Neovivi and Jereme [M]

[deathsvengeance]

poor Vang, everyone thinks he's a real asshole when he's not lol

Anyway, yeah, gee Lavi, I don't know why the gilsellers camp Centurio X-I, it must be for the rare/ex cloak :lol: you know, not for the scrolls or anything :roll:

 

[Quach]

Anyway, yeah, gee Lavi, I don't know why the gilsellers camp Centurio X-I, it must be for the rare/ex cloak you know, not for the scrolls or anything

Yeah >_>; I swear.... Rosehot and her crew were just in there the other day for the robe.... no scrolls........ promise :?

I love how the everyone calls BS on me when I say they were not silenced where the proof is in their damn picture. Neovivi casts Holy and kills Centurio. He obviously was not silenced.

Did you even consider the fact that in the rush of trying to save his reputation from an assmunch like you, he could have unintentionally cropped the few lines before in the picture that said silence wore off? Mind you, you have no solid proof that your CC's weren't silenced either.

Holy is a magic spell but the retarded masses cannot even pickup on a simple fact

Two words: No Fuck. -_-

No, instead its you didn't have echo drops.

No shit people would flame you for not having Echo drops. What kind of right minded freaking mage, especially one as 1337 as you, not have them on you? You say that you didn't need them, but obviously you did, because you fucking died. It's your own damn fault, you judged wrong and lost the claim.

Oh thats right, I was their echo drops when they needed help.

That right there... is the stupidest mother fucking prostate sucking piece of garbage that I have ever heard. "Oh I was their echo drops when they needed help." How fucking corny is that? Don't try to pull the sympathy card into this.... YOU'RE FUCKING CAMPING A NM.

If someone is willing to help you, you should be willing to help them.

Just because these are YOUR morals, doesn't mean they are everyone elses. Though, I must admit it's quite admirable. If you're true to your words, then you must be few of the decent people that play this game.

 

[Quach]

Anyway, yeah, gee Lavi, I don't know why the gilsellers camp Centurio X-I, it must be for the rare/ex cloak you know, not for the scrolls or anything

Yeah >_>; I swear.... Rosehot and her crew were just in there the other day for the robe.... no scrolls........ promise :?

I love how the everyone calls BS on me when I say they were not silenced where the proof is in their damn picture. Neovivi casts Holy and kills Centurio. He obviously was not silenced.

Did you even consider the fact that in the rush of trying to save his reputation from an assmunch like you, he could have unintentionally cropped the few lines before in the picture that said silence wore off? Mind you, you have no solid proof that your CC's weren't silenced either.

Holy is a magic spell but the retarded masses cannot even pickup on a simple fact

Two words: No Fuck. -_-

No, instead its you didn't have echo drops.

No shit people would flame you for not having Echo drops. What kind of right minded freaking mage, especially one as 1337 as you, not have them on you? You say that you didn't need them, but obviously you did, because you fucking died. It's your own damn fault, you judged wrong and lost the claim.

Oh thats right, I was their echo drops when they needed help.

That right there... is the stupidest mother fucking prostate sucking piece of garbage that I have ever heard. "Oh I was their echo drops when they needed help." How fucking corny is that? Don't try to pull the sympathy card into this.... YOU'RE FUCKING CAMPING A NM.

If someone is willing to help you, you should be willing to help them.

Just because these are YOUR morals, doesn't mean they are everyone elses. Though, I must admit it's quite admirable. If you're true to your words, then you must be few of the decent people that play this game

 

[Lavi]

Anyway, yeah, gee Lavi, I don't know why the gilsellers camp Centurio X-I, it must be for the rare/ex cloak you know, not for the scrolls or anything

Yeah >_>; I swear.... Rosehot and her crew were just in there the other day for the robe.... no scrolls........ promise :?

I love how the everyone calls BS on me when I say they were not silenced where the proof is in their damn picture. Neovivi casts Holy and kills Centurio. He obviously was not silenced.

Did you even consider the fact that in the rush of trying to save his reputation from an assmunch like you, he could have unintentionally cropped the few lines before in the picture that said silence wore off? Mind you, you have no solid proof that your CC's weren't silenced either.

Holy is a magic spell but the retarded masses cannot even pickup on a simple fact

Two words: No Fuck. -_-

No, instead its you didn't have echo drops.

No shit people would flame you for not having Echo drops. What kind of right minded freaking mage, especially one as 1337 as you, not have them on you? You say that you didn't need them, but obviously you did, because you fucking died. It's your own damn fault, you judged wrong and lost the claim.

Oh thats right, I was their echo drops when they needed help.

