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If he wasn't able to stop attacking the mods when you were one (and you are/were friends if I'm not mistaken), then why would he do any differently now? I believe allowing him back would just cause further grief to the mods, who already get enough of that IMO.

It seems there are more than a few people who think he'd just get himself banned again. So it would ultimately be a temporary solution to the not enough content and content accuracy problems of the FFXI forum. A more permanent and stable solution to that problem has to exist.
Yep we're buddies, have been since long before I banned him and still are. However this is of little difference to me personally... he can post in my private forums and I barely find the time to read those let alone the public ones. I speak as a user of the forum back when I was a mod and had time to read through a large portion of the threads.

Why would he do differently now? There's no guarantee he would. It's a second chance and if he chooses to fuck it up, he's well aware of the consequences. Make em even steeper - ban him completely even from private forums if he bizzy's up the second chance. A permanent and stable solution doesn't exist when you're dealing with proverbial ex-con's... it's not like we can send him to Internet Forum Rehab and monitor his progress to see if he's showing interest in returning to the community. It's up to the mods to decide if they want to offer that second chance.

There is a difference I saw between you and Meeze. 1 -- Meeze was handled by CmdrFly, perhaps Cmdr puts up with less BS.
You know it. Fuck that dude. I've got a fuse the size of Audino's wang (ok maybe not that small) and he lit it about 17 times.

Then again I'm not nearly as homoerotic as you Arc. Therefore, due to your preference of man-penis over woman-penis, you inherently are more of a pussy.

*gets banned*

They surely could. I know a few banned members that could present sufficient evidence to be returned to the site that I know I personally don't want to see back. Neolink is one, Kinkerbelle could definitely give a decent argument. Peregrine would give a great argument. Some of them have already asked that we reconsider and given reasons as to why we should unban them.
Heh... some of them have asked for a lot more than that. Man oh man was that a good read.

Miros is absolutely right, Murphy's Law exists everywhere and I would not have to deal with the flood of BS that would come from other pinks screaming for the same treatment. So even though I was a centrifugal force in his banning, my words are not scripture.

QCDN's mods & admins represent a community, not a clique of teenage girls who want to exclude the ugly one. Being selective about who gets unbanned has it's obvious side effects. What are they going to tell other pinks wanting back if Meeze gets raised access? "We don't like you, go away"? Sure this site is just one drop in the Internet ocean but that doesn't mean we can ignore ethics and fair treatment. I do agree that other banned users are of a very different breed when it comes to their actions & personality but many topics - this being one of em - seem very cut & dry until you're in staff shoes.
 
I think the popularity of this thread alone tells us that this is something we're interested in dealing with more than anything else:

People feed off drama, we know this. If I made an announcement saying that Peregrine and Windaria were unbanned then I bet the thread would be very popular.
 
People feed off drama, we know this. If I made an announcement saying that Peregrine and Windaria were unbanned then I bet the thread would be very popular.

But it would take top priority. My point is this should bump some of the other things a little further down the plate because of the popularity.
 
Where is Meeze's post?
 
Not sure if they'll let this post slide, but I'll make one and clear the air. I didn't make a puppet to rate down, I was told not to post outside of LS forums, so I didn't. The only place you will find a post of mine outside of the LS was when Fly quit. Since I couldn't post, and I needed to rate more people before I could rate good posts back up, I decided I would turn my attention to the idiots of this board. PS Eor, the reason I rated JDA down was because of the influx of people who jumped server to "the oldest LS on the server" which just wasn't true. JDA never made a splash, they were a fringe LS, but people were on other servers lying and having a bunch of players server hop, while letting in the scum of our server (Syliph, the kid who stole crafting items from Lanien, and many others on our server).

When I was originally banned, I was banned for something that I wrote a week or two before I was finally banned. My attack resulted in a bunch of the fan boy cock sucking (Except Miros!) crowd like Eli and Alyada. They would go around the boards derailing every thread, or jump in on derails made by Shyrra and other members of their LS, and make it about House or Scrubs, or ER, w/e the hell they watched. The mods were so frustrated with not being able to stick rules to me, that Neophytal (A guy who I was in an LS of his for a cup of tea before he shut it down to join Kaizen, and who hates me for some reason) started making up reasons to give me warnings to my account.

