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The U.S. isn't the only country that declaws cats, plenty of people do it around the world. In some countries they eat cats.

You also have to teach cats at a pretty young age what they can and cannot scratch. Also, I did not read the full article about cats and claws, but I am pretty sure declawing them makes them... "stupid".

I've owned cats since I was born and my parents had them since they were born.
 
I dont know what can actually teach a cat not to scratch things short of hitting them, and Im not going to hit them, lol. Telling them to stop (lol like that will work anyway) and loud noises just dont work, but snapping my fingers sometimes does, because theyll walk over to me after that. They still dont learn not to scratch things though, they keep doing it. I also did mention buying scratch posts and toys for them

Also, I play with my cats, and have scars and such on my hands from where Ive been scratched/bit by them, and its really just playing gently. These have been from toms and girls, so its not whether its a boy or not.

The cats will grab your hand with their claws out, and bite you, and use their hind legs and scratch the crap out of your hand, lol. I dont know why they like doing this, but they do, and they do it just for playing with them.

Edit: For some odd reason, I have a piece of Bustaballs sig in mine... wtf
First of, you teach it slightly the same way you teach a dog things. A dog will, most of the time when you come home, go up to you, jump on you etc. They want to get close to your face, sicne that's their way of saying "Hello" and show their happiness that you're home. Simply telling it "No" in an angry voice won't make their behaviour stop. The way you handle this, is to everytime you come home, ignore him untill he stops, and when he's stopped, you say hello and welcome him. Eventualyl he'll learn that there's no use jumping up and down in excitement.

Cats however are more stuborn. They're also more self-centered and individual. Outdoor cats don't even need to be fed, they will get food and water themselves. However, you can't expect them to return home if you never feed them. So cats naturally need a slightly longer learning cycle, unless they are kittens. Kittens are easy to teach almost anything, just like how its easy to teach puppies. Children from all species are curious, and will explore new things and options. and adult stray will be extremely hard to tame, but a kitten will become tame just by having you present. Mainly because they will consider you one of their siblings, or even a parent. When they're adult. That's the largest difference between adult cats and adult dogs, as adult dogs will consider you part of the heard, while cats will consider you more like a sibling or parent.

Dogs on the other hand can be more problematic if you do things that allow them to becoem of a higher rank then you. That's things like letting it win. If it constantly jumps up in the bed until lyou say "screw it", and let it sleep in the bed, that's a victory for him. Or sayign hello to the dog and letting it rest its paws on your shoulders, which is a direct indication that you're a lower rank then them.

Cats don't have a ranking system in the same way. You teach it by being more stubborn then them. If it scratches you, don't tell it to stop. Shout "Ouch" and push your leg outwards. Don't interact with it, just ignore it untill it changes its behaviour, like mjaouing besides you, or cuddling towards your leg. You need to reward the good behaviour and ignore the bad. If she learns that scratchign your leg gets your attention the fastest, she will repeat that behaviour in order to save time. That's why you should say hi to your cat when you see her walking by, in order to show her that she have your attention, thus reducing the need to catch your attention. Just remember to say it in a childish voice, otherwise she won't know you're talking to her.

Most animals, both cats and dogs, communicate by different tones. Not actuall words. A darker, more rough voice, is used as a warning. Showing teeth is a challange and last warning for their opponent to give up and show they're lower rank then them. A normal tone is usually an indication that they want something, while a more high-pitched and gentle tone is a way of saying you accept someone and that they're doing something good. As for cats, they assume that you're not talking to them every time you don't use the childish gentle voice. Dogs on the other hand almost always assume you're talking to them, and almost always start swagging their tale soon as you open your mouth if you're facing their direction.

And yes, as Pastry mentioned, its easier to teach them while they're kittens. Luckily for me, none of our cats are bought. They're all raised by us from the time they were newly born.
 
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Learn from your mistake and never do it again. Its so easy to never quite understand your own strength with something so small and fragile, and I myself has made that mistake once. You can't beat yourself up over it AS LONG AS you learned from it. We all do things we don't mean to do at some point. Your story was very touching, you obviously feel bad about it. It brought tears to me while reading it and I'm very happy to hear the kitten is ok, not only for it, but for you as well.

