My first flame.

[wolfskymoon]

"Best as"

 

[wolfskymoon]

Funny though.That tigran guy i met on my RDM also! and he almost made me quit my RDM.He kept bitching that i didn't refresh his freaking MP along with the 2 mil other people so he can cast his almost useless absorb spells and the not-needed stun.Btw i'm just gonna toss a /salute to all the rdms right hur right now cuz u guys go through alot for sure

 

[Grem]

You're not gimped but you are a huge asshole for sure.You were casting avatars in mid of fights when i invited you as a main healer... and then if someone dies you blamed it on me.Then you started picking on me that i had a baron's HQ hat n that it has +2 enmity.That hat the highest int till my AF hat... and not even once did i ever get hate from that +2 enmity.And generally i don't think anyone should care if a summoner has fenrir/diabolos or not (Atleast not till expansion)because smns are usually main healers.Yes summon can do OK dmg but then again so can a pld/nin and a rdm/war.Smns atm are best healers till 75 n then they are very awesome DDs cuz of the moves and new blood pacts they have

Yes. Because bloodpacts like earthen ward, aerial armour and hastega are REALLY not useful.

you had 80% MP and were still resting when I went to BP, did you help? NO, the THF had to tell you when to use dispel because you were too retarded to tell when a beetle is buffing itself

And you can shut the fuck up, Mr "I don't refresh half the time, 40mp really adds up"

 

[Darthyoda]

It is because of the attitude mentioned above that I have stopped levelling my smn until I get Fenrir. Fortunate for me, I have three jobs already using staves, and one job over 65.. so getting Fenrir is not entirely unrealistic. And because I'm part of a great and supportive LS, I have my carbie mitts, and am well on my way in COP to get Diabolos, and Fenrir. Thanks again to Kenyan for so many of my whispers. Rather than deal with the hassle of the "do you have Fenrir yet" denials, I'll continue with my main, and rdm until I do have Fenrir..

It's a shame that others' opinions have a direct influence on those that want to enjoy a facet of the game that we all enjoy.

btw Carbie mitts are nice.. real nice.. but they're not the end all be all.
at 34 carbie still costs me 1 mp per tick while he's out.

 

[Grem]

btw Carbie mitts are nice.. real nice.. but they're not the end all be all.
at 34 carbie still costs me 1 mp per tick while he's out.

That is what I thought, who uses Carby in a PT anyway? :s

 

[Blabj]

I'd say Moriki won that one on the account of: WSM Promoting completely Gimp Subs, Not taking into account that his RDM should have higher powered Cures, That Summoners can only main heal because of /whm, which will never be as good as the real thing, even if summoners do get AoE buffs (once a minuite, I should add.

Theres alot of ways I could argue against summoners main healing, but at the end of the day it means more partys, and it just makes the partys that you can DD in just that bit better

Moriki for teh win of this thread.

 

[Blabj]

That is what I thought, who uses Carby in a PT anyway? :s

At 1mp per tick he's a good DoT for a party situation, and at 51 with a HQ light and Mitts, he's a free avatar, so thats always good Although I guess if you're main healing the 1mp /tick you'd receive from having no pets out is better than a little DoT =\

 

[Grem]

At 1mp per tick he's a good DoT for a party situation, and at 51 with a HQ light and Mitts, he's a free avatar, so thats always good Although I guess if you're main healing the 1mp /tick you'd receive from having no pets out is better than a little DoT =\

Speaking as someone without mittans.

 

[Aaleel]

I'm really tolerant of what ppl should and shouldn't have on their first job, mostly due to the fact that when I started playing no one had anything. One Smn on his first job having Fenrir &/or Diablos doesn't make him good, and one without gimp, it just means that the prior was lucky enough to have LS members or other people to leech off during the fights, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Darthyoda]

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I have an Apollo's staff, and carbie mitts..

as a 66 whm/smn carbie is free with just the staff.. (smn is then 33)

but the reason to have him out is out weighed by my lust for the 1mp regen....

I have a moon bauble, and all my elemental staves, and a 34 smn..
Very simply ... I've heard so many people complain about getting flak for not having Fenrir, and being asked at 34 and under if I had Fenrir.. (Wtf?!) that I stopped Smn right then and there until I got him.. It took one single party turning me down as main heal because I didn't have Fenrir, to put summoner on hold.

I will admit though.. a large contributing reason was my burnout from being main heal on whm AND on smn ... so yeah.. I needed a break from both anyway... Every time I try to focus on my main (blm) something else comes up.. LoL

soon as I get Fenrir, smn will become a priority again... one day...

 

[wolfskymoon]

Yes. Because bloodpacts like earthen ward, aerial armour and hastega are REALLY not useful.

you had 80% MP and were still resting when I went to BP, did you help? NO, the THF had to tell you when to use dispel because you were too retarded to tell when a beetle is buffing itself

And you can shut the fuck up, Mr "I don't refresh half the time, 40mp really adds up"

LOL who on hearth uses BP when u are main healer? and when i was 80 percent mp u were almost full.If i'm gonna heal people my self i'd just invite a DD.And yes i do help heals but i can't heal all the time considering i'm elf n all.And the thief was yelling dispel as the mob buffed cuz i told him to.It wasn't because i was late on my dispel more like i wanted to make sure the beetle was dispelled right away.