There was no leader with the old mod staff. I think Fly will even agree that he is soft as a leader, and would rather make a group make a decision for him. He had/has no backbone to speak of when looked at to make a decision, and I think he recognized that, because he spoke about it in his post in our forums about making an extension of PP in the barbarian game. It is not his fault, leadership is something that has a lot to do with your surroundings, and Fly is in Canada smoking pot surrounded by snow and igloos.

That staff is gone for the most part, Arc is the only one who hates me, again for no real reason as we have never had a falling out in game. He was one of those people who read the forums and formulated decisions about people, but never had the balls to post.

My sock puppets, I made so I could join the PP forums, they both got narc'd out to the staff, and the first one was banned right away. With LTM (RIP LTM!!!) I posted on the main forums as cover. I made him while I was in NY for a month. Towards the end of the trip, I figured my IP would be matched anyway, and got carried away with posting. With Dunebuggy, I decided that I would not cover my ass by making a hello post. And it would of worked, but I got narc'd on again, by the same person in my LS, he's no longer in the LS hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I posted in the sports section, and when i went to look for responses, it wasn't there. I figured that I hadn't hit submit, so I reposted. When the repost happened, I had a warning on my acct and a PM. So I stopped posting. I didn't post for a few weeks (month?) and was finally banned for rating down idiots who talk out of their ass. I thought posting was actually posting, had no clue it included rate down/comments, but the guy I rated must have really cried to the mods about it, guess rate downs really rain on some peoples parade.

QCDN has been a great site for me to kill time on. With me joining SNB, however, I have had little need to read QCDN, as I rarely post on PP boards since everyone has pretty much quit. The rest of the board is full of it now, maybe it was me, maybe it was some other factor, but it is just hard to read topics since I rejoined in March some time. I like that BG threads get filtered here when new things pop up. I know who the morons are here when they post, so I can ignore them, I have no clue who the morons on BG are.

It would be cool to be able to post again, but at the same time, I'm moving to Thailand for 8 months, then Italy for 2 months, and not so sure about my playtime after I arrive in early September. With my time being taken up by teaching little chanks and hanging out on the beach all day, not sure how much time I will have to correct the hoards of morons who infest this site.

In closing, I wouldn't be the first, nor the second, as we all don't remember, Peregrine was already allowed to have a sock puppet for a long time.

Meeze

Where is Meeze's post?

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There was no leader with the old mod staff. I think Fly will even agree that he is soft as a leader, and would rather make a group make a decision for him. He had/has no backbone to speak of when looked at to make a decision, and I think he recognized that, because he spoke about it in his post in our forums about making an extension of PP in the barbarian game. It is not his fault, leadership is something that has a lot to do with your surroundings, and Fly is in Canada smoking pot surrounded by snow and igloos.
I was indeed soft, as an admin and as PP shellholder. I led both with a business frame of mind not a personal one, and always strove to maintain bridges instead of burning them. I don't think my business senses can be honed any further from leadership of Internet groups; thus PoC may be seeing more iron-fist decisions if it comes to me. This doesn't really concern the thread though so I digress.

If I was back on QCDN staff I'd still pursue the 'spineless' diplomatic resolutions because that's simply how you have to run a community where people will come or leave based on it's leadership and members. But don't puff up too much there sunshine. If I had no backbone whatsoever this thread wouldn't exist because you probably never would have been banned.

P.S. you really have no clue about Canada. The snow melted last week, it's moose and straw huts for the next few days.
 
But it would take top priority. My point is this should bump some of the other things a little further down the plate because of the popularity.

I know. Issues that truly do need addressing to make things work smoother around here are going to be bumped down yet again because of something like this.
 
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=38959


Mods have let sockpuppets of banned users slide before.

that's true, but that doesn't mean it can't be considered; that link you showed had the sockpuppet banned because he overstepped the boundaries.

I'm not really for or against it since it's kinda trivial one way or another, which is part of the reason why I approved of arc's 1 year ban period suggestion. People who continuously fall into the grey lines or outright break the rules should be banned, and if it shows that they are banned continously, then it shows on their record(not literally but figuratively) that they can't comply with basic standards that most people can do(and we still have a few disliked people that I wouldn't miss from the boards). If they can't comply after a few times then keep their asses out.


Now one could see the sockpuppets made while banned as being desperate to post by anymeans or that they wish to prove themselves(not the best wording on this but I hope you understand what I mean).


But as Skreb said it's just a fucking video game website, a website made off of a game, why not let the old people slide? They'll either fuck up or push buttons and get banned again or cooperate and work with us(by some sort of code).