On another note:

o.O; You can get animals at any age there? Its almost animal cruelty to sepperate a 3-4 weeks old kitten from its mom <.<

When I lived in Missouri, I lived in a super backwoods hick low population area. Most people get rid of kittens and puppies much too early, and if they cant, they put them in a trash bag and throw them in the river. While working for the sheriff's department I became aware just how often it happens. If I had to chose, I'd rather take a kitten/puppy young than have it end up with that fate.

Or people will just lie about the age. I went to a Jack Russel breeder to get my dog I've had for three years now, and when I got him on Dec. 30th I was told he was 8 weeks old and had been given all his booster shots. Then the next morning he had a massive load of worms coming out of him and he was doing that crazy yelp scream dogs do sometimes. So I took him to the Vet and the vet told me he was nearly 4 weeks old at best. I got the paper work from the AKA since hes pure bred and registered, and his birthdate was Nov. 24th. So the breeder gave him all his booster shots in one day, seperated him from his mother at 4 weeks, and lied to me as well. Ace suffered from really bad seperation anxiety for maybe the first year of his life. He became very attatched to me almost too much so. If I left him alone he would scream bloody murder (not good in an apartment), he would refuse to sleep anywhere but on my pillow. He would even bring mouthfuls of dog food to wherever I was in the house and eat it by my feet, go and get another mouthful, come back, etx etx. (Still does that, and the vets only reasoning is it resorts back to some psychological meaning dealing with him being taken away from his mother so early.)

But yeah, theres no law about how old an animal can or cant be when its sold. And in a way its the responsibility of the buyer to look into how old the animal is too. If I had known more about dogs, Jack Russels in particular, I might of been able to tell the age better, and would of waited another month before picking him up.
 
Yeah, that's stuff that can happen when you seperate them from their mom at a too early age, which is why I'm not fond of it. Dogs are even more fragile then cats, though, dogs live in groups and have a hierarchy (sp?).
 
WTF, why would you remove a cat's claws? And why only front claws?

Simple answer: Front claws because he used our leather sofas as scratch posts.

Long answer: (insert short answer). The back claws are mostly for balance for when they land, jump, and other things.

Edit: Uz we tried everything to get him to stop. We used spray bottle of water he enjoyed that one. Tried putting packing tape so his paws would stick, not my idea, and a multitude of other ways such as thumping him lightly on the head.
 
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Because you're doing it wrong. The idea isn't to punish him. He's a cat, he won't understand that, he'll just think you're mean. You need to be consisted with cats.

First of, do you have a scratching post for him? Put catnip on it. Catnip will, for the majority of cats, affct them in a way that makes them extremely playful. He'll start trying to lick the catnip off, and scratch his claws against it etc. Second of, cary him away to the scratch post when he do that. This will make him realize that the scratch post is probaly better for sharpening of his claws.

And Ruffy, he plays with your hands because he was allowed to do that as a kitten. thus, he'll think that every time you pet his stomache in a similar way, he'll think you're playing with him. That's why you need to stop doing that before 8-9 weeks of age so it doesn't stick with him. Preferably, you don't do it at all with them. Because that can, indeed, hurt like hell.
 
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Chiimi has house cats. I used to hate cats and was quite scared when I first visited Chiimi. However I love Tom and Jerry now, they are so cute and adorable. Only thing that annoys me with them is their random "I want to come up to you and appear as if I want to be stroked and cuddled but then i'll run away moods". That and they appear to be a little scared of me when I stand up.
 
And Ruffy, he plays with your hands because he was allowed to do that as a kitten. thus, he'll think that every time you pet his stomache in a similar way, he'll think you're playing with him. That's why you need to stop doing that before 8-9 weeks of age so it doesn't stick with him. Preferably, you don't do it at all with them. Because that can, indeed, hurt like hell.

Its fun as hell to play with cats like that though =p. Thick sweater and harass away! Got the scars to prove it =D
 
And Ruffy, he plays with your hands because he was allowed to do that as a kitten. thus, he'll think that every time you pet his stomache in a similar way, he'll think you're playing with him. That's why you need to stop doing that before 8-9 weeks of age so it doesn't stick with him. Preferably, you don't do it at all with them. Because that can, indeed, hurt like hell.

