My take on the update.

[CubsWoo]

Some good, some bad, and some big FUCK YOU SE's.

Line by line we go!

Gobbiebag VI? Neato. I'm getting that done ASAP.

Supply quest to Tavzania? Also cool, since I hate being so far from an AH without having CoP3 done.

Prom-Vahzl shortcut? Not on this mission but I suppose it cuts down on travel time.

Adding fishing zone code into mining and logging? It's fair, but it's also going to be a hassle for some of the mines.

If the Windy mage was from the Rhinostery, I would have gone "OMG FENRIR MINIFORK QUEST" but I don't think that's what it is, so I really don't care.

New Promathia quests are always nice.

That fucking escort quest. NOONE DO IT. The bastard has True Sight + HNM length vision, and if you don't have at least 2 clearers helping you out, you run out of time. For 1500 gil. Horrible quest.

I like that Tavzania quest idea, but finding a 45+ party to do it seems hard.

Good idea making Old Sabertooth a forced spawn and giving no incentive to kill him.

No Egret rod drops = no more Krakens fished up for me, hooray.

Never did "Tuning Out," maybe I will if the reward is better.

Oztroja coffers = Astral Ring, right? Wonder if it'll be quested, found in a different coffer, chocobo dug... who knows.

Brass Statue - is that the password statue? Dunno, I don't worry about it until Genkai 3.

Sigh. No more safe Kraken ramp/cliff fishing in those zones. On the plus side, no more botters.

Never used the bards, probably never will.

***BALLISTA SHIT I AND MOST PRE-70 PEOPLE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT GOES HERE***

New orb battles? Maybe this is the key to getting the items? Season's Greetings, hehe. Cool names for the BC's.

Looks like party wipes = quicker removal from the BC. Not bad.

New NMs in Promathia probably means L70+ guys that I can't handle. Oh well.

Oh good, they made Promyvion easier. Now you have no excuse.

I remember my HP/MP not going back to normal after I got rid of Curse in Promyvion. Glad they fixed it.

"Assassin," eh? Better than Gilfinder II, I suppose, and I'm guessing they get it at around 50, just so THF > X/THF post-60.

Bravo to new Etude effects.

Spirit Link removes status effects now? Nice. Makes that ability better.

Oh, and DRGs can MB now too? Now that's an improvement.

SMN MAGIC BURST ACCURACY VERY NICE SUPER HAPPY GO FUN.

So when I fight a Tiny Mandragora, I won't hit for 1k+ anymore? Oh nos, not a big deal.

So now you can dig up more than rusty bolt cases? Joy?

I thought Hide was a THF ability... either way, big deal.

I'm guessing the Stun thing was a HNM tactic? I dunno, never seen that in action.

AH FEE RANT:

Ok, SE, you're trying to take gil out of the system. So now it'll take over 8,000 gil to list an Emperor Hairpin at these prices. My guess is /shouts will go up 300% for people both wanting to buy and sell high-value items through bazaar and/or trade. That, or prices will just rise to make up for the bigger fees. We'll see. Of course, it could make prices FALL... but I dunno.

FOOD EFFECT RANT:

Ok, so you give us stackable Rolanberry pies. Yay. But now chocolates only last THREE MINUTES?! I don't care if they're stackable to 99, 12 Hobgoblin Chocolates would last me 720 minutes. 99 with the new rules last me 495. I lost nearly FOUR HOURS of food effects due to these new rules.

Not a Samurai, don't care.

OOH NEW GRAPHICS AND ICONS HOORAY.

So you don't have to wait an hour for your Terroranima. Not like you farmed one/used it anyway.

All right! Yellow Liquid works better in 2-5? Heard that was a bitch of a mission.

**Bunch of Promathia Quest stuff I can't do yet***

Always wondered why a water tank would go on your waist. It's got GALLONS OF WATER, it's not going to fit in a goddamn fanny pack.

FISHING RANT:

If 'adjusted' means the same 'adjustment' that came with Rusty caps - you've gone and fucked with the fishers again. I don't give a shit about your anit-bot crusade, those three fish have nearly NO PURPOSE EXCEPT TO BE SOLD TO NPCs. They are NOT used in popular recipes, they are NOT good for much of anything else, and they are a HUGE part of a fisher's income from the 60's on up. You are TRYING to make fishing useless while at the same time requiring us to spend 5-10 times what it takes any other craft to reach 100. If prices fall, catch rates MUST improve.

