go listen to some my chemical romance (i think i got it right this time).

Now for hypocrasy. You are one of the people that were gung ho about outting others as hackers. You do this based on absolutly no proof what so ever and based purely on hearsay. Then when the same thing happens to one of your friends, well, apparantly its not ok. You go so far as to say that a person shouldnt base rumors on hearsay. Its funny that you do not see the hypocrasy in this. Open your eyes little guy.

You also contend that kabrina's sources were right. Fact is, she apparantly was only partly right. She lied about at least 2 other people in her statement. You know, the part pertaining to myself and meridith. But you dont mention this. On top of that, you defend your friend, jamal, that was outted as a hacker, and was a member of kaizen at one point. Yes, thats right, people know he was hacking while in your shell. Your shell does do what you complain about others. But no, your not a hypocrite, right? Then there was the uli stones that you buy from rmt, then claim that you didnt know they were rmt. Are you telling me that you truly are that dumb?

As for me being better then you. Well, in this case you are right. But it has nothing to do with the game. It has to do with your attitude. So, the next time you decide to slit your wrists, just remember, your shell and friends hack, just as much as anyone else.


I'm not gonna read it, but I will quote you and give you a hearty STFU. You still look like a dumbass. Everything you've said over the past month has probably meant less since you started your pathetic crusade.
 
Firestreak said:
The sword skill in gear is stats you're taking away from other gear you can possible equip. The dual wield helps axe/axe warriors as much as axe/sword warriors and yes I know suppanomi already has both. (Not that everyone can get one, there are people out there who picked another earring for other jobs.)

First off, you're arguing any possible setup. If the person is too fucking retarded to realize that Suppanomimi is pretty much the best choice of all the possible earrings (assuming you're a melee excluding hardcore Samurai who'd never level Warrior or you thought you were a hardcore Paladin) then the Ridill should go to someone else who can actually make more use out of it. Also, the slots you're going to be using +sword skill in don't have +haste available in the same slot (ie neck).

Firestreak said:
The thing here is when you are considering being an axe/sword warrior, you have to consider the benefits and the drawbacks. It's been parsed and generally agreed upon that an axe/joyeuse war is not going to beat an axe/axe warrior, what we're looking for is having the boost of a sword to be good enough to justify losing the weapon you're best in on your offhand as well as 16 attack and 16 accuracy in your main hand. Which is why things like having 5 more attack in both hands, like you'd get from speed>sash, or 10 more attack and 2 more haste, like from swift to sash, may tip the scale and make the axe/axe warrior yet again, more efficient.

Or you can use a Ridill and TP faster. What's so hard to understand here? Maneater + Ridill go.

Firesteak said:
Not even to mention the bonus for endgame of 6 subtle blow, 6 interupt... can be used by ninja... can be traded...

Ninja != Warrior

If you have both leveled, Ridill is still the superior choice if you have to choose between the two.

Firestreak said:
Well the best would be for WAR a ridill and a sash...

Well, obviously. However, you can get haste in the belt slot without that sash.
 
Antor said:
If the person is too fucking retarded to realize that Suppanomimi is pretty much the best choice of all the possible earrings...
Only if you plan to play war/nin/thf for the rest of your life, for pretty much every other job, it's crap.
 
Last edited:
Antor said:
First off, you're arguing any possible setup. If the person is too fucking retarded to realize that Suppanomimi is pretty much the best choice of all the possible earrings (assuming you're a melee excluding hardcore Samurai who'd never level Warrior or you thought you were a hardcore Paladin) then the Ridill should go to someone else who can actually make more use out of it. Also, the slots you're going to be using +sword skill in don't have +haste available in the same slot (ie neck).

Now by "many pieces" you're talking about 1 item. Also, not to be a dick but you're lvl 73, which means leveling up now. As in years ago when people like me were exping, the game was different. As in, no tp burns on VT mobs, nobody with sky gear, king gear, merits or AF2 and the jobs balanced differently. Trying to say someone is "retarded" for their choice of earrings back then is like... well ignorant, I'd say.
 
Bigboy said:
I'm not gonna read it, but I will quote you and give you a hearty STFU. You still look like a dumbass. Everything you've said over the past month has probably meant less since you started your pathetic crusade.

