Merit Party Discrimination

[alanon]

I really want to know what your definition of "VERY long" is, considering the summer before Promathia was released, Black Mage cannons started picking up pace. I can guarantee you Black Mage was pretty top tier choice because of the plague of Big Numbers Syndrome a few years back. I'm thinking you're forgetting exactly how old the 75 cap actually is.

If you want more skillchains, demand Square-Enix make TP numbers that don't end X00% add to the equation, because saving TP for chains is extremely worthless when the only time the equation is modified is every 100%. Thats whats causing skillchains to simply be skipped in 75 PTs, it's just a downgrade in damage to save, quite possibly less damage than the actual chain and burst depending on circumstances.

I guess very long is subjective, but I hit 75 in March following the PS2 release. Even then it was a very tough thing to find a pickup as a 73+ Blm. I was very lucky that I had a static with a simply awesome group of peeps as am sure that given my lack of interest in xp and my penchant for adventuring and crafting, that I never would have made 75. Sure manaburns picked up, but it was out of necessity. Very few wanted a blm as it was seen as an anchor job and somewhat rightfully so at those levels. However, to compare manaburns then to what TPburns are now is like saying Plds were just as popular as Nins are now.

As for your second para, I don't know what the answer is, I just miss bursting. now it seems limited to HNMs and gods only.

 

[Bedwarmer]

Needs a bard to be a truely hellish experience!

I give you 500-1 odds that you can talk Wak into it XD

Kinkk, just come duo with me sometime hon. It's much more relaxing than hearing everyone bitch and speeding all over a zone trying to beat 50 other pty's in the same map square. Puddin' camp is a ghost town when the candy cane is gone.

I'll join the standard pty as RDM.

 

[Firestreak]

Skaw is probably talking about before your time Alanon. Pre-Sushi days at least, BLM cannons were the best exp pretty much. We could get 8k/hour from cannon and that was considered really good. A decent party was 3k/hour, a great regular party was 6k/hour. By today's standards people see 6k an hour and start looking for a replacement for themselves.

However - to say that BLM's cannons then somehow makes BLM deserving of exclusion now is a bit unair to say the least. For one thing, most of the BLM's from back then are now long gone, and if they are still here have definetly leveled another job. For another, the BLM cannon was rare and none of them were depandant on it, rather something to do when it was even possible to find 3 or 4 other BLM the same level(very rare back then).

If you want to talk about fair exlusion, I'd point out BCs that some BLM typcially do with other BLM soely. Of course in reality it's usually a THF or something that can't get a regular party together or is too lazy and recruits 5 other BLM so he can sit in the corner and leech.

 

[meeze]

melee jobs have to level a mage job to get into a good end game LS to get a crack at the high end gear, there is no option. An alliance of drks and mnks can't take down nid/kb/aspid effectively. But you can get 6 blm together and get effective xp.

i won't cry a tear for the BLMs and SMNs and WHMs that hit 75 and get picked up by top LSs for their job alone, while quality players who chose a different job are stuck watching some mage who decided to level MNK get a BB.

 

[chrono fantasy]

Hmm... my blm is lvl 54 now, hoping to get it 60 before oct 31st when FFXII comes out to play that for a while, then after take it up to 75... Should I do that though or gogo blu?

Although I love blm and it seems like an uber job to me, blowing up stuff and later manaburning. But after hearing that blm is good at soloing things in ToAU area, I think I am going to take blm to 75. Now if only I can get this stupid Mystic Profblix to drop the damn earring >.<

 

[Sneakypants]

If you want to talk about fair exlusion, I'd point out BCs that some BLM typcially do with other BLM soely. Of course in reality it's usually a THF or something that can't get a regular party together or is too lazy and recruits 5 other BLM so he can sit in the corner and leech.

And cough up the orb and offer all cash drops to the BLMs, etc. etc. etc.
If the BLM take nothing for their share, they can hardly call the other job a leech. lol

That's not any better than melee cannons calling BLM a waste of space.

 

[Firestreak]

Depends on the BC, and depends on if the BLM are actually taking any extra share. Normally when a melee is the one setting it up, they just invite a bunch of BLM and do it the same for themselves as everyone else.

But if the leader sets up the BC in a style so that the melee will only be sitting in back doing nothing, then in essense they are a leech. In an exp party as a BLM I participate even if I'm not the ideal member.

I think a lot of non-meleers get a very skewed perspective of what BLM life is like from their vantage point. We get into LS based on being BLM, only to get no gear because there's nothing out there for us, and if there is, it's very competitive to get and we'll get dangled along with it so we don't get what we want too quickly. Then if we level a melee job, we're "mage mains" so we are shifted in lines constantly for "melee mains"(ie. the guys who didn't level a mage job). Then in the actual events we need to be 100% paying attention at all times while the melees will constantly afk or zone out and just autoattack. Even worse they'll skillup and we can't skillup as well or we start running into downtime.