Random filter stuff, not much here except that parties can now see pet damage.

All in all, I'm upset. Mostly because of the AH and Fishing changes, but we'll see how it all works out in about an hour or so.

 

[Duran]

wow your really determined to bash the update in anyway possible :shock:

 

[Devi]

I dont' think I"ve met a more negative person.....you don't like anything....you just hate it all, it's not your job so you don't care. But they can affect you in a PT situation....whatever it's the flame board soooo...

Devi wrote:
Whatever I still think Cubswoo is a bitch....

 

[Direwolf]

Yea the choclate pisses me off, alot of the CoP shit is undoable so w/e maybe now ppl will do Promyvion.

Don't knock Ballista it is so much fun, especialy when you get flare cast on you and have blink up... Man that taru musta been pissed...

Alot of the stuff did not realate to me but I assume it is important in some way or another.

 

[anesly]

Some good, some bad, and some big FUCK YOU SE's.

Line by line we go!

...

Sigh. No more safe Kraken ramp/cliff fishing in those zones. On the plus side, no more botters.

Well, they added monsters to the newbie areas (Saru/Gustaberg/Ronfaure), and people still bot off the Saru/Gustaberg cliffs. You just see a bunch of dead people from the mobs.

AH FEE RANT:

Ok, SE, you're trying to take gil out of the system. So now it'll take over 8,000 gil to list an Emperor Hairpin at these prices. My guess is /shouts will go up 300% for people both wanting to buy and sell high-value items through bazaar and/or trade. That, or prices will just rise to make up for the bigger fees. We'll see. Of course, it could make prices FALL... but I dunno.

Well, Captain Glass-Half-Empty here, but I doubt prices will fall--when it only takes like 15 bucks for a couple hundred gil, a few k for listing an item is peanuts. I'm willing to wait and see, though.

FISHING RANT:

If 'adjusted' means the same 'adjustment' that came with Rusty caps - you've gone and fucked with the fishers again. I don't give a shit about your anit-bot crusade, those three fish have nearly NO PURPOSE EXCEPT TO BE SOLD TO NPCs. They are NOT used in popular recipes, they are NOT good for much of anything else, and they are a HUGE part of a fisher's income from the 60's on up. You are TRYING to make fishing useless while at the same time requiring us to spend 5-10 times what it takes any other craft to reach 100. If prices fall, catch rates MUST improve.

Totally agree with this. These 'adjustments' don't really hurt the botters--if you bot, you have unlimited fishing time--you can park your char and fish for 30 hours straight to make a profit. Every time [legit] fishermen find a way to make money, SE goes and nerfs it. When they nerfed rusty caps, the bots just moved back to the cliffs. When they added monster catches to the areas adjacent to town, bots just sit there and take the hits or move back to town. :roll:

 

[Direwolf]

3 more hours for maintnence... fuck...them...

 

[Davio]

/rate up Cubswoo :shock:

 

[CubsWoo]

Well, they added monsters to the newbie areas (Saru/Gustaberg/Ronfaure), and people still bot off the Saru/Gustaberg cliffs. You just see a bunch of dead people from the mobs.

Agreed. Not to mention that most 'newer' bots have the ability to fight, med, and go back to fishing. I personally have Carbuncle up, so he takes care of anything I fish up. I COULD bot with no problems. But it's not worthwhile or fun. So I don't.

Well, Captain Glass-Half-Empty here, but I doubt prices will fall--when it only takes like 15 bucks for a couple hundred gil, a few k for listing an item is peanuts. I'm willing to wait and see, though.

I think this new crackdown on 'Real Money Transfers' or whatever are going to have people shy away from gil buying, at least for a little while. I'm giving the high-value NM drops (Boots, Hairpin, etc) a week and seeing the price curve. If they drop 20% or more, this is a success. If not, there's going to be a lot of angry customers.

Totally agree with this. These 'adjustments' don't really hurt the botters--if you bot, you have unlimited fishing time--you can park your char and fish for 30 hours straight to make a profit. Every time [legit] fishermen find a way to make money, SE goes and nerfs it. When they nerfed rusty caps, the bots just moved back to the cliffs. When they added monster catches to the areas adjacent to town, bots just sit there and take the hits or move back to town. :roll:

Town fishing has been astoundingly unprofitable for months now. If you want any kind of decent bite rate, you move to an outside area. I'm honestly suprised they didn't put mobs in all spots on the ferry, too - it's really the last safe outside place to fish anymore ('safe' being relative to pirates/Sea Horror/rod breakage.)