That right there... is the stupidest mother fucking prostate sucking piece of garbage that I have ever heard. "Oh I was their echo drops when they needed help." How fucking corny is that? Don't try to pull the sympathy card into this.... YOU'RE FUCKING CAMPING A NM.

If someone is willing to help you, you should be willing to help them.

Just because these are YOUR morals, doesn't mean they are everyone elses. Though, I must admit it's quite admirable. If you're true to your words, then you must be few of the decent people that play this game

Where is Rosehot now? Not camping this NM I can tell you that. How do you know they didn't camp it for the cloak either? Have you checked the gear of gil sellers lately? Better than most average players. No gil sellers or NM camps this NM for gil. The money vs. time aspect is not worth it. It drops only 2 scrolls of any value and not often at all. The only reason people camp it is for the cloak.

Ok let me explain this once more and maybe in slightly more detail. I have no problem with the way people camp NM. I understand fully people will have no problem letting me die if I can not handle a NM. I understand they are in no way obligated to help me. Some people seem to glance over the entire original post like I didn't say that. I understand I could have used echo drops and I would have lived but I did not have them. There were other people in Quicksand Caves who had passed through the area and killed a mob or two and moved on. I didn't want the NM to pop while I was gone and have someone else take it so I decided to not get echo drops since I have done without it in the past.

Now I have no problem dieing. I have no problem losing experience. I have no problem losing a NM although it will be quite annoying. However, what I do have a problem with is the shear fact someone indebted to me refused to help me out. Yes I use the word indebted because I saved them when they needed saving. That does not mean they need to follow me everywhere I go until I need help or remember me weeks from now and return the debt. No. What it means is in the near future if I should ever need help and it is within their power, they will kindly return the favor. The thing about a debt is you don't chose when to repay. You don't decide maybe next time I will help but not this time. You do it the next time you can help. Now I needed help LONG before anyone ever got silenced. They could have easily taken a link and helped us out but they didn't want to. They could have easily used silena. They refused.

Then the same two make as many excuses claiming that they were silenced. They offered the drops to make ammends. But never once during the entire time I was fighting did they even make a motion to help me. Can you trust someone who makes claims and backs it up with no action? I cannot. If they had every intention of giving us the drops then why in the world would they not help us in the first place so there would be no discussion later on? I will tell you, they wanted the drops and when there was nothing of real value, they made the offer to us. As soon as I died and Centurio went unclaim, Neovivi was casting Holy. There was no delay, he was waiting for it to come unclaimed. If that doesn't show you their true intentions then you are blind.

Every idiot comes in here yelling at me about Echo drops and I know I forgot them. Don't you think I know that? I can't blaim them for me forgetting nor can they blaim me for their forgetfulness. But when they forget theirs and it cost them, I was their to help them out. This is not about sympathy. There is not sympathy to be had here. Everyone forgets something once and awhile and its inconvenient to go back to get the items. When they die, its their own fault. You cannot blaim your death on the WHM because they didn't want to die casting invis, just as I cannot blame them here. I never once said I blame them losing claim and dieing. What I do blaim them for is refusing to help me. They owed me and did nothing to return that debt. When someone helps in real life, you offer to help them in return for their kindness. Its has nothing to do with morals and just the way things are. When you help someone with a flat tire on the side of the road, they always ask if their something they can do to in return. People do this all around the world, its not something new. Its the way things are and the way they should be here.

Lately I have been very annoyed to say the least with the way people act. People MPK over NMs, quibble over "nerfs" blaming anyone but themselves, show elitist attitudes, walk over others and no one assist another unless there is something in it for themselves. This is not the attitude the server should be showing, this is not the attitude anyone should be showing. The forums were put together to allow people to come together as a community, to interact with each other and benefit each other. And yet nothing has improved. Today the same people MPK and more frequently. People fight over the same NMs. People steal from people, heck even entire linkshells, and yet someone always reinvites them to another. Nothing has improved, if anything it has worsened. And to me this is just another instance of why this community as whole will never do anything to improve itself. Heck even half the idiots who responded to the post commented "Never help anyone." Is this really the way a community responds? Is this the way the community should respond?

 

[BlackMage]

This is kinda a small flame going big if its only about them NOT casting silena on you.

Maybe you shouldn't expect everyone to help you back when you help them.

If I helped someone, I don't expect them to help me back.

Maybe you shouldn't expect everyone to help you back when you help them and move on.

 

[vang]

Just shut up Lavi, you lost and they don't deserved to be flamed for not helping you back during the NM fight.

