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I started dating my Girlfriend when she was 17 and i was 22 but almost 23. We had some rough spots, because of the maturity level. She thought she was for her age, but like Sabia said, she couldnt keep her check book balanced and overdrafted a decent amount.

She didn't grow up in a great enviroment, and i've helped her a lot. Over two years later, we're about to be engaged. So yeah it can work out. We're both nursing majors and doing really well.
 
I started dating my Girlfriend when she was 17 and i was 22 but almost 23.

That is just 5year. Totaly differnt than 17 and 30. I understand how a 16 year old could fall for a 21 year old and 10 years later have a wonderful life with a beautiful child. At 30 you should know what your doing in life and/or where your going, at 17 you'r just decovering who you are.
 
To OP:

Do a dangerous thing... read your history.

The 18 year old age of majority is a (relatively) new thing when it comes to the grand scope of human history.

Just over 50 years ago, it wouldn't be considered strange for a high school girl to be reading a bridal magazine because more than likely she would be walking down the aisle and starting a family in a couple years.

Just over 100 years ago, girls getting married at 16 would have been considered normal, even in the USA (and certainly in the 'old country').

Go back far enough to the point where the average lifespan was 30-40 years, and you had better believe families were started as soon as girls were physically capable (we're talking prehistoric times here, folks).

What is IMPORTANT to realize, though, is that while we have raised the general consensus on age of majority over time, we have also changed the way we raise children. Go back to rural America in 1908, and you could find boys of 16 fully capable of running the family farm in their father's absence.

Were these boys different than boys you'd find today? Hell yes, they were, and the reason is because they were raised to be able to take responsibility as soon as possible. Every work-capable child meant more success for the farm, so there was little room for molly-coddling children. Leisure was scarce and discipline was harsh, but families turned boys into men and girls into women far faster than we do today.

This also meant life generally sucked for them. They *earned* the right to be treated like adults, because for all intents and purposes, they were. You can't gain maturity if all you're doing is going to school, playing some sports, and then listening to your iPod and going online the rest of the time. Growing up requires hard work and sacrifice - it's just the way life is.

That's not to say you can't be "more mature" at 17 than some folks are in their 20s and 30s. I know fully grown men today who have less maturity than I did in high school. It's a matter of your own life experiences.

Personally, I'd say take a good look at your life and personality and imagine for a second how they are going to change over the next few years. Do you honestly believe that you've become the person you'll be for the majority of your life? If the answer is yes, then you're ready for a relationship, no matter what the age of the other person. If not, than that doesn't necessarily mean that you should break it off. Rather, wait, and give yourself time to establish who you are. If the man in question is a good man, and he likes you for the right reasons, than he should have no issue waiting.

I left home and went to a boarding school when I was 13. So, while I wasn't fully making my own way in the world (I wasn't paying for myself), I did mature faster than average. Back when I was 17, and I graduated from high school, I think I was maybe 80% of the person I am now at 25. While a lot of the underlying foundation of who I am was already set, there was still a fair amount of change to come. Certainly, the next four years would see more 'seasoning' of the person I am now.

Could I have handled a relationship at 17 with someone much older? Yeah, I think I could have. There was one teacher I had in particular with whom I would have *gladly* welcomed such a relationship, but I can't honestly say how it might have turned out. I might have matured greatly and learned a lot from such a relationship, but at the same time, my lack of experience might have caused the whole thing to blow up in my face and become a painful memory.

That's my own experience, use it as you will. Back to you...

I would hope that your mother would have your best interest at heart. Unless she is a huge exception to the rule, she cares about you. Some parents don't listen at all, and if that's the case, there's not much you can do. But most, when any immediate threat is out of the way (such as your boyfriend), will listen and give their advice. This is something you should seek. She's been down the relationship road before, and (ignoring age for a moment) should be able to show you if his intentions are pure or not.