The drops of price on Sharks/Bream/Sole (if indeed they ARE drops, which we can almost guarantee due to the 'adjustment' of Rusty Caps) turn high-level fishing into a joke. Bream and Sole are the main fish for skilling up from 60/70-96 and are the two biggest money fish in Sea Serpent Grotto. Sole are a main income fish in Qufim and Port Jeuno and Bream are good off the Saruta and Gustaberg cliffs. Silver Sharks are a nice money/skill fish on the ferry (why the HELL would they nerf the ferry?) I suppose since too many people consider it a 'no cost, no effort' craft this is justified, but for those who have seen fishing income drop by 60-70% or more - even as the skill has gone UP - it's just another knife in the back. And it really doesn't hurt 'automated fishermen' one bit.

 

[Zubaki]

Yes, very negative

Yes, a very negative fellow. And yes, I am sam and I do give a damn about riceball enhancements! But for crying out loud SE, give samurai a freakin lvl 37+ non-subable job ability.

 

[CubsWoo]

Re: Yes, very negative

Yes, a very negative fellow.

HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE FLAMEBOARD. Were I happy about the update, would I not have put this post in "Good Times" or GD? Yes. But I'm upset, so it's a FB post. Most 'negative' posts go here. I'd apologize for using this section of the board as it is meant to be used - but I won't.

As for the SAM JA's, haven't Meditate and Store TP been nerfed pretty heavily for sub SAM? I don't know too many jobs that choose /SAM over /WAR or /THF simply because both of those jobs give better benefits than 60% TP every 3 minutes and an even poorer chance at extra TP/hit. If I were to play MNK 60+, I sure as hell would prefer Double Attack/Berserk or SATA over that.

 

[Svina]

Response to OP, least the things I felt on some.

Gobbiebag VI? Neato. I'm getting that done ASAP.

Yay

Adding fishing zone code into mining and logging? It's fair, but it's also going to be a hassle for some of the mines.

I don't feel mining was bottable anyway... this however may make the price of some ores go up.

If the Windy mage was from the Rhinostery, I would have gone "OMG FENRIR MINIFORK QUEST" but I don't think that's what it is, so I really don't care.

Won't know till you talk to him, but Fenrir minifork? No lol.

Never did "Tuning Out," maybe I will if the reward is better.

2nd part of Tuning In... I already did this quest for a lousy 6k gil... I hope i can still claim my new prize... whatever it is =\

New orb battles? Maybe this is the key to getting the items? Season's Greetings, hehe. Cool names for the BC's.

Weeeeeee more stuff! >_< they loadin them all on at once eh?

Looks like party wipes = quicker removal from the BC. Not bad.

Would've saved myself so much hassle in the Fenrir and Promyvion BCs... oy.

New NMs in Promathia probably means L70+ guys that I can't handle. Oh well.

Not all NMs are lvl 70+. Leaping Lizzy anyone?

Oh good, they made Promyvion easier. Now you have no excuse.

They didn't say the BCNM was easier. It was easy enough to get there anyway.

"Assassin," eh? Better than Gilfinder II, I suppose, and I'm guessing they get it at around 50, just so THF > X/THF post-60.

THFs just got a whole lot more deadlier I believe.

Oh, and DRGs can MB now too? Now that's an improvement.

I don't see the practical use of this.

SMN MAGIC BURST ACCURACY VERY NICE SUPER HAPPY GO FUN.

Rock on. I suspect I'll be doing even better damage after a burst from now on

So when I fight a Tiny Mandragora, I won't hit for 1k+ anymore? Oh nos, not a big deal.

Could affect how easily I solo'ed some lower level monsters... I used to be able to do 3000 dmg flaming crush to a lich when doing g1 for someone... wonder what this means then. Hope I can still solo for my coffer keys =\

I'm guessing the Stun thing was a HNM tactic? I dunno, never seen that in action.

THF/NIN with stun daggers could easily solo some HNMs with those.

Ok, SE, you're trying to take gil out of the system. So now it'll take over 8,000 gil to list an Emperor Hairpin at these prices. My guess is /shouts will go up 300% for people both wanting to buy and sell high-value items through bazaar and/or trade. That, or prices will just rise to make up for the bigger fees. We'll see. Of course, it could make prices FALL... but I dunno.

