Misc Rant

[Passions]

Mushroom stew
MP +40
Strength -1
Mind +4
MP Regeneration While Healing +4
Enmity -4

Wizard cookies (only ones i've seen used in later lvls)
MP Regeneration While Healing +7
Plantoid Killer
Resist Slow

so where's your logic? 3 extra mp every 3 seconds = 1mp/sec

yet again, you go speaking w/out researching.
you have to be resting for 30seconds before you start regen also BTW. blm clear mind is higher the whm clear mind also.

also you speak of not lvling because of nOObs, but in my eye's you are what you describe as a nOOb. and even though they are nOObs, you can still go out there and kick back and relax and get at least a few xp and chat it up with friends. you know when i play whm, and can only stand to play it during this time? I'M BAKED OUT OF MY MIND! where i can sit there and space off pretty much and still keep up with what i need the be doing 63 lvls thus far so i over smoke a lot but you'll never see a rant about me being a bad whm cause i get shit done, i keep my mana up and i could talk circles around you as what whm stats do. I've got experience on my belt from other jobs, other whm's, and what stat's really do not just what i read on ALLA.

 

[Passions]

Vermillion cloak is the first piece of gear you can get ahold of with autorefresh on it, and it is usable for more than 1 job, unlike demon's cloak and noble's tunic.

very good point
{/clap}

the ability to use it between jobs, and the supply and demand on it, you hit it right on. while i dont see it to help full for rdm, its still extra mp coming to you the help you keep going.

but you hit it pretty good as why the price is so high. that and they took the cloth off of aquraious (spelled wrong) so its a lil tougher to get now. that drove price up a bit.

 

[Bigboy]

Most RDM don't use a very due to a lack of noticable bonuses. We loose MP in the trade off, and the autorefresh is not as noticable. Not to say people don't use it, but I doubt many RDM bought it for their RDM jobs. If you have it from a previous job, why not? Otherwise, it's not such a desirable piece.

With a macro pallet full of this crap:
/equip neck
/equip ring1
/equip ring2
/equip hands
/equip main
/ma spell

The only way to fit a vermillion cloak into the picture is with a rest macro like this:
/equip main dark staff
/equip body vermillion cloak
/equip head pimp cap
/equip body tabard

That rest macro will actually toggle between a RDM's cloak and tabard/hat setup and is the only efficient way I can see using this cloak. Credit to that macro should goto Phraust though, since we were talking about toggle macros the other day and I just applied that principle to this situation on the fly...

 

[Thnikkaman]

I don't party because of the noobs who suck so bad that I actually end up LOSING exp instead of gaining it. Either way, the reason I post up flames is because I wanna hear other peoples opinions of stuff that I personally think is wrong. I still say the Vermillion Cloak isn't worth jack shit, but I guess you've persuaded me enough to say it's decent. I knew for a fact I was gonna get lots of hate about the Ver. Cloak though. Moving on...

 

[Cythe]

I don't party because of the noobs who suck so bad that I actually end up LOSING exp instead of gaining it. Either way, the reason I post up flames is because I wanna hear other peoples opinions of stuff that I personally think is wrong. I still say the Vermillion Cloak isn't worth jack shit, but I guess you've persuaded me enough to say it's decent. I knew for a fact I was gonna get lots of hate about the Ver. Cloak though. Moving on...

Now I know there are many n00bs as you say, but I managed to get my RDM clear to 61 with little to no huge partying problems. This leads me to believe that the person causing all the problems in your party is you. Considering the quality of your flames, that doesn't surprise me.

Btw, for you rocket scientists insulting V Cloak...Why is it worth it? Because when you have a Refresher, and the cloak, you get a grand total of 4 MP per tick. My static WHM wears this, on top of subbing SMN. Now we're talking about 5 MP per tick. It's a much bigger difference then people seem to think, considering you spend most of your battles standing, not sitting. On top of refresh, it makes collosal difference. Last party we had, the BLM had a V Cloak as well. We never had a big resting period anytime for the entire party.

PS: Don't insult people calling them 'cheap n00bs' and then follow that with a complaint about the pricing/validity of a very very very good item.

 

[Halifirien]

This thread made me smile, because I was in a steelshell skillup party tonight with Quieren, Neyla, Veresko and some others (I learned Hexa Strike!) and at one point Quieren let me borrow his Vermy Cloak to try it out.

I didn't like it. I didn't like the stats and I didn't like not being able to equip headgear. I'm not going to knock WHMs who use it -- if you can make it work, good for you -- but it gets a hearty "Thumbs Down" from me when I'm playing WHM. Noble's Tunic all the way (when I can afford it).

As for WHMs without spells... AAAAAGH! It's pretty simple: If you can learn it, you should learn it. I'm forgiving on Erase up to a point, but there's no real justification for not having your spells up to date. And when you get them, use them. I hear too many horror stories about bad WHMs who never use Bar- spells and let status ailments linger on and on.