If she can't get over the fact that he's 30 to even *talk* about his other attributes, well, you're out of luck and need to find another trusted confidant. Bottom line, you need to discuss the whole issue with someone who cares about you, and who knows you well enough so that he or she can give good advice. Also, this shouldn't be a friend your age. This needs to be someone older who has at least been in one or two relationships.

As for the man in question, there's not much more the two of you can really do until you're 18, or until your mom comes around. For now, get word to him however you can. He's going to have to wait. As I said before, if he's a good guy, this won't be an issue.

While it sucks that he lost his job, you should not feel guilty because of it. He knew the risks, and should have been prepared for them. Believe you me, in the choice between the woman he loves and his job... a good man will choose the woman in a heartbeat and never look back. Don't think that you owe him something just because he got fired.
 
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This has fledged into quite a discussion, but I still can't understand why people keep saying "he's into you for the sex" or things implying this. How many of the people here know this guy? 1. You're basing your presumptions on his age, and his age alone. You learn from your own mistakes, and if this guy is going to be a mistake, she needs to make this mistake herself.

You can't say she's not on the same level of maturity as him, you can't say why he likes her, you can't say they shouldn't get together. Why? Because you don't know her, and you sure as shit don't know him. It's just not right. Have an opinion on the age gap, by all means, but it's not right to say the guy is into her for sex alone.
 
This has fledged into quite a discussion, but I still can't understand why people keep saying "he's into you for the sex" or things implying this. How many of the people here know this guy? 1. You're basing your presumptions on his age, and his age alone. You learn from your own mistakes, and if this guy is going to be a mistake, she needs to make this mistake herself.

You can't say she's not on the same level of maturity as him, you can't say why he likes her, you can't say they shouldn't get together. Why? Because you don't know her, and you sure as shit don't know him. It's just not right. Have an opinion on the age gap, by all means, but it's not right to say the guy is into her for sex alone.

Actually, I wouldn't be basing that statement on the fact of his age. I'd simply base that on the fact that he's a guy. As a guy, I can relate.

But no, I certainly don't know him. Nor does probably anyone other than the OP.
 
Why'd she have to "find out"? Maybe that's her issue. My mom once told me that if I can't tell her about a guy I'm dating, it's probably because I know better than to be dating him.

If you're not mature enough to be forthright and up front with her about your feelings for this man, she may not see you as mature enough to handle the relationship. Would you tell her about him if he were 17 also?
It's because of the way my mom is. I know the type of person she is, and I knew if I told her up front, she'd react the same way. She'd be trying her best to ruin his life...It's just the way she is, I don't know how to explain that any better.
I would tell her about a relationship with someone my age, though, and she'd still be upset about it (she has been for every bf I've had), but of course not as upset, and would be quickly over it.





Bleh to OP just date.

Then come back later and tell us how foolish you were.

I look forward to reading it.

Everyone has their own opinions, but I'm sure if everyone in the world told you not to date, including your parents, you would not care anyway, you came here posting for an excuse to think it's right. But surprise! Everyone isn't as immature and silly as you are. I'm not insulting you, I'm just stating facts. I bet the 30 year old just wants to have sex with you. After all that's all -most- guys want anyway. And if he's 30 and single well, I'm sure everyone could just assume. (And be 100% correct at that.)

So yeah have at it. I wish you give us a follow up tho ^^.

I'm not even going to say good luck because when senses catch up with that guy your lolyou, you'll see why everyone here wants to bash you for being so (?)... But just don't want to say anything.

You wanted opinions, there's my opinion. Take in both sides good and bad.
I'm not here looking for an excuse :(
More like advice. I wanna hear everyone's opinions and experiences.
I still dunno what to think of it all, though, since I'm hearing as much positives as negatives.

But to those with the negative comments--I wonder if you all have been in similar experiences, and thus have learned things firsthand?
The positive comments I read/hear are often from those who have already been in a similar situation as me.