Touched a nerve?
 
<-hardcore drk, no plans to level war/thf/nin, has Abyssal Earring.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Oh crosis, will you ever learn? Did I ever say that I condone hacking? Do me a favor and quote me where I said that. No, of course not. I said I would not abandon my friend b/c according to some website they hacked. Like I said, this is a game. Unlike you, I value my friends. You just value yourself. Its ok kid, you'll grow out of it. Now, be a good little sport and go listen to some my chemical romance (i think i got it right this time).

You condone hacking by continuing to associate with said hackers. I only value myself? Please if I only valued myself I wouldn't be here defending my LS against fucktards like yourself who just make up bullshit to make himself feel better.

Sirelrohir said:
Now for hypocrasy. You are one of the people that were gung ho about outting others as hackers. You do this based on absolutly no proof what so ever and based purely on hearsay. Then when the same thing happens to one of your friends, well, apparantly its not ok. You go so far as to say that a person shouldnt base rumors on hearsay. Its funny that you do not see the hypocrasy in this. Open your eyes little guy.

You really don't give up do you? Myself and this entire forum had proof, you refused to logon. The same thing did NOT happen to one of my friends. No evidence was brought forth, all we had was one person claiming something to be true. Heck Chasym went after Hellstorm for hacking, did I ever once call your bud Hellstorm out for it? Nope, because Chasym didn't provide any proof. He did however provide proof for Cyronae and Grayswander. YOU provided the proof of you hacking all by yourself. That's not being a hypocrite you damn moron because it isn't the same thing. You fail at comprehending.

Sirelrohir said:
You also contend that kabrina's sources were right. Fact is, she apparantly was only partly right. She lied about at least 2 other people in her statement. You know, the part pertaining to myself and meridith. But you dont mention this. On top of that, you defend your friend, jamal, that was outted as a hacker, and was a member of kaizen at one point. Yes, thats right, people know he was hacking while in your shell. Your shell does do what you complain about others. But no, your not a hypocrite, right? Then there was the uli stones that you buy from rmt, then claim that you didnt know they were rmt. Are you telling me that you truly are that dumb?

How do we not know they weren't all right? She got the majority correct, Chasym just didn't have anything on you because you weren't in that LS. Unfortunately, because you would of fit right in with your hacking buds. Jamal was outted by who? Chasym? Only by his word he is outted as hacker? Sorry Chasyms word isn't 100% credible. Now if had provided proof like he did against many of your friends that would of been different.

People knew he was hacking in our shell? I'm sorry please show me where that information was ever stated and you did not just make it up some more BS. You have shown no proof nor evidence that what we do is something other hacking LS's do. I'm still waiting to hear why you hate Kaizen so much. Which you have yet to say Mr. Emo. Even though we know the reason is because of Tiamat. But you keep telling yourself it was something before that.

For the billionth time OTHER PEOPLE SELL ULLI STONES BESIDE RMT you douchebag.

Sirelrohir said:
As for me being better then you. Well, in this case you are right. But it has nothing to do with the game. It has to do with your attitude. So, the next time you decide to slit your wrists, just remember, your shell and friends hack, just as much as anyone else.

My attitude? LOL I'm not the one holding mysterious grudges towards LS's for years Emo. But here you go again, trying to pretend everyone in the game hacks to justify your friend's hacking and make yourself feel better. Newsflash, everyone doesn't hack. You and your friends do though.
 
Firestreak said:
Now by "many pieces" you're talking about 1 item. Also, not to be a dick but you're lvl 73, which means leveling up now. As in years ago when people like me were exping, the game was different. As in, no tp burns on VT mobs, nobody with sky gear, king gear, merits or AF2 and the jobs balanced differently. Trying to say someone is "retarded" for their choice of earrings back then is like... well ignorant, I'd say.

Sorry, I didn't mean "many." You have a Fortitude Torque and Suppanomimi, giving a total of +12 sword skill as well as Vitality +5 if you steal hate or need to use Calamity (I mean... 300% Calamity is pretty nice, but how often does that happen?). Temperance Torque gives you +7 axe. My grammar and word choice is going to be a little off because I'm Bard~ing right now.