Who knows? Maybe they will throw a cure 1 at you sometime to return their "debt" as you put it. What gives you the right to pick and choose when they should return the favor anyways? Maybe down the road they will help you out :lol:

 

[Prothall]

The forums were put together to allow people to come together as a community, to interact with each other and benefit each other.

yes, i am absolutely sure thats why the flameboard is here. to help us get along.

I can't even believe your flame over expecting a favor in return has reached page ten. Then again, half of it is flaming you too, and i dare say you deserve it.

 

[Stouter]

Bottom line: people suck, they're all in it for themselves, so don't help strangers with anything.

 

[Pompidou]

If you let someone have a meat mithkabob when they forget theirs (saving someone from a common place holder), they don't owe you Vermillion Jelly (you vs the nm) later down the road. If that were the case, I'd be tossing cures left and right so that I'd never worry about an nm battle. The difference between Lavi's silena and Jeremy's lack of silena is the gravity of the mob involved. Toss me a cure when I'm off levelling a new job in Tahrongi and I'll give you my thanks. I'll cure you sometime later. That doesn't mean I'll help you compete against me for something I've been camping 2 hours or more. When I was camping my Moldavite, I (and my friends) circled around every successful claimer that wasnt' us. We weren't tossing cures. We were hoping s/he'd die. We wanted the moldavite. Heck, we'd toss the person a raise after we vultured the mob off their corpse if necessary, but the drop was more important than that person's exp.

 

[Panda]

/em throws tomatos at Lavi while shes on her soapbox just for good measure.

:wink:

 

[Waylander]

Ok, most people who've ever talked to Jereme probably already know, but I'll say it anyway,

Jereme is a cool guy.

My Bud ixiaivaifrit was camping the Moldavite Earring for roughly 3 weeks (35 claims no drops, unbelievable) and along came Jereme counter camping.

So ixi was chatting to Jereme who suggested teaming up as I understand it. Earring drops, what does Jereme do? Passes, that's what.

This guy is a gentleman. Leave your inane slander behind you next time you log on.

 

[Wataza]

Asuyu....you were just with me last night doing ENM's and you seemed like a cool guy, but now I say differently. Neovivi took me to get my cloak when Norkio and I went to camp Centurio X-I. When Centurio popped we were the only ones there so easy claim. Neo was backed up in a corner and 2 Ants linked unto him(Norkio had left about an hour previous to his pop.). Anyone would know that he would not have survived. I, being a Summoner, burned my 2 hour and Aerial Blasted all the ants including Centurio which in turn pulled major hate until my avatar died of course and the ants just linked again and eventualy Neo died and HP'ed leaving me with the NM. So I run, summon Carby (thank god for Carby Mitts + Light staff) and began to solo the NM. I had minimum MP and was in the red in HP was was still soloing the NM. It was about...roughly 20% health and it casted Bio II on me and killed me. While that was all happening Neo got a high lvl THF and came BACK to the caves along with Torqued a RDM and Tractored/Raised me then owned the NM right after weakness wore off and I got my Cloak and even good stuff dropped which I passed on everything so I could pay everyone back for their help. Neo is a damn good person and you both ought to be shot and strung up by your toes over something as retarded as this.

Ok, the silence/cure/death thing you keep ranting about. Ok, Antican silences, everyone becomes silenced. You die and the very milisecond before you die Silence wears and he hits his macro and you die. Listen closely moron this may confuse your tiny mind. The very instant you died Neo hits the macro. Now, for it to even START casting you hafta be alive, which while the death animation is occurring you're already technicaly dead so you can't cast a cure on a dead body which is when Neo tried to cast and also it does not show up on anyone's log as "So-and-so is casting Cure V on blah blah." because again, you can't cast Cure on dead bodies. So they Holy'ed the NM, killed it, and as you seen from the screenshot no Cloak. Why do you continue to fight it? It's everyone against two people, you are fighting a lost cause. You have heard how many testimonies of how nice and generous Neo and Jereme are and you sit there and say they are rude and cruel and all that junk. Listen buddy, as far as I know Neo is always going out of his way to help people, even if he dies or it cots him gil or whatever, as you seen from my very own testimony. even after he died and I got my Cloak he did not once complain about him dieing. NOT ONCE! He doesn't complain about stuff like that. In short, I think you ought to get a life and stop flameing people that don't need flamed.

 

[Excim]

and also it does not show up on anyone's log as "So-and-so is casting Cure V on blah blah." because again, you can't cast Cure on dead bodies.

Actually, I think it shows up in your own chat log as being "You cannot attack that target" or something like that. Like when you try to cure a random NPC. I could be wrong though....

 

[Wataza]

and also it does not show up on anyone's log as "So-and-so is casting Cure V on blah blah." because again, you can't cast Cure on dead bodies.