 

[Thnikkaman]

I agree entirely with Halifirien... but I wouldn't give Ver. Cloak a "thumbs down". It's good... just one of those things that are WAY too expensive for it's own good.

If I'M the problem in the parties, then why do I often get invites when I'm /anon with my flag down, with people saying stuff like "We need a good white mage to party. Can you please come?"

The quality of my flames? Of course they're gonna be shit. They're meant to be shit. I'm ranting about stuff that like 99% of the people either are, or disagree on. I have an idea- how about I start putting flames up saying that white mages should be main healers? That would be agreeable by everyone 'eh?

 

[pakomen]

No. Blue Mages should be main healers. WHM's are just teleporters Bish

Vermillion Cloak gets a thumbs down for me. It might be nice for a paladin for standing refresh (I agree with that), but it's a HUGE waste of money IMO for any mage class. Eat a cookie and rest if you need mp. I made it to 75 without one and I know several others who have as well. In my opinion, it's a status symbol more than anything. Because a mage would be MUCH better off (a blm at least) buying HQ staves and pimping himself out the best he possibly can.

I'unno. Maybe you whm's have money to burn. But 10M for refresh is just rediculous.

 

[Passions]

why not get it as a stock holder for nobles tunic? lol i mean i'm sure the resale value of it would be more then when you bought it, and nobles tunic seems the stay pretty stable so far

yes you can make it to 75 w/out it, but if you "can" have it's worth it. no i didn't suffer from no hq staffs 6/8 i dont see the other ones worthy of being in my inv, maybe dark hq someday but i'm in no rush for it.

 

[Thnikkaman]

I guess it would be a decent thing to have. But like Pakomen said- it's just a waste of gil. I've tried the stockholders thing... I'd need gil to get the Ver Cloak before I could get it anyway. It's just mine and a few others' opinions. My friend's gonna show me a way to make like 3-4mil per week though. When that happens, I won't be as gimp as I am now haha.
Main: Light / Dark staff, Darksteel Mace
Sub: Holy Shield (with Mace on Main)
Head: Condom hat (ie: WHM AF)
Body: Holy Breastplate / Seer's Tunic
Hands: Mycophile Cuffs / Devotee's Mitts
Legs: Healer's Pantaloons
Feet: Healer's Duckbills
Earrings: Wing Earring x2
Rings: Electrum x2
Is the shits, I know. haha

 

[pakomen]

My friend's gonna show me a way to make like 3-4mil per week though.

Lol. Let me know how it works out. Get ready for a letdown

Sorry, I'm skeptical. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

 

[Mishaela]

Why the HELL do you have +agi on a WHM?

Anyways...I don't see Vermy as worth it at all. Back when it was 4mil or so, huge maybe, but now...I mean 8-10mil for 20mp/min alone isn't that great, and the only job that'd get any great benefit from it is a standing PLD (who will be standing there for maybe, MAYBE 20seconds tops inbetween pulls..)..

WHM, BLM and BRD can all use it, but chances are they'll be resting just as many tics as they would without it (and the possible MP loss from unequipping body/headgear..); RDM should be able to manage MP decent enough to never run out due to Convert and all...SMN can use this while playing healer or something, but while an avatar is out it's just the same as using Austere Robe.

Personally, I'd say just up Alchemy and bring a few items to make your own hi-ethers or something.

 

[The Druw]

Vermillion Cloak = Status Symbol to wear while farming. *shrugs* I know a few PLD's who had it for that reason.

 

[Uzor]

The only way to fit a vermillion cloak into the picture is with a rest macro like this:
/equip main dark staff
/equip body vermillion cloak
/equip head pimp cap
/equip body tabard

That rest macro will actually toggle between a RDM's cloak and tabard/hat setup and is the only efficient way I can see using this cloak. Credit to that macro should goto Phraust though, since we were talking about toggle macros the other day and I just applied that principle to this situation on the fly...

Um, what do you expect this to do? Once you've pressed this macro, you will end up with a dark staff, warlock's chapeau and warlock's tabard... you won't "toggle" between the vermillion cloak and AF...

And you don't need to use equip macroes in all macroes. I have about 6 macroes with exclusive equipment change for different situations. One "Enfeebling magic" macro with equipment I use in enfeeblign etc. And then I just change the staff/rings in the macro itself (slow, paralyze etc.).

As for vermillion cloak, it is very much worth ir before you get the other refresh equipment "Black Cloak, Noble's Tunic, Ying Yang Robe), and it just blows Seer's away...

