Micheal bay pissed at paramount for HD-DVD exclusivity= No transformers 2

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So by now you've heard that Paramount has dropped support for Blu-ray right? Good, so has a notable Hollywood director. Michael Bay -- the man behind "Transformers," "Bad Boys," "Pear Harbor," etc. -- just threw down with Paramount in his personal blog. In a forum post titled "Paramount pisses me off!", he states, "I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!"

lol i dunno, i just laughed. Why cry about it and make such a harsh decision? Its money either way.
 
that's a fairly immature reaction? i'm certain his line of thought was:

- Paramount no longer supports Blu-ray.
- Most fans of my films are gamers.
- Fans of Transformers are likely gamers.
- I stood in line for equipment (read: PS3) that won't likely play my copy of "Transformers Extended Special Director's Cut Edition".
- I'll piss off fans and gamers by threatening no sequels!

GG Tom Cruise; take your Mission: Impossible franchise and shove it up your ass. Another director could do it just as well, if not better.


Oh wait, this was Michael Bay?
 
I read about Paramount's decision this morning, and I thought it was stupid. I don't understand the whole one-side or nothing argument. I don't see why people don't just make both until someone is decided the winner.

Michael Bay is over-reacting to Paramount's bad decision, but whatever. Some other director can pick up Transformers 2 and maybe it'll be better, maybe it'll be worse. (Possible, though not probable.)
 
He's probably more pissed he wont get as many sales of his movie. I'm sure a director like him gets cuts off of everything the movie makes, and DVD sales are part of it.

I'd be pissed too, especially since a large portion of the public have Blu-Ray and he's not going to get a chance to reach them.

I think it's good actors/directors are actually getting involved. If they start mandating that both formats be available on their releases then the public will be able to benefit by having both formats of a film available.

I'm guessing Blu-ray onry people are pissed right now they wont get Transformers.

PS I though the movie was actually good from what I heard, didn't see it though.
 
yeah, i forgot to add that yes, this is a ridiculous decision for paramount to make as well.

same with blockbuster exclusively supporting Blu-Ray. it's irritating, and the factionizing (a word?) does nothing constructive to the film industry. this hasn't become a betamax/vhs war pt.2, it's now a "chocolate is better than vanilla" thing imo.
 
this hasn't become a betamax/vhs war pt.2, it's now a "chocolate is better than vanilla" thing imo.

Vanilla is way better than chocolate.

(I mean that in the most delicious and least racist way possible.)
 
f both; i go for chocolate-chip cookie dough.

Cookie dough is good, but its no peanut-butter cup, which is, as far as I'm concerned, the king of Ice Cream.

On topic: Maybe Bay's just pissed because he bought a PS3 for when the Transformers Blu-Ray DVD dropped.
 
From what I understand Paramount got paid off $150 million, it's 18 months of exclusivity only and they release Spielberg movies dual format.

Considering that $150 mill is more than they're going to be making by far from selling the blu-rays it's a no brainer.

Personally, I don 't like the tactic of just buying out exclusivity. You're basically paying to fuck over customers of your competitors rather than spending anything to make your own side better. That cash would have been better spent financing a bunch of HD DVD movies.

Wasn't planning on getting Transformers, but what does hurt is the 4 Jack Ryan movies that Paramount was going to release later this year. I was planning on getting Patriot Games at least.

Still overall a good day yesterday for me personally. Lost Patriot Games but then Fox announced Die Hard. Fox > Paramount, nuff said. I hear Universal is coming over too, if I can get Serenity I'll be a happy camper.
 
Still overall a good day yesterday for me personally. Lost Patriot Games but then Fox announced Die Hard. Fox > Paramount, nuff said. I hear Universal is coming over too, if I can get Serenity I'll be a happy camper.

Holy balls... Die hard on Blu-Ray?! Will they be doing them separate, or bundled together?

joygasm
 
Probably separately. Not really feeling Die Hard 2 but I'll probably get it for completeness.