I'm not saying it's an easy decision but trying to look at the situation objectively as possible, the mods still have control over who gets banned and whatnot and it's always the users choice to post how they want to and accept the consequences.
 
I know. Issues that truly do need addressing to make things work smoother around here are going to be bumped down yet again because of something like this.

What is getting bumped down that will make things work smoother that is more important then content on the site?
 
What is getting bumped down that will make things work smoother that is more important then content on the site?

  • Test current usergroups to see that everything is correct. This will take a loooong time.
  • Fix some links on the pages so it looks neater on Nightshift and Element.
  • Discussion on the front page and what to add.
  • QCDN BLM 2008 Style.
  • Reputation Rules?
  • Signature Rules Revisit.
  • Edit profile to add a few new things. Mostly job type, and now what missions you are on to help unclutter signatures. - Work in process
  • Revisit infractions.
  • Revisit all the forums and see what we can do to improve them.
  • Youtube icon much like image one.
  • Work on events scheduling to be more like dynamis scheduling and make good use of the calender function.
  • Work with mods to find a way to have contests going on to raise traffic to certain sections.
  • Visitor Messages - Close to completion
  • Comprehensive ignore system? Would the people be interested in this at all?
  • FAQs on in game missions/quests. Find a way to make the site a wikipedia without it being a wikipedia.

There's my current list. Everytime something new is brought up I have to bump the list and pay attention to that. It gets frustrating sometimes because I really wanted to test out what I could do in making a really nice BLMesque style for QCDN so it would bring more users in. It was supposed to be a secret, but not so much anymore.
 
  • Revisit all the forums and see what we can do to improve them.
  • Work with mods to find a way to have contests going on to raise traffic to certain sections.
  • FAQs on in game missions/quests. Find a way to make the site a wikipedia without it being a wikipedia.

There's my current list. Everytime something new is brought up I have to bump the list and pay attention to that. It gets frustrating sometimes because I really wanted to test out what I could do in making a really nice BLMesque style for QCDN so it would bring more users in. It was supposed to be a secret, but not so much anymore.

Modified your list for content related. Everything else is bells and whistles. These can easily be worked while discussing users.

Part of my job is prioritizing. Content first, Functionality second, look pretty third. We haven't worked on content in forever.

Not criticizing what you're doing, but frankly, these should be the top of the list anyway. Having Meeze's discussion doesn't take away from other workings with this.
 
Modified your list for content related. Everything else is bells and whistles. These can easily be worked while discussing users.

Part of my job is prioritizing. Content first, Functionality second, look pretty third. We haven't worked on content in forever.

Not criticizing what you're doing, but frankly, these should be the top of the list anyway. Having Meeze's discussion doesn't take away from other workings with this.

The list was by no means a prioritized list. It was just the list that I have for my records. You are viewing this strictly from an IT point of view it seems. I'm usually one for marketing trying to figure out what will draw people here more often? Some of the bells and whistle things don't take overly long, but add something to the site.

But I hope at least you see that when items like this are brought up, they put everything on hold. Everyone focuses on this event and if it takes 3 weeks to come up with an answer, that's three weeks we have to hold off with other projects that we would like to see happen to improve the site.

Edit - I don't want you to think that I'm considering this a small petty discussion, I'm just trying to show you that this discussion is also on top of many others.
 
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The list was by no means a prioritized list. It was just the list that I have for my records. You are viewing this strictly from an IT point of view it seems. I'm usually one for marketing trying to figure out what will draw people here more often? Some of the bells and whistle things don't take overly long, but add something to the site.

But I hope at least you see that when items like this are brought up, they put everything on hold. Everyone focuses on this event and if it takes 3 weeks to come up with an answer, that's three weeks we have to hold off with other projects that we would like to see happen to improve the site.

Which is why you work swiftly, work thoroughly, take care of it and move on.

Think of Tommy Boy for your marketing.

"If you want me to take a shit in a box and guarantee it, I will. Then all you have is a guaranteed piece of shit."

Bells and whistles are great for expanding once everything else is done. If you lack content, all you have is a piece of dung with a bow around it.

This isn't a 3-week project, I've said the same thing since the first post. BBT obviously didn't have the same thought put into him, why start now?
 
Which is why you work swiftly, work thoroughly, take care of it and move on.

Think of Tommy Boy for your marketing.