There is maybe 1 BLM who runs KS runs to take a gil advantage and hundreds of BLM. Most of the time we either KS amongst ourselves(my preference) or someone who is a friend of the BLM who is leader(who never ever ever tells us ahead of time) invites a useless job to leech, or the leech is the actual leader(who never ever ever tells us he's doing it cannon style when recruiting).

Then we can't just leave those parties cause we don't like the idea of someone just sitting in back or else we'll be labeled elitist. Which we get labeled anyway.

But back to my original point. We prefer to do KS fights among ourselves. So if you want to justify an action with an action, then it would be fair if there was a BC fight that melees never invited BLMs for.

Side note: Don't really mind BLM cannons or soloing puddings. My only complaint is when TP burns come in and start killing the puddings - which is ridiculous. They are always Japanese parties though, so it's pretty much useless complaining about it here.

 

[Mirewen]

This is about black mages.

You kill us in sky.

You kill us in dynamis.

You kill in sea.

You kill us in limbus.

You kill us fighting HNMs.

But when it is time to merit, when we need to get back the xp we have lost dying for your cause, where the fuck are you then?

In a fucking cannon party. In a TP burn. When was the last time you invited a BLM to a merit party? I know it's been a long fucking time because I haven't had an invite to a regular xp party since TOAU came out. Don't even talk to me about manaburns either, there are two good camps for manaburns both of which are usually taken, besides five months of manaburning in the same camp with the same people is getting boring as hell. It's making me think about retiring BLM. If the players of this game don't start making room for the blms in merit parties, you are going to lose the blms for other things, it's already starting to happen.

Watch.

<3 Damn fucking straight.

 

[Calais]

I've gotten invites as blm for normal parties on trolls before. Regular old pld tank, two melees SCing and all. The vast majority of the time, it sucks. I'm impatient and sick of exp grinding, I want my buffer and merits as fast as possible. When I'm on rdm and doing TP cannons I don't bother inviting blms, when I'm on blm I just go to pudding camp for a while and make back all my lost exp and more in no time. Usually there's other blms in the area, most are willing to duo or trio with you if you're polite.

If you don't want to die a lot, don't do endgame stuff or just don't do it as blm. I die a fuckton of times in Dynamis but it's completely worth it as long as my LS and my friends get their gear and coins.

 

[Blackmagik]

dun hate the blms, or they wont do endgame? and youll be like "how do we winz nows!"? cuz for endgame, blms = win

ie: KURREA! lawlol 8blms lawlol

 

[pakomen]

Meh, I get better exp solo. And lots of kindred seals. And lots of beastman seals. And I still make decent money on marid hairs. And there's a ton of solo blm spots both inside and outside of the expansion.

But...

For god sake I just wanna MB!

My life right now consists entirely of: Freeze2, Gravity, Thunder4, Blizzard4, Thunder3, Heal for a few minutes. Rinse and repeat. (Add in a Fire4 if I'm killing Marids).

Yes, that is my entire life right now outside of endgame stuff. I can and have pulled that off while burping a baby (Not the smartest thing to do). EXP is too damn easy for us blm's, but dammit I just want to MB.

I don't care about exp. I don't care about money or seals. Every now and then a blm just NEEDS to MB.

 

[Firestreak]

Even when I do wind up in parties they never skillchain. Nor do people do at any events I go to.

 

[pakomen]

Even when I do wind up in parties they never skillchain. Nor do people do at any events I go to.

Yeah, I was shocked when I landed an actual accidental BurstII MB on fafnir on Saturday >.>

Wait, this is the flameboard. Let me rephrase this:

I about shit my pants when, after my goddamn LS miraculously managed to claim fafnir from all hundred of the other noobs standing around and then I dropped a fuckin amazing unresisted jaw-shattering Burst II MB on that gimp noob Fafnir because his stupidass big brother couldn't be bothered to show up for work. Fucking lazy bitch.

 

[Darklion]

whats so hard about gettin 3 BLMs and killin flans and shit?

I got 20K buffer on BLM and i never LFG on BLM once I hit 75.

 

[pakomen]

whats so hard about gettin 3 BLMs and killin flans and shit?

The fact that there's usually a TP burn killing them?

At least on my time-zone.

Or there will be a group of 2blm and 1rdm already there.

Me: <Any vacancies?>
Them: <I'm sorry>
Me muttering to myself as I wander over to the next wamoura prince camp: <Bullshit...>

 

[mysticalone]

my black mage is and has been 35 for months now b/c everytime i log in to lfp i get no invites, WTF?? no parties at 35??this game just forces me to play jobs i hate or try to avoid.