And just read that Close Encounters is actually staying Blu-ray exclusive. So it turns out Paramount's best release is actually blu-ray only.

The buyout has now been officially confirmed, what's believed is Microsoft was the money behind it. They've been subsidizing HD DVD players for months, which is how they are as low as they are.

MS seems very compelled to keep this war going on as long as possible for their own purpose.
 
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Quick, to your shielded basement Fire, they can't read your thoughts there!
 
but their not at war
It's hard to miss the ping pong game of rhetoric between the promotion groups pushing HD DVD and Blu-ray. From sales figures to exclusive deals, press releases are churned out almost daily. The so-called "format war" is Betamax and VHS redux - at least that's what the media wants you to think.

But the real competition is with standard-definition DVDs and convincing the masses of the merits of hi-def. And that's the crux of why HD DVD just doesn't care that Blu-ray has more studio deals or the PS3: none of this matters yet until more people start upgrading.

Unfortunately, you won't hear either side say that publicly, because it's important to make consumers feel like they are missing out by not becoming early adopters. The advantages aren't as clear as they were with first-generation DVDs, and a format war helps garner critical media attention.
 
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Blu-Ray is the best format available when it comes to high defination quality. So it's understandable why Bay is having a hissy fit. Paramount dosn't want their line up to be available on Blu-Ray for what reason ?
 
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EDIT: scrap this >>I don't see why this is in the XboX thread, when it has nothing to do with DVD and HDDVD.<<
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Blu-Ray is the best format available when it comes to high defination quality. So it's understandable why Bay is having a hissy fit. Paramount dosn't want their line up to be available on Blu-Ray for what reason ?

Promote HD DVD? lol. But seriously... I love transformers. I loved the movie and loved the cartoons. I am NOT buying an HD DVD player just to watch the movie again. Oh well. Dumb move imo to not support Blue ray. God i hate this war thing so much... Its not like past wars, HD DVD and Blueray are not leagues apart. Hell they are the same damn thing... Just give it up and let one be the main stream of HD entertainment;;;; Its hurting us more then helping.
 
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Quick, to your shielded basement Fire, they can't read your thoughts there!

It's a pretty well known fact that MS has been subsidizing HD DVD players, which is the only reason they're the cheaper units.

Now we know for a fact that this exclusivity deal came after a $150 million buyout.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/t...rss&adxnnlx=1187698143-B5wO3L/F+4r1NyAsum87vQ

To add more fuel to the fire, the same insiders who said before this came out that it was a $150 million dollar deal said MS was the financier, the same people who've been saying MS is also interested mainly in downloads service and prolonging the war.

There's a good article at TheDigitalBits that sums up my feelings nicely.

By the way, a quick side comment here. A number of HD-DVD fans have e-mailed us to cry fowl over our issue with Microsoft offering financial incentives to studios to go HD-DVD only, when (they say) Sony must surely be doing the same thing on the Blu-ray Disc side. Here's the difference, and it's why we continue to flag it: Sony pumping money to various studios and parties to promote Blu-ray Disc make logical sense to us. Toshiba doing the same thing to promote HD-DVD, that makes logical sense too. Sony was involved in creating Blu-ray and has a financial stake in it. Likewise, Toshiba created HD-DVD and has a financial stake there. Where does Microsoft's interests lie? Microsoft did not create HD-DVD. Until not so very long ago (prior to these formats coming to market), as they themselves acknowledge, they actually supported both formats. So why are they putting so much money into HD-DVD now? Not only are they putting money into HD-DVD, they're basically the only party that's keeping the format alive. Left to their own financial means, we find it hard to believe that Toshiba would be able to keep pricing its hardware so low - especially given the fact that they've had to adjust their sales projections for the format downward in recent months. And without the "financial incentives" offered by Microsoft, would ANY of the HD-DVD exclusive studios still be HD-DVD exclusive? We doubt it. So what does Microsoft have to gain from all this? That's the question that keeps sticking in our minds. By making these deals with the studios, aren't they getting exclusive access to new high-def transfers that they'll be able to turn around and offer on Xbox Live - transfers that they themselves are encoding in VC-1 for the studios at a discounted rate or even for free? And as we've said many times now, doesn't Microsoft's download service stand to gain if this format war continues long enough to discourage most consumers from adopting high-def discs at all? That's the difference between Sony and Microsoft - Sony is heavily supporting their own format for obvious reasons. Microsoft is heavily supporting someone else's format for their own reasons, some of which are obvious (VC-1, HDi) and some not so much.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa141.html