Ignorant? We're also talking optimal here. Not choosing a Suppanomimi when you have a Ridill or use Dual Wield is retarded. It is the only gear in the game outside of Sarashi* that any job can use and enhances Dual Wield. Pretty obvious choice to me if you ever plan on dual wielding.

*Sarashi is great when you can first use it, but I wouldn't sacrifice haste for dual wield enhancement because dual wield enhancement can actually start to lower TP gain per hit.

Edit: Also, Artem's my best friend in real life. I'm actually talking from experience of using a 75 WAR, 75 BRD, and 75 NIN.
 
Firestreak said:
The sword skill in gear is stats you're taking away from other gear you can possible equip. The dual wield helps axe/axe warriors as much as axe/sword warriors and yes I know suppanomi already has both. (Not that everyone can get one, there are people out there who picked another earring for other jobs.)
The thing here is when you are considering being an axe/sword warrior, you have to consider the benefits and the drawbacks. It's been parsed and generally agreed upon that an axe/joyeuse war is not going to beat an axe/axe warrior, what we're looking for is having the boost of a sword to be good enough to justify losing the weapon you're best in on your offhand as well as 16 attack and 16 accuracy in your main hand. Which is why things like having 5 more attack in both hands, like you'd get from speed>sash, or 10 more attack and 2 more haste, like from swift to sash, may tip the scale and make the axe/axe warrior yet again, more efficient.

Not even to mention the bonus for endgame of 6 subtle blow, 6 interupt... can be used by ninja... can be traded...

Edit: Also, I'm going from perspective of a WAR and NIN, I would choose ridill over Nanurta's sash. I do not own ridill but I have seen it in action. My war is full merited to use axes as such. When I get ridill I will redo my axe merits to sword merits for sure and gear towards that. Don't get me wrong Axe/Axe is powerful, I'm not that far behind a ridill war (good ones anyways). Also about the sea torques, they are great for sure, but from my experience with Hope Torque, it's not ground breaking.



Well the best would be for WAR a ridill and a sash...

Dude you can't compare joyeuse to anything like ridill, they are nothing alike. A warrior who offhands joyeuse at 75 and merited is well retarded (not pointing fingers). Axe/axe > joyeuse, but ridill is just that amazing, it alone will add 200 dmg a fight easily to any crappy war. It will add a good 400 dmg to any war that knows how to use it right. 2% haste and some atk will not do that. And even then, you can buy 2% if you really wanted.

Ridill is stupidly amazing while ninurta sash is just a slight upgrade to something you can buy for 40 mil in BD. Now I can get 40 mil faster than most ls will farm and kill AV. I'm sure most endgame people could get 40 mil faster than they could get 30-40 people or w/e you need to kill AV, trained and such.
 
Last edited:
Oh yeah I wanted to point out that this thread is derailment at its best.
 
Crosis said:
You condone hacking by continuing to associate with said hackers. I only value myself? Please if I only valued myself I wouldn't be here defending my LS against fucktards like yourself who just make up bullshit to make himself feel better.

The only thing you value is trying not to look like a hypocrite. You guys hack, deal with it.

You really don't give up do you? Myself and this entire forum had proof, you refused to logon. The same thing did NOT happen to one of my friends. No evidence was brought forth, all we had was one person claiming something to be true. Heck Chasym went after Hellstorm for hacking, did I ever once call your bud Hellstorm out for it? Nope, because Chasym didn't provide any proof. He did however provide proof for Cyronae and Grayswander. YOU provided the proof of you hacking all by yourself. That's not being a hypocrite you damn moron because it isn't the same thing. You fail at comprehending.

How do we not know they weren't all right? She got the majority correct, Chasym just didn't have anything on you because you weren't in that LS. Unfortunately, because you would of fit right in with your hacking buds. Jamal was outted by who? Chasym? Only by his word he is outted as hacker? Sorry Chasyms word isn't 100% credible. Now if had provided proof like he did against many of your friends that would of been different.

People knew he was hacking in our shell? I'm sorry please show me where that information was ever stated and you did not just make it up some more BS. You have shown no proof nor evidence that what we do is something other hacking LS's do. I'm still waiting to hear why you hate Kaizen so much. Which you have yet to say Mr. Emo. Even though we know the reason is because of Tiamat. But you keep telling yourself it was something before that.