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As for the man in question, there's not much more the two of you can really do until you're 18, or until your mom comes around. For now, get word to him however you can. He's going to have to wait. As I said before, if he's a good guy, this won't be an issue.

While it sucks that he lost his job, you should not feel guilty because of it. He knew the risks, and should have been prepared for them. Believe you me, in the choice between the woman he loves and his job... a good man will choose the woman in a heartbeat and never look back. Don't think that you owe him something just because he got fired.

Woo! You had alot to say!
Anyways,
Both he and I agreed that we need to wait til I'm 18 before anything, which I rather like...it gives me almost a year to think about the kind of guy he is, how genuine he's being, and what it is I'm doing/if I'm making as big of a mistake and some say I am.
 
Also what ethnicity are you? This could be a cultural difference that some people may or may not be able to relate too
 
I'm not trying to be disrespectfull at all what so ever, your fine in a relationship with a older person as long as you 2 DO NOT HAVE SEX, i had a buddy who was 19 his gf 16 they had sex parents found out, kid is going to jail very very soon :| Even though the girl wanted it and fought her parents and said do do it, they saw it as him manipulating her 'young' mind or some shit like that the law is meh but a relationship is fine but having sex is what gets you in trouble.... not even sex, just messing around
 
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You can't say she's not on the same level of maturity as him, you can't say why he likes her, you can't say they shouldn't get together. Why? Because you don't know her, and you sure as shit don't know him. It's just not right. Have an opinion on the age gap, by all means, but it's not right to say the guy is into her for sex alone.

Yes you can, I'm sorry. This person lives at home with their mother. Has never run a house, probably doesn't pay any major bills, hasn't even graduated HS for goodness sake. She may be mature for a 17 yr old, but a mature 17 year old who still lives at home with mommy, is still NO WHERE near as mature as a 30 year old, not even close.

And I said there is a chance he could genuinely like her, but "odds are" he's doesn't, which is the truth.
 
A 30 year old may seem cool and fun and all that but with you at 17, you really need to experience life more before hooking up with a guy who has already gone through his twentys and may even be set in his ways.

You're young still stick around people your own age range for now, you may feel more mature than many your own age but life experience is a funny thing really it affects us all and you may find you have very little in common as time goes by, and trying to make a mis-matched relationship work is often more trouble than its worth.

Sounds like your mother is just concerned for your well-being, thats natural behaviour from any parent, dont read into what she says, just look at the big picture yourself. 13 years is a lot of time to make up.
 
One quick comment about the word "pedophilia" as it is very commonly misused these days...

When someone is a pedophile, it means that they are sexually attracted to someone who has not reached the age of puberty. For instance, if someone is attracted to a child who is under the age of 10 or so, is a pedophile. If a 30 year old man is sexually attracted to a 17 year old girl, it does not make him a pedophile because the female has been going through puberty for several years. It makes him a 'pervert', or a 'criminal' if he acts sexually on any of those attractions, but it does not make him a "pedophile". The child in question must not have reached the age where the puberty process has started to begin.

Biologically speaking, there is nothing wrong at all with performing sexual acts with under 18 year old females. Their bodies are fully capable to bear children and it's is actually beneficial for a female to have a child as early as possible because their bodies can bounce back from the pregnancy process easier and quicker, however our US laws say that that is illegal for moral reasons. As Celevantes said earlier, not too long ago in our human history, girls as young as 13 or 14 were getting married and starting families because life as we know it was so different then.

My advice would be, still date your 30 year old guy, do whatever you want to. Just be safe. Wear protection, and don't get your guy in trouble, just keep it on the down-low until your 18th birthday, then you can do whatever you want. Until then, just play it cool.
 
But to those with the negative comments--I wonder if you all have been in similar experiences, and thus have learned things firsthand?
The positive comments I read/hear are often from those who have already been in a similar situation as me.

When I was 16 (close to 17, actually), I dated a 30 year old. We had a lot of stuff in common, and he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around. Long story short, he was a loser. My family never found out, I never got "in trouble", but I did learn from the experience.
 