What about leaving them about to play with other kittens? Sometimes that cats play like that even when I didnt do it to them when they were kittens
 
What about leaving them about to play with other kittens? Sometimes that cats play like that even when I didnt do it to them when they were kittens
Kittens play like that with eachother to grow stronger, and to learn how to fight out in the nature when they grow older. As long as the kittens do it amongst themselves, its not a problem, and they won't do it to you when they grow old, provided you didn't teach them that its OK. Atleast, none of my cats have ever grown in to that kind of behaviour unless we played with them ourselves like that.
 
Glad to hear your kitty's ok, Chas :)

One really good way to look at a scare like this is as a warning - this is what anger can do. Miracles are generally taken to convey some deeper message, and one fine message to take away from this would be to keep a tighter hold on that anger that we all feel from time to time, be it at pets, friends, family, or whomever.

I second what some of these other folks have been saying. Even if you're strapped for cash right now, it prolly wouldn't be a bad idea to call an animal clinic to at least find out whether or not they think it might need a (wait for it . . .) cat scan (sorry ><).

In all seriousness, I've known lotsa Vets in my time, and most of em I've known are caring people to whom money comes in as a distant second in their considerations, so a phone call couldn't possibly hurt.

And yes, I'm with you - miracles happen every day.
 
Derail: Jug of Melk.
 
Because you're doing it wrong. The idea isn't to punish him. He's a cat, he won't understand that, he'll just think you're mean. You need to be consisted with cats.

First of, do you have a scratching post for him? Put catnip on it. Catnip will, for the majority of cats, affct them in a way that makes them extremely playful. He'll start trying to lick the catnip off, and scratch his claws against it etc. Second of, cary him away to the scratch post when he do that. This will make him realize that the scratch post is probaly better for sharpening of his claws.

And Ruffy, he plays with your hands because he was allowed to do that as a kitten. thus, he'll think that every time you pet his stomache in a similar way, he'll think you're playing with him. That's why you need to stop doing that before 8-9 weeks of age so it doesn't stick with him. Preferably, you don't do it at all with them. Because that can, indeed, hurt like hell.

We do have a scratching post had it before the declaw. He never freaking uses the thing the only time he does is when we put cat nip on it. We even tried moving him so we took a last resort route.
 
WTF, why would you remove a cat's claws? And why only front claws?

Honestly removing a cats claws is not a great thing to do, but when it comes down to either rescuing a cat from a shelter (which is how I've gotten all of my cats) and giving it a loving home or leaving it in a shelter that will either a) keep it in a cage for 95% of the rest of its life or b) euthanize the cat, what would you rather do? Personally I'd rather rescue the cat and provide it with a ton of indoor space to play.

I hate to declaw a cat but I had to with my current cat. I refuse to spend a few thousand dollars on new furniture, not to mention carpet, and have it be destroyed by my cat. Also, if that situation is happening you are always either yelling at the cat or spraying it with a water bottle, neither of which is healthy for the cat's long-term mental health I would think. :P Either way she had a couple of weeks of discomfort in exchange for a good, long life.
 
I'm really glad your cat is okay but you probably shouldn't be getting animals if you can't afford to take care of them.

Also - some vets can work out a payment plan if you're financially hurting, it's something you might want to look into. Try contacting local Cat rescue groups too for some help.

PS: Declawing cats is cruel mutilation that can cause serious psychological damage later in life.
 
I never, even to this day, wanted to get him declawed. I understand where my parents were coming from with the declawing. It was either take the last resort route or be paying to have furniture repair all the time.

I don't think at this time he really minds it. He still goes at it with our dog just like before. Heck just the other day he pretty bite my dog's lip and kind of hung there for a second. Would have made an awesome picture I wish I had a cam at the time to snap a shot.
 
PS: Declawing cats is cruel mutilation that can cause serious psychological damage later in life.

I agree, but which is preferable? Declawing or letting the cat be euthenized? My only slightly tubby (don't listen to Tenk she isn't fat!) cat is very happy and from what I can tell isn't seriously traumatized. She is very spoiled, as all cats should be. :biggrin:

(Trust me, if I had been able to train her to not scratch everything I would have...we tried for months. Sometimes it comes down to whether or not you can live with the animal, and in my case it wasn't going to be possible without declawing her. She's much better off than she would be at the shelter where I found her.)
 
Next time try water. Cats hate being sprayed with water.

Any my sister's cat has these flexible plastic slip clovers for her claws. The cat can still protect herself but doesn't tear up the leather furniture. The only problem is that they're hot pink so it looks like she is wearing pink nailpolish :(
 
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