 

[Bajaratt]

The fact that there's usually a TP burn killing them?

At least on my time-zone.

Or there will be a group of 2blm and 1rdm already there.

Me: <Any vacancies?>
Them: <I'm sorry>
Me muttering to myself as I wander over to the next wamoura prince camp: <Bullshit...>

Aren't flans like slimes, but with magic?

 

[Firestreak]

Yes, they aren't really a great target for melee, especially because of their extreme tendency to cast aga magics every chance they get. But some melees parties come anyway because they'd rather get shitty expansion exp than go somewhere else if it's too crowded.

The edge BLM have is we kill them in about 20 seconds(solo) and it takes them nearly a minute. Just kill the mobs near them when they're in the middle then go back into camp. In about 5 minutes they get swamped by repops faster than they can kill. Not that I'd ever do that.

 

[Demonknightx]

Meh, I get better exp solo. And lots of kindred seals. And lots of beastman seals. And I still make decent money on marid hairs. And there's a ton of solo blm spots both inside and outside of the expansion.

But...

For god sake I just wanna MB!

My life right now consists entirely of: Freeze2, Gravity, Thunder4, Blizzard4, Thunder3, Heal for a few minutes. Rinse and repeat. (Add in a Fire4 if I'm killing Marids).

Yes, that is my entire life right now outside of endgame stuff. I can and have pulled that off while burping a baby (Not the smartest thing to do). EXP is too damn easy for us blm's, but dammit I just want to MB.

I don't care about exp. I don't care about money or seals. Every now and then a blm just NEEDS to MB.

and atleast that can net you decent xp? im a thf. i've gotten 3/4 of the merits i have by soloing EP's. colibris, bees, and snolls. Thats it. why? cuz i can never get a merit pt for the life of me. ever

i dont want to hear it. srsly. the only time i get merit pt's are after dynamis when i can sweet talk my friends into taking me along. And how does it go? i keep up with the wars in a cannon. THF since the update IS NOT BAD. DPS is there. attack fast as fck. sure Wars or Mnks would out DD by a bit. but do you have to worry about us getting hate? maybe on a SA DE, but then 30 seconds later you have a TA DE coming to get it off. Im sick of the NIN/WAR/MNK ONRY pt's people have come to love.

"make your own parties lol"

yea sure. you try getting a rdm or a brd, that isnt your friend, to accept an invite from a thf. Am i the only job that this happens to? no. DRGs and maybe even SAMs and DRKs get in the same boat sometimes, DRG being the only time it might be worse. But in all honesty. unless you know a brd. or mage, it just isnt happening

"lol thf burn in lufiese!"

Yah uh. Birds can stil tear us to shreds unless all 4 thfs are pro's. I;ve only been in one. and well. it blew. we fought like 4 and a person died, and the brd and mage were like... yea...

Thf burn works damn well in the new areas, albeit more hectic for rdms or brds. but then again. anything can rape imps. or puks. hence my reason for complaining. and Thfs have room to complain, atleast the ones that do Dynamis. Who else is gunna do your sac pulls huh? shure its alot less, but it adds up when. if i can get a RIII, sure its np, but sometimes you eat a HP or RI, and it happens.

Im just sick of soloing at 20-40 xp a pop for hours on end, getting gear for a job i love, but cant get exp on. ever. and i dont understand why

Even tonight i was seeking/asking people to merit, got turned down and ended up pt-less at the end of four hours.

IMO. blm have no right to complain =\ wanted everywhere... solo ability... big numbers.... what more do you want =\

*srry. end rant. im frustrated right now*

edit: holy fck the flamboards back. rofl

 

[pakomen]

Demon, I triod with sneakypants (thf) and his blm friend once on wamoura princes. I wasn't really paying attention to his damage and I'm sure another blm would have been faster kills, but it was a good time. Much more fun than soloing. If you ever just wanna goof off up on Mount Z, just hit me with a tell. I'd rather have good company than good exp a lot of the time. I've been soloing on ffxi (bst and blm) for the most part of a whole year. Yeah, a TON of time with nothing but isolation. Yeah, damn good exp. Damn good money. But damn if I don't just wanna hang out with other players sometimes. I don't care if you're a 75pup. If you want to duo and you can help me kill a little bit faster, I'm game. All it takes is a /t Pakomen "<Team Up?>" if you find me up at Mount Z and it's highly unlikely I'll turn you down.

If I'm sitting around in town though, it's highly likely I'm taking care of my newborn, so try to get me when I'm out in the field. And if I'm killing marids, you'll get a no just because Marid TP moves suck and chigoes will kill me.