As can be seen here, Bay is not the only guy to dislike the HD DVD camp.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/michael-bay-no-blu-ray-no-transformers-2/

And here's another thing at TheDigitalBits...

We'd heard heard that Michael was a Blu-ray supporter and that he wasn't happy when he found out about Paramount's decision, but we didn't expect that he'd make that displeasure public so quickly. But there you go. FYI, his site has been understandably getting a lot of traffic this morning, so if you're trying to log in, you might want to be patient. Something tells me you're going to start seeing Michael Bay movies on Blu-ray from OTHER studios announced soon...

Speaking of Bay's reaction and Paramount's decision, it seems Michael wasn't alone. A lot of people have been e-mailing the studio in the last 24 hours as you can imagine. Some of the replies to those e-mails have been posted on various discussion forums around the Net. We don't want to get anyone in trouble over there, so we're not going to post the full text of any of them. But among the factoids that have been gleaned from these replies are:

1) All of the previously announced Blu-ray titles that had been completed and were being prepared for release have been cancelled. This includes Blades of Glory, NEXT, Face/Off, Top Gun and the Tom Clancy Collection. Indeed, we've checked the studio's press site and discovered that all of these titles, which had still been listed there for Blu-ray release as late as yesterday, have been removed from the site.

2) The terms of the deal with Microsoft SEEMS to be 18 months, however the deal contains "a lot of clauses which would allow us to release certain films on Blu-ray during this time period." In other words, the studio seems to be leaving itself plenty of wiggle room.

And here's the most interesting bit. This is taken from one of the actual e-mails...

3) "Actually we were as surprised as everyone else today when we found out about the agreement with HD-DVD. We found out when we arrived to work today and there had been no rumors at all circulating. I think it surprised us all because we have been working on Blu-ray versions of films such Blades, Face/Off, Top Gun, etc. through the end of last week. I can tell you we have received many calls today from various talent and certain directors voicing their displeasure with this decision. We even had VP's of other studios calling in from what I hear. I have never seen this type of atmosphere in the office."

In other words, Michael Bay probably wasn't alone among filmmakers that work with Paramount in being pissed off about this news. And it seems that the whole decision was concocted without telling ANYONE actually working on the discs. It was as much a surprise to the studio's employees as it was to the rest of the industry.

Here's another interesting story I've heard through the grapevine. People at Paramount who were working on the HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc versions of Blades of Glory had actually been planning to do some kind of elaborate interactive feature on both versions... except that they discovered the 30GB HD-DVD disc didn't have enough space to do what they'd wanted to do. So they were planning to include this feature exclusively on the Blu-ray version. Now, of course, that's all changed. But this casts some doubt on comments made by Paramount's chief technology officer, Alan Bell, in the media since yesterday, to the effect that the studio considered HD-DVD the superior format from a technical standpoint. Apparently someone didn't tell that to the guys actually WORKING with these formats at the studio.

This whole move most people say reeks of desperation, but that's not how I see it. It's going to do exactly what it's supposed to do, slow Blu-ray adoption down a little bit by adding general confusion to the public. As stated by Chasym, DVD is still the big white elephant in the room. HD DVD is still not a serious contender on Paramount's shift alone, but MS is not trying to win this, just delay it. The rest of the industry wants one unified format and some bridges are being burned. This will bite them in the ass down the line.
 
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