Sure better than the 10% everyone whined about being the rumor. Pff... 1mil to list a 10mil item ew...

Random filter stuff, not much here except that parties can now see pet damage.

This'll also let you filter more out from neighboring pt's while keeping your own pt's chatlog stuff in.

 

[CubsWoo]

Sole: 1050 to guild. Was 1500-2100.

Bream: 900 to guild. Was 1350-1800.

Shark unknown as of yet, but will likely be near 6-700, down from 1125-1500.

These are the high guild prices, it's likely these will go down as people sell the fish and the guild buy price hits their low threshold.

High level fishers have just seen their income cut by 1/3 or more. I think the only truly profitable thing now is to make Black Ink out of Nebs, Grimms and Squid and NPC it (until the next update where they 'adjust' the buying price of Black Ink.

Dear SE,

t(-_-t). I'm getting Fishing to 100 anyway. Then I'll probably just put my Lu Shang up for 1 gil in Jeuno for shits and giggles. Assholes.

Love,

Cubs.

 

[TiyaKelth]

"Assassin," eh? Better than Gilfinder II, I suppose, and I'm guessing they get it at around 50, just so THF > X/THF post-60.

It's post 59, not sure what exact level is. (My 59 thf doesn't have it)

 

[decidence]

Wow... thanks SE... you cut my profit by 1/3... I spent A HUGE chunk of my gaming time getting Fishing to Lv100 since this game came out and now they decide to screw the very reasons for doing this...

Fishing Mobs up LOLOL a good bot with a semi-skilled coder using it can kill enemies no problem... SE is just trying to make all the newbie complainers that report botters think that their doing something when in fact their not hurting botters much at all... but then they decided to lower prices of fish as well and HURT EVERYONE!

This patch sucks, I thought they were trying to keep people not make more people leave.

So now instead of fishing an average of 20-30k per hour safely I will be fishing 14-20k per hour AND have to kill mobs as well which will slow me down and prolly drop that to more like 10-15k per hour AT LEVEL 100!!!!

I can fucking fish 16-18k per hour on Moat Carps at LV50 for christs sakes! This is absolute bullshit.

 

[Dowzer]

UGGHHHHH


They've disconnected me from their server THRICE times now. /fume

TWICE I was disconnected HALFWAY through the update...

Now I can't even logon /angry


And yes my ISP is dedicated and RARELY has problems. I am posting this while Playonline is telling me: Version Update Communication Error.

More like: Head up their Ass Version Update Communication Error

This is the last time i hit the dreaded "Retry" button.

/em pulls out his hair

FUCK YOU SE

 

[Direwolf]

Svinia... Trust me it is bottable.... I am a miner I fight the chinese on a daily basis... I hate them in so many ways...

 

[decidence]

MY TAKE ON THE UPDATE:

A sixth Gobbiebag quest has been added. Please note that the previous Gobbiebag quest must be completed before the new one will trigger.

Thats cool, another 5 slots in your inventory.

Supply quests and regional teleportation to the Tavnazian Archipelago are now available.

Why wasn't this added when CoP was added? Ive been waiting for this for a long time now.

Shortcuts into Promyvion – Vahzl for those who have partially or fully completed the Promathia mission have been added.

Haven't done this yet but Im sure its another small convienence to try and make up for everything else they messed up this patch.

The longer a player remains in the same area, the more difficult it will become to obtain certain items through logging and mining.

SE needs to start figuring out ways to screw over botters without screwing over the normal addicted player that just wants to make good money, this is absolute bullshit, I dont mine or log but I think this was not the best way to fix this problem.

A mage from Windurst's Orastery has been dispatched to Jeuno.

I guess we will see what this means soon.

Several new quests and events have been added to the Promathia areas.

More timesink, more money to spend, less return... the usual.

The Bastok quest "All By Myself" can now be played regardless of whether or not one has the Chains of Promathia expansion pack installed.

Another small "fix" that very few people will care about.

The level restriction for the Tavnazia quest "The Big One" has been raised from 40 to 45.

Another small convienence... I feel some repetition.

The Old Sabertooth that plays a part in the quest "The Fanged One" will now only appear after a player has targeted the set of tiger bones in the Sauromugue Champaign. In addition, the Old Sabertooth will no longer drop any items.

Never knew this was such a huge problem to start with.