 

[wolfskymoon]

On top of that u were busting my chops to haste people when i was level 47 LOL.Ignorance ftw

 

[Inunabe]

Seriously......you guys have seemed to haver forgotten about Titan and stoneskin plus garuda with blinkga. Use those when main healing it really helps...But honestly I wouldn't and don't care if you don't have fenrir and diabolos because i prefer to invite smns as DD's instead of healers. ^^; but eh what do i know about......smn....being a bard...who's job is to know how other jobs work....oh...and WSM isn't haste a 40 whm spell? idk and idc i prefer March

 

[Inunabe]

<.< I didn't mean to seem harsh WSM sorry....

 

[Linhjah]

oh...and WSM isn't haste a 40 whm spell? idk and idc i prefer March

Um, RDM get Haste, too... Just at lvl 48...

<3 Inun

 

[Grem]

Seriously......you guys have seemed to haver forgotten about Titan and stoneskin plus garuda with blinkga. Use those when main healing it really helps...But honestly I wouldn't and don't care if you don't have fenrir and diabolos because i prefer to invite smns as DD's instead of healers. ^^; but eh what do i know about......smn....being a bard...who's job is to know how other jobs work....oh...and WSM isn't haste a 40 whm spell? idk and idc i prefer March

I did mention Earthen Ward and Aerial Armour, they are the BPs he is calling me a poor SMN over.


Also, WSM caused the PT to get wiped when we first arived at CN, leaving himself on autorun through a load of soldiers without sneak or invis.

And as a SMN, I do honestly prefer playing DD, and WSM, you telling the THF to shout dispel?

BULLSHIT.

 

[Inunabe]

^^ thanks Lin....i don't know a whole lot about rdm and i for some crazy reason was thinking he was a whm...sorry missed the whole dispel part

 

[Inunabe]

get too 55 and you can pt with me lol i'll invite you as dd

 

[Tagrineth]

Every time I invited a Summoner post 55ish to my parties, I first asked if they had Fenrir...

But I didn't ever refuse someone for not having him.

One thing needs to be clear though a 3 lvl gap is perfectly fine. I dont know why people throw fits about a 3 lvl gap. It boils down to like 10ish exp per kill. So after 100 kills you missed out on roughly 1k. Is it as efficient? no, but it will still work.

Actually this depends on what you're fighting against, and which jobs are lower level. If your highest member is WHM at like 52, with all your melee at 48-49... mobs that are IT to the WHM will be very strenuous for the melee, and mobs that are good for the melee will con low VT or even T to the WHM - but your kill rate will still be like IT+ because that's what the DDs are facing.

Moriki was seeking as SMN 51 (almost 52) and got invited by a DRK 48.

Instead of Fenrir's eva/acc boost, you could use Hastega. Instead of better accuracy, you just hit attack and instead of evading more, you cast Utsusemi more often. Different methods, same results really. Good for parties with BRD instead of RDM where there is no haste. I don't play SMN nor do I party with them often enough, but that seems like a viable option to me.

First off, Hastega is gimped. It's HALF as potent as the Spell. If there is NO other haste available to the party (like if the mages are SMN BLM BLM - in which case you have far bigger problems than lack of Haste), it's better than nothing, but if there is anyone in the party who can cast the spell... don't ever use Hastega. And if there's a bard, just have him sing March and use your BP timer on something more useful, like Earthen Ward or Ecliptic Howl or Growl...

Yes. Because bloodpacts like earthen ward, aerial armour and hastega are REALLY not useful.

Aerial Armor is decent, but inefficient. It costs a heck of a lot of MP for Blink shadows, and most of the party members who will get them will either override them with Utsusemi or not get hit anyway. Hastega is weak.

Earthen Ward is a very effective BP, but if you're main healing a party you should probably save it for in between pulls or when the mob is nearly dead, if possible.

Yes summon can do OK dmg but then again so can a pld/nin and a rdm/war.

I'd say Moriki won that one on the account of: WSM Promoting completely Gimp Subs, Not taking into account that his RDM should have higher powered Cures, That Summoners can only main heal because of /whm, which will never be as good as the real thing, even if summoners do get AoE buffs (once a minuite, I should add.

Theres alot of ways I could argue against summoners main healing, but at the end of the day it means more partys, and it just makes the partys that you can DD in just that bit better

Moriki for teh win of this thread.

WSM was making a point with the gimped sub combos, he wasn't promoting their use. He was responding to the people saying "SMN can do good damage" by pointing out two other ways you can play gimpy instead of effective.

It's pretty much a given that SMN DD is gimpy right now until 70, at least compared to a healing role. I would never ask a SMN to solo healing duties - that'd be party suicide. It should always be shared with a Red Mage at the very least or even provided as backup for a White Mage... in which case the SMN can backup DD... while still performing a healing role.

The SMN DD argument is so much like the RDM Melee argument it isn't even funny.

 

[wolfskymoon]

I did mention Earthen Ward and Aerial Armour, they are the BPs he is calling me a poor SMN over.


Also, WSM caused the PT to get wiped when we first arived at CN, leaving himself on autorun through a load of soldiers without sneak or invis.

And as a SMN, I do honestly prefer playing DD, and WSM, you telling the THF to shout dispel?

BULLSHIT.

You dying is not a wipe.If you are buffing when your tank is at 100 hp in mid fights,more power to you.I'm not calling you a bad smn i'm just saying you are an ass for being a bad main healer and blaming it on the rdm in party which happened to be me.On top of that you were being pretty rude and annoying.I mean i've died numerous time in my FFXi career and i rarely so harshly blamed it on the sub healer!/And yes i always tell people to type dispel right away so incase i miss it i can just see it in party chat and cast dispel (less stress).I'd rather kill mobs faster and get exp instead of getting the "i do it all my self" noble prize.You can DD to 75 more power to you again i say but plz do put it in your comment. 'DD onry"