Actually, I think it shows up in your own chat log as being "You cannot attack that target" or something like that. Like when you try to cure a random NPC. I could be wrong though....

No you are absolutly right. It would appear on Neo's log as "You cannot cast that spell on that target." or something to that effect. what I was getting at though is that Lavi is saying it never showed up in his log that Neo tried to Cure him. Well it is extremely possible that it would not have showed up do to what I have stated already.

 

[Duffman]

Lavi,

Hello, Duffman let me borrow his forum account for a second. Allow
me to introduce myself formally. I am Centurio; the Antican NM you so
rudely attacked. You walk around in my home and kill all my friends.
You attacked me when I woke up from my nap.

WTF!?!

You have the nerve to bitch about this and that but you failed to
comment about you guys coming into my home to whack me and my friends
over a stupid cloak? Oh yeah Jereme (just kidding man), you got some
balls comming in there to help Lavi finish me off. Lavi, is this your
hired goon squad. Honor among thieves huh? I guess I need a bigger
body guard force in here.

Well, it's a good thing I stashed that fucking cloak away. I buried
it in the dessert to keep it from the likes of you. No, it's not a big
old X on your map either. Stay out of my house you crazy bitch.
I'm trying to watch "A bug's life" in piece.

Ungratefully yours,
Centurio

(PS - I pause it on the ladybug scenes woowie!! then I found out
it's a DUDE!!!!)

 

[Asuyu]

Look, I dont know either, but the fact remains it very considental you it wore at that very moment. And I don't really care anymore it was days ago and I prolly will never be friends with those two after this. Whatever no big loss.

But its begining to annoy me that you are still posting on this thread. Lavi, please STFU and stop posting you are only prolonging this pain in my ass. Same goes for everyone else, Jereme, Neovivi, and the rest of Quetz, STFU and let this post DIE!

 

[Excim]

Well, it's a good thing I stashed that fucking cloak away. I buried
it in the dessert to keep it from the likes of you. No, it's not a big
old X on your map either. Stay out of my house you crazy bitch.
I'm trying to watch "A bug's life" in piece.

Ungratefully yours,
Centurio

(PS - I pause it on the ladybug scenes woowie!! then I found out
it's a DUDE!!!!)

Brilliant! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Lavi]

I am pleased you think they are great people for helping you, but I fail to see how that matters. I can come here have a million people post on my behalf too, but that doesn't make me a saint. I've said this before, even a killer can have someone attest to their good deeds; however, that doesn't atone for murder now does it? Its a simple premise which you cannot grasp for some reason. I saved them, but they did not return the debt. They could have taken a link and didn't. They could have removed my silence or cured me, but they didn't. You want to argue they were silenced and couldn't help, fine, but that doesn't change the fact they could have taken a link before they were silenced.

They came here with every intent on saving face knowing full well I was angry they did not help me. They respond offering the drops to me and again I ask you two things. If they had every intention of letting me have the drops, why didn't they save themselves the trouble and help me in the first place? How could I believe someone who watched me die, to give me the drops? Another question also arises, that being why would they offer me the drops in the first place? I mean the drops have some value to them (not much but better than nothing), then why would they offer them to me? Could it be because what they knew happened wasn't right? To me a debt is a debt. If I give help I expect to recieve help back if I need it. I don't expect someone to go out of their way to help me but if they can do something then thats fine. And I would and have done the same for others.

 

[Mishaela]

Lavi, what's done is done...it didn't drop, and wether they could've helped or not, they didn't.....but they didn't get the drop, either (so if anything you can just say they got what they deserved - nothing).

If it matters that much, I can camp it with you (and if it was for your friend, with him too =P) sometime this week, might be able to bring someone with TH2 for good measure and everything. Just.....please stop being so upset over what happened..the cloak (and nothing of value) didn't even drop, so even if they WERE being selfish, they didn't get anything out of it, isn't that punishment enough?

 

[Kireek]

Holy #$@!

Holy Shit Lavi How long are you gonna bitch about this.. with all the time you probably spent here you could have gotten 4-5 Cloaks what it all comes down to in all of this is your just pissed that you didnt get a F@$%in Silena, so really wtf kind of mage doesnt carry Echos 24/7? thats like going to fight Kirin as a RNG and saying your only gonna use Rampage because you forgot you Gun in your MH, basicly you saved them well they probably are happy that you did but when it comes down to NM's different world... If my best friend ever came to CC me on something and was un prepared hell ya id let them die not my fault they wernt ready for the fight might be a few tense feelings after but eventualy most people drop things.. you apparently arnt one of them..