This has fledged into quite a discussion, but I still can't understand why people keep saying "he's into you for the sex" or things implying this. How many of the people here know this guy? 1. You're basing your presumptions on his age, and his age alone. You learn from your own mistakes, and if this guy is going to be a mistake, she needs to make this mistake herself.

You can't say she's not on the same level of maturity as him, you can't say why he likes her, you can't say they shouldn't get together. Why? Because you don't know her, and you sure as shit don't know him. It's just not right. Have an opinion on the age gap, by all means, but it's not right to say the guy is into her for sex alone.


how old are you? Do you have any children?

Ive noticed most kids think its ok to where most adults are all saying the samething.

Also IMO, If you dont want your mom to know your doing something then you most likely shouldnt be doing it. Moms may seem overprotecting soemthing, we've been young before and we are older now. Your understanding of the world is better and any good mom will protect the ones the love most in the world.
 
Biologically speaking, there is nothing wrong at all with performing sexual acts with under 18 year old females. Their bodies are fully capable to bear children and it's is actually beneficial for a female to have a child as early as possible because their bodies can bounce back from the pregnancy process easier and quicker, .

My brothers little girl is 11 and she has had her period before therefor she can bear children, so dose that mean she can sleep with a 30 year old. Not if you dont wanna get killed. Men talking about a woman body after having children. Well you squeeze one out then get back at me. Beside even if and i mean if your body bounces back as I have yet to see that. A kid having a kid then the kid don't get to be a kid anymore so ok maybe and i mean maybe they may get thier body back but what good is that if you don't have a life. Also what happens when everyone gets older. He turns 50 and she is in her 30. Let see how much they have in common. And who wants to be a grandma at the age of 22 as that can happen if an 11 yr old which can bear kids has one then thiers has one at the same age.
 
This is a tricky subject, because I know from personal experience that it's not 100% cut and dry. Prepare for a wall of text as I relate my experience.

Even looking back with the wisdom of age, I can honestly say I'd always been mature for my age, going all the way back to Kindergarten, which I started a year early. By first grade I was tutoring other kids in my class. By fifth grade, I actually had a job at the school: assistant secretary. I'd help the school secretary out, even to the extent of being in charge of the office when she went on break and ringing the bell to signal the end of recess if she wasn't back from her break when the time came. I had my first savings account at 10, and my first checking account at 16 (which I never overdrew).

When I was 15, I started dating a guy who was 20. We dated for just over a year and a half, and I learned a lot from the relationship. Most important thing I learned was the guy was a bonafide grade-A loser. Looking back, I know with certainty that it was a huge mistake to be involved with the guy romantically. Even as a highly mature 15 year old, I still didn't have enough experience under my belt to recognize a deadbeat, though. I thought it was so cool, how he was 20 but still rocked out like a high schooler.

However, if there's any one thing you can definitely say about me, it's that I learn fast and rarely make the same mistake twice. In the course of dating the deadbeat, I met another guy, one of his friends. This guy was even older; 24 to my 16. He was polar opposite to the deadbeat boyfriend. Whereas the deadbeat was living at home, and struggling at community college (I, as a high schooler, was tutoring him and helping him with his college math homework) the older guy already had his own place, had a BS in Biology from a major university, and was working full-time in the medical field. You're probably thinking, why the fuck was there any connection between us, and the answer is RPG's. Yes, we were mega-nerds, and we all played tabletop RPG's together. For almost a year that was the only connection we had, once a week or so we'd play Shadowrun.

The summer of my 16th year things were winding down between me and the deadbeat. I'd gained some perspective in preparing for my senior year, and subsequent college beyond that. I knew there was no future for us. Having a major crush on the 24 year old didn't help either, but I really didn't think there was any future there either. Then one day, the deadbeat boyfriend told me the 24 year old had an interest in me, but refused to act on it because a) I was already involved and b) I was only 16. I still don't know why the deadbeat boyfriend told me about it, maybe he thought I'd think it was funny or gross, who knows. Anyway, needless to say I dumped the deadbeat very shortly after finding that out.