I guess it would be a decent thing to have. But like Pakomen said- it's just a waste of gil. I've tried the stockholders thing... I'd need gil to get the Ver Cloak before I could get it anyway. It's just mine and a few others' opinions. My friend's gonna show me a way to make like 3-4mil per week though. When that happens, I won't be as gimp as I am now haha.
Main: Light / Dark staff, Darksteel Mace
Sub: Holy Shield (with Mace on Main)
Head: Condom hat (ie: WHM AF)
Body: Holy Breastplate / Seer's Tunic
Hands: Mycophile Cuffs / Devotee's Mitts
Legs: Healer's Pantaloons
Feet: Healer's Duckbills
Earrings: Wing Earring x2
Rings: Electrum x2
Is the shits, I know. haha

Let me ask you... at 61, wtf do you useHoly Briestplate and Seer's Tunic on your WHM? Is it because you get hit much? Looking at your equipment, the only -enmity items I can see is the HEaler's Pantaloons and Healer's Cap. In all honesty, please, use healer's mitts and AF body... and you'll see that you don't have any problems with getting hit -.-; Seriously, your equipment sucks. Why would you want to use +AGI on your WHM? If you're a good WHM you shouldn't need the +AGI for evasion...

And unless you're going to level a craft, I don't see how you could make 3-4 mil a week, unless you plan on doing BCNM's. But you won't be able to keep that up for long since you'll run out of seals...

 

[Dowzer]

you know when i play whm, and can only stand to play it during this time? I'M BAKED OUT OF MY MIND! where i can sit there and space off pretty much and still keep up with what i need the be doing 63 lvls thus far so i over smoke a lot but you'll never see a rant about me being a bad whm cause i get shit done, i keep my mana up and i could talk circles around you as what whm stats do. I've got experience on my belt from other jobs, other whm's, and what stat's really do not just what i read on ALLA.

Get to 75, come cure my souleater...rake in limit points and (blaze spikes)!

 

[Myrrh]

to be honest there is a small part of me that likes the prices of everything and how they are going up. i mean think about if something was uber cheap(let's say Vcloak) lets say it was 500k right now its pretty easy to get that much gil, which means that EVERYONE would have one. Now with it being 8~12 million gil it makes it so people have to earn it and not just do 1 bcnm, enm, garrison and so on for like 500k. like I'm a 59 whm and i am trying to save all i can to buy that vermy or get it made (and hope for a +1) and right now i have 1 D cloth (thank you Darkdominion) and 200k saved up so far and will i keep do tele whoring, ENMs, BCNMs to get it. i want to start doing garrisons to get my other parts. and the hard part is i need to keep buying new spells because spell gimp is the worst kind of gimp. but it doesn't bother me and hell i won't lie i do spend time trying to low bid on a vermy just hoping i get a lucky break lol.

 

[Thnikkaman]

Hey, I told you my equip sucks crap. It's not as much for the AGI that I use the Wing Earrings, it's for the resist versus wind. I dunno if you guys know or not, but that also gives resistance to Silence and that's actually had me prevent Silence and save my party in a couple accounts.
Why don't I have WHM AF hands and body? Every time I ask for help, everyone's busy or something. All my high level friends either quit or are just never around. Plus, because I never actually go out partying, the AGI and DEF is nice for power leveling and stuff. I dodge over 3x as much as my mithra PLD friend because of the AGI I have. Don't believe me? I can't prove it, but you don't have to believe me.

My equip only really sucks because I kinda gave up leveling White Mage because of the noobs. I had dual Astrals before and everything. After a few consecutive bad tanks and stuff, I figured I'd have more fun just getting exp at a concentrated 9000 after the three ENM's, and maybe do the chocobo run for some extra exp.

 

[Uzor]

There's several reasons you dodge more...

1) you might be higher level
2) you have higher evasion.

PLD evasion and AGI are both better than PLD

And thnikkaman. I know wind resistance raises resistance against silence, and that's why I cast Baraera whenever I fight something that can silence me... You are much better of with MP earrings

 

[Thnikkaman]

There's several reasons you dodge more...

1) you might be higher level
2) you have higher evasion.

PLD evasion and AGI are both better than PLD

And thnikkaman. I know wind resistance raises resistance against silence, and that's why I cast Baraera whenever I fight something that can silence me... You are much better of with MP earrings

1) She's 5 levels higher than me.
2) You're right, WHM have higher base AGI.

WHM* evasion and AGI are both better than PLD

Yeah, Baraera's nice alright. I use it too. As I use Barwatera versus Crabs and Barfira versus Goblins. However, the MP earrings?... You can either spend like 10,000g on +4 MP or 1.5mil on 25HP>MP. Personally, I'd rather just stick with the extra evasion and resistance.

Brings up another point-- wouldn't Drone Earrings far surpass those Dodge Earrings for NIN? Like... 5 AGI would be about 4 Evasion, so the evasion things are a little bit better in that way. But the AGI+ from the Drones would give you extra evasion, extra ranged accuracy, and the wind resistance and silence resistance. My friend argued that it was worth the extra evasion, but I still say Drones are better. What are your opinions?

 

[Uzor]

5 AGI does not equall 4 evasion...