Are you pissed that I didnt listen to you? You pined for me to log on and I didnt. That hurt your feelings? What you are saying is that because I refused to listen to your whining, that makes me a hacker. Very good proof, lol.

Yes, you guys hide your cheating very well. But you still cheat, get over it. Crosis, your ls is not better then anyone else. Yes, you might have killed dragons, but the quality of peoples attitudes some of the people in your shell is sub par to say the least. You are the face of kaizen. You are what is giving kaizen a bad name.

I actually stated, in this very thread as to why i have a disdain for your shell. You either did not read it, or chose not to aknowledge it. So let me reiterate. Your shell consists of people that sell their old shell's out to join the deuchebag elitest club. People that help them get to the point where they are at in the game, then they ditch that ls to join your little club. And yes, this kind of behaviour was prevalant since before the tiamat incident. So when I said in the tiamat thread that I knew some of those people, and that I was dissappointed in them, guess what. I knew some of those people, and yes, I was dissapointed in them. Other people seemed to have figured it out. But i forget how dense you are.

There were people in your shell that I was on friendly terms with at one point or another. Hell, neophytal was even one of them. But as peoples attitudes get worse, well things change. You keep bringing up the tiamat incedent. Were you even around during that time?

Now, while you might be ok with spending your time helping people just so they can move onto a different shell, other people do not share that view. The fact of the matter is your shell for years has done this. Now there are other shells out there. Took them a while, mainly due to your recruiting practises, but theyre here. And yes, you guys hack, deal with it.

For the billionth time OTHER PEOPLE SELL ULLI STONES BESIDE RMT you douchebag.

Dude, if that makes it easier for you to fall asleep at night, go for it. Your ls even admitted that you probably bought stones from rmt. So what are u arguing about?

My attitude? LOL I'm not the one holding mysterious grudges towards LS's for years Emo. But here you go again, trying to pretend everyone in the game hacks to justify your friend's hacking and make yourself feel better. Newsflash, everyone doesn't hack. You and your friends do though.

Yes, your attitude. I didnt say every ls hacks. I said YOUR ls hacks. Deal with it.
 
Last edited:
Hey mods, can you just create a "Sire vs Kaizen" subforum for the flameboard so this shit stops showing up in every flameboard topic? kthx. Or at least ban Sire from using the word "kaizen" in any fb topic so he can quit stirring the shit up?
 
Rappa said:
Hey mods, can you just create a "Sire vs Kaizen" subforum for the flameboard so this shit stops showing up in every flameboard topic? kthx. Or at least ban Sire from using the word "kaizen" in any fb topic so he can quit stirring the shit up?

Dont like that im making your friend look like an idiot, you can put me on ignore. Easily solved, no?
 
Sirelrohir said:
Dont like that im making your friend look like an idiot, you can put me on ignore. Easily solved, no?

No, I don't like that you (and them both) shit on topics that have nothing to do with you to keep this bs "feud" going. I don't read posts towards you or from you anymore because it's like a broken record. You're just adding unnecessary scrolling to this page and boring us to tears with your awesome crusade. Grow up and shut up. Use PMs or tells or whatever.
 
Rappa said:
No, I don't like that you (and them both) shit on topics that have nothing to do with you to keep this bs "feud" going. I don't read posts towards you or from you anymore because it's like a broken record. You're just adding unnecessary scrolling to this page and boring us to tears with your awesome crusade. Grow up and shut up. Use PMs or tells or whatever.

dude, seriously get over yourself. Just use the ignore function. Thats what its there for. Its that easy.
 
Seriously Sire. Every topic you post in is usually a post stalk on some Kaizen member. Jump off of their dick for a bit, jesus.
 
Sirelrohir said:
dude, seriously get over yourself. Just use the ignore function. Thats what its there for. Its that easy.

Get over myself? Why? Because I'm tired of your shit spreading through the flameboard like herpes? I don't think so, Tim. You're the one so full of yourself that every topic has to be about you. Now get your herpes-ass off the damn flameboard.
 
Legomyeggo said:
Seriously Sire. Every topic you post in is usually a post stalk on some Kaizen member. Jump off of their dick for a bit, jesus.

Just pointing out the hypocrasy of a certain person.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top