Two weeks after I turned 17 (age of consent in IL) I asked out the older guy (who was now 25), which means that this October will make 13 years we've been together. (Yes, you just found out how old I am right there!) So in short, I think that these sorts of relationships can work, but it very, very highly depends on the couple themselves. Osse was always very cautious and respectful, and made sure that I was always the one taking initiative in the relationship. I was mature enough to understand that doing anything before age of consent was only going to put him at risk, so before I turned 17 we didn't do anything other than shake hands.

So direct advice to the OP: take the time between now and you reaching the age of consent to put the relationship on hold, and think long and hard about whether there's genuinely any future between the two of you. Once you're legal if you want to pursue him do so with my blessing- as long as it's always on your terms and not his.
 
I agree with quite a few people here; sure age may be just a number, but in reality, age is an indication of your current spot along the human life course. I am 23 and I will personally not date anyone younger than me, based on the fact of where they are in their life, and just the same I will not date anyone 5 years older than me for the same reason.

This is my own personal bias however. I won't date a man older than me by 5 years because at that age they are looking to settle down, buy a house and start raising a family while I am still in the middle of building my career, discovering who I am and want to have my freedoms still. I am not saying that settled people aren't free or anything, I just want to do the things I want to do before getting into stability.
 
My brothers little girl is 11 and she has had her period before therefor she can bear children, so dose that mean she can sleep with a 30 year old. Not if you dont wanna get killed. Men talking about a woman body after having children. Well you squeeze one out then get back at me. Beside even if and i mean if your body bounces back as I have yet to see that. A kid having a kid then the kid don't get to be a kid anymore so ok maybe and i mean maybe they may get thier body back but what good is that if you don't have a life. Also what happens when everyone gets older. He turns 50 and she is in her 30. Let see how much they have in common. And who wants to be a grandma at the age of 22 as that can happen if an 11 yr old which can bear kids has one then thiers has one at the same age.


Actually I agree with on the subject you're taking against the OP. It's impossible she's as mature as the 30 year old

Off-topic, but about that comment mort said. Biologically speaking, the human body is made to have children at an early age. Women go through puberty at a young age for a reason, to have children early so the body can recover. If it wasn't desgined for this, then puberty wouldn't hit till a much later stage. The only difference now, is society has changed. Women have become more independent, want jobs, and are as every bit as equal to men. Women don't have time to take care of children anymore at early ages, they won't jobs of their own. So over the last 100 years, society has changed views.

Just 80 years ago, most our great grandparents had children no latter then 15. In the 1300s-1500s the day you "flowered" you were married off and that night you consummated the marriage with sex and more times then not got pregnant right off. (this is kinda funny because it was tradition for the family to cheer you on outside the bedroom while it happened lol)
 
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Years ago woman had children at 13 but back then woman died haveing children often. Also life expectancy was at the age of 50.

Would you want your 13-16 year old child having children?
 
Years ago woman had children at 13 but back then woman died haveing children often. Also life expectancy was at the age of 50.

Would you want your 13-16 year old child having children?


Hell no. And I never said that. I said biologically speaking its right, but not in our time and day of morals, and how we were raised. Humans aren't as mature as they were 100+ years ago. Society has slowed down childhood. Back then, children at the age of 11-12 had to work just as hard as as adult males. Young females had to help run households. More responsibility was given to kids (if you can call them that, at 12 most were considered grown ups).

Back then, 20+ year old women died in childbirth as well. Even now, women would die if we didnt have the medical field we have today.
 
Well if anything as an 18 year old guy I wouldn't mind a woman who was around 21~23 because personally I prefer a woman who has a general idea what she wants in life over(from what I hear ya'll never do :"( ) the little 15-18 teenyboppers around who just use you for rides, gifts and anything they can.
 
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