"If you want me to take a shit in a box and guarantee it, I will. Then all you have is a guaranteed piece of shit."

Bells and whistles are great for expanding once everything else is done. If you lack content, all you have is a piece of dung with a bow around it.

This isn't a 3-week project, I've said the same thing since the first post. BBT obviously didn't have the same thought put into him, why start now?

Well the site already has some content. We have areas set up to bring people in, which is why I'm trying to spruce it up here and there. This could turn out to be a three week discussion. There's positive points and there are negative points. Bringing this up in turn brought up the whole database of banned players. So while it started off small, it escalated into something a little bigger now.
 
Well the site already has some content. We have areas set up to bring people in, which is why I'm trying to spruce it up here and there. This could turn out to be a three week discussion. There's positive points and there are negative points. Bringing this up in turn brought up the whole database of banned players. So while it started off small, it escalated into something a little bigger now.

Where is the ffxi content? You told me you were thinking about adding things for HNMs months ago...that in total take 1 minute to handle.

If you're not going to give me content, I'll force the issue. I don't care about the smilies. I don't care about the new skins. I do care about the game, which is why this site was formed.

What are the negative points besides you not having the time to handle it?
 
Why don't we(jamal) all just shut the fuck up for a few days and let the admins think it over like they said they would?

I think pretty much every argument has been exhausted already. Now you guys are just arguing over semantics.
 
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Where is the ffxi content? You told me you were thinking about adding things for HNMs months ago...that in total take 1 minute to handle.

If you're not going to give me content, I'll force the issue. I don't care about the smilies. I don't care about the new skins. I do care about the game, which is why this site was formed.

What are the negative points besides you not having the time to handle it?

If we were to implement a system that would start a contest based on HNMs, the following would have to be discussed:

-What HNMs would be counted towards the contest. Would it be expansion based monthly?

-Who would be the officiate of it? Would it be the mod of the forum or do we want someone else?

-What rewards should be given?

-How can we draw more linkshells in to post about it?

-What type of rules should be set in the forum that it takes place to improve traffic?

So it wouldn't take 1 minute to just whip it up. Especially after exhausting topics like this one.
 
-What HNMs would be counted towards the contest. Would it be expansion based monthly? Trial run: ZNM's. 1 point tier 1, 2 tier 2, 3 tier 3, 4 tier 4

-Who would be the officiate of it? Would it be the mod of the forum or do we want someone else? Jamal officiates.

-What rewards should be given? Title to users in shell

-How can we draw more linkshells in to post about it? Advertise on Banner and in EG discussion

-What type of rules should be set in the forum that it takes place to improve traffic? Stickies for each linkshell, as well as bonus points for being the 'first' to each mob.

30 seconds.
 
-What HNMs would be counted towards the contest. Would it be expansion based monthly? Trial run: ZNM's. 1 point tier 1, 2 tier 2, 3 tier 3, 4 tier 4

-Who would be the officiate of it? Would it be the mod of the forum or do we want someone else? Jamal officiates.

-What rewards should be given? Title to users in shell

-How can we draw more linkshells in to post about it? Advertise on Banner and in EG discussion

-What type of rules should be set in the forum that it takes place to improve traffic? Stickies for each linkshell, as well as bonus points for being the 'first' to each mob.

30 seconds.

jamal, you aren't a mod, so shut up and let the mods do their jobs!

Jesus Christ I swear that you seem to be derailing this further and further into the ground. Its starting to look like a flame war between you and the mods =/
 
-What HNMs would be counted towards the contest. Would it be expansion based monthly? Trial run: ZNM's. 1 point tier 1, 2 tier 2, 3 tier 3, 4 tier 4
What about shells that do sky? That is considered end-game.

-Who would be the officiate of it? Would it be the mod of the forum or do we want someone else? Jamal officiates.
Fuck no.

-What rewards should be given? Title to users in shell
What else? Given what we have what else can we use for a reward?

-How can we draw more linkshells in to post about it? Advertise on Banner and in EG discussion
That makes sense. But what about linkshells that don't visit this site. Do we get them in game?

-What type of rules should be set in the forum that it takes place to improve traffic? Stickies for each linkshell, as well as bonus points for being the 'first' to each mob.
I'm talking more about basic rules. Things get heated in discussions like that. Do we want to alleviate some rules and make things less harsh? Or do we want to make sure they don't get heated?

30 seconds.
 
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