Only players who have accepted the quest "Hook, Line, and Sinker" will be able to fish the monster in Qufim that drops the Egret fishing rod.

What does it matter... no one will fish in Qufim anymore after SE fucked over the sell back on Black Soles.

A new reward for completing the quest "Tuning Out" has been added.

Another small thing added that will only positively effect a small minority.

The contents of the treasure coffers in Castle Oztroja have been changed. Accordingly, certain items will now be obtainable through different methods.

THIS IS THE THING THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT? The big method for obtaining items is different ways? One Friggen ITEM!

Weather coverage has now expanded to Chains of Promathia areas.

Great...

Players can now only target the Brass Statue in Castle Oztroja for a limited amount of time.

Whatever...

Monsters can now be caught while fishing in all areas of Qufim and the Buburimu Peninsula.

Great, so now all the dumb newbie scripters are screwed meanwhile this fixes pretty much nothing but wasting time for everyone and lowering gil per hour of not only botters but the legit fishers as well. When will SE realize that adding monsters to area's does not fix the problem.

Several events previously unavailable for replay through town bards, etc. have been added to the replay list.

Who uses these? Who gets so bored that... nevermind.

Ballista Etc...

If more people play ballista consistently thats cool but I just see it as another gil sink that SE try's so hard to drop into the game and show no way of making more gil.

BCNM and Promyvion etc...

Ok so BCNM's thats great, now where is the PT's so I can do these? How bout a solo BCNM someday? Made promyvions easier... don't agree with this but whatever it makes the players that are having problems with them happy.

A new thief job trait that increases the dexterity bonus of the ability "Trick Attack" has been added.
This trait is called "Assassin."

That's cool maybe we will get exp slightly faster with Thiefs doing a little more damage?

The effects of select high- and low-level etudes have been adjusted. High-level etudes will now raise a player's attributes considerably more than before. However, the enhancement will gradually wear off with time.

Cool Bards are even more useful... now can we start having some people go Bard so PTs can have one more often? Note: Oni~ I think your static should be even more urging to have you go Bard over RDM ^^

The dragoon job ability "Spirit Link" will now not only heal a pet wyvern's wounds, but also cure it of detrimental status effects such as poison.

Doesnt fix DRG's problems.

A pet wyvern's breath attacks can now be used to produce magic bursts. However, only an accuracy bonus will be rewarded if the MB is successful.

Are they trying to say it won't be easy to MB everytime? Why can't they just give a gift once in awhile and not require players to do so much.

An accuracy bonus is now rewarded when using "Blood Pact" attacks during magic bursts.

Cool SMN's are more useful.

The strength of physical "Blood Pact" attacks will not increase as much when fighting enemies considerably weaker than the summoner. The damage ratio when fighting stronger enemies has not been adjusted.

Did it need to be nerfed?

The variety of items that can be dug up using the "Scavenge" ability has been increased.

Go Scavenge Bots.

The Goblin Archaeologists that are found in the Konschtat Highlands, Tahrongi Canyon, and on the La Theine Plateau can now see through the ninja ability "Hide."

This needed to be nerfed? Goblins are SIGHT, HIDE is SUPPOSED to work on them!

The additional Stun effect of certain weapons will no longer activate in succession. However, it is still possible to repeatedly inflict the effect on a monster through magic spells and weapon skills.

Ok so I totally disagree with this because its just a way to make Ninja's less effective at soloing NMs at high levels with those Stun effect weapons...SE is king -_-

The new taxes etc...

Ok so now its gonna cost me like 200k to put up Peacock Charm for 3 days.. lol I think I will be spamming in Jeuno looking for a Buyer like I suppose many people will..

Food Adjustments etc...

I think they balanced these pretty well actually.

Chat Filters etc...

Overall is a good change.


Comments?

 

[Svina]

Apparently some crafts recipes have been changed. Mithkabobs now only make 6 on the NQ, 12 on HQ1, 6 chiefs HQ2, 12 chiefs HQ3... unless that was a lie.

I have a feeling this goes for a few other NQ->HQ recipes

 

[decidence]

I wouldn't doubt it.. SE rocks remember.

 

[anesly]

I'm honestly suprised they didn't put mobs in all spots on the ferry, too - it's really the last safe outside place to fish anymore ('safe' being relative to pirates/Sea Horror/rod breakage.)

Yeah I've been expecting them to change this for a while. I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.

This may be getting to be too aggravating for me.