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I'm staying at a friends house, he's out of town right now though. He has a PW on the thing, but even when I put on the PW it won't allow me to access the net (even though the bars on my airport light up). I have used the net at his house before, but he had to do some wierd thing (looked like a programming window) on my comp first, anyone have any clue what that is, and what I need to do to be allowed to join the network?
 
Well, perhaps he have an encrypted network? In that case you'd have to set your comp to use the same encryption.

Although you could access it earlier, so I dunno <.<;
 
Is it wireless net access? I know with the Wireless Linksys system my house uses, it is able to be setup with a password. If it Linksys though, I believe you need the software installed, and has its own monitoring program. Windows does have its own monitor system too, although I really don't like it. Password input should all be done in the Network Connections panel through Control panel.
 
WEP-code. Wireless Encryption Protection ~ Does your code match the one installed to the wireless router? Secured protections do not allow information to be transferred. You could have 5/5 bars linked for the wireless connection, but without that code it does jack shit for you. Take a look into that and, if you get the code, punch it in and it may work.
 
Kotsu said:
WEP-code. Wireless Encryption Protection ~ Does your code match the one installed to the wireless router? Secured protections do not allow information to be transferred. You could have 5/5 bars linked for the wireless connection, but without that code it does jack shit for you. Take a look into that and, if you get the code, punch it in and it may work.
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Wired Equivalent Privacy actually.

The data or information as you described it is still sent, but it is encrypted with the WEP code, and unless you have the key, your computer cant decrypt it. That is how people can crack your network even though it is WEP "encrypted", the data is still being sent, and using de-cyphering tools, you can obtain the key. Just like how even if you have MAC address filtering, somebody can detect your signal, and spoof your MAC address and get access to your WAP. But you have the principle down.

As for a temporary solution to the problem.. If your WEP key is not working, (if indeed, it is a WEP key you are trying to enter and not a password to say a DSL connection) you can always physically reset the WAP via a button on the back. Now depending on brand and model, its usually a small button on the back you need to push in with a paper clip or a pencil. Hold it down for 10 seconds or so and the lights should go berserk for a while then settle down. It should now be returned to the factory settings which usually means, no encryption, no mac filtering, still broadcasting a SSID etc.. You should be able to detect the network and connect right up.

Your friend probably wont be too happy, but it will get you on the net if it is indeed the router causing the problem.
 
if it is wireless he probally have a code the software can make one up for you or you make it
if not he might just have a lock on his internet or something
 
nofriends said:
As for a temporary solution to the problem.. If your WEP key is not working, (if indeed, it is a WEP key you are trying to enter and not a password to say a DSL connection) you can always physically reset the WAP via a button on the back. Now depending on brand and model, its usually a small button on the back you need to push in with a paper clip or a pencil. Hold it down for 10 seconds or so and the lights should go berserk for a while then settle down. It should now be returned to the factory settings which usually means, no encryption, no mac filtering, still broadcasting a SSID etc.. You should be able to detect the network and connect right up.
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I'd try this at your own risk. If it does reset everything to defaults (of which there is no guarantee; I know my router retains all settings even upon a hard reset), that means the network will be open-access and anyone can tap into it and use his connection.

Not that big a deal really, but if that someone knows what they're doing they could probably get into his computer with little effort and f_ck some of his stuff up.
 
CmdrFly said:
I'd try this at your own risk. If it does reset everything to defaults (of which there is no guarantee; I know my router retains all settings even upon a hard reset), that means the network will be open-access and anyone can tap into it and use his connection.

Not that big a deal really, but if that someone knows what they're doing they could probably get into his computer with little effort and f_ck some of his stuff up.
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I just want to be able to use my laptop instead of this shitty ass pc, whatever happens to his shit...aint my fault
 
Then go nuts! Grab a paperclip and show that mofo router who's the boss.
 
oh i did, but I think I have to dl the software onto my laptop...technology sucks, I'm a go train some pigeons instead.
 
meeze said:
oh i did, but I think I have to dl the software onto my laptop...technology sucks, I'm a go train some pigeons instead.
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Not if you're running Windows XP.

You should randomly get popups down by your clock that say "Wireless Networks found, click here to see details" or something to that effect. If you don't, look for the little picture of a blue computer screen with waves coming out of it's side, there should be a small red X in the corner of this icon. Double-click it.

Since you reset the router to (hopefully) the factory defaults, you want to connect to a network called "Home" "Default" or something generic to that effect. Should be no password, so just double-click & grab your di-
 
CmdrFly said:
Not if you're running Windows XP.

You should randomly get popups down by your clock that say "Wireless Networks found, click here to see details" or something to that effect. If you don't, look for the little picture of a blue computer screen with waves coming out of it's side, there should be a small red X in the corner of this icon. Double-click it.

Since you reset the router to (hopefully) the factory defaults, you want to connect to a network called "Home" "Default" or something generic to that effect. Should be no password, so just double-click & grab your di-
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You dont get that if the person who configured the router has any security know-how at all. The 1st thing you should do is rename your SSID and disable SSID broadcasting. Windows will not be able to auto-detect the SSID of a router that is not set to broadcast. If he is using the factory settings, then yes it will appear on the wireless networks list, but just in case it doesnt, you have an explination for it. ^^
 
meeze said:
I'm staying at a friends house, he's out of town right now though. He has a PW on the thing, but even when I put on the PW it won't allow me to access the net (even though the bars on my airport light up). I have used the net at his house before, but he had to do some wierd thing (looked like a programming window) on my comp first, anyone have any clue what that is, and what I need to do to be allowed to join the network?
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What that was, was most likely the BSD core of your MacOS, and he was attaining your MAC address (It's like your IP address, but specific to your network device). With that MAC address he can make it that your computer is allowed to access his router. If you are on a Windows machine, he probably opened up a Command Prompt and got your MAC address for the same reason.

Your computer can only access the network if it has the password, the WEP key for that password, and proof that it's YOUR computer I.E. your network card's MAC address in the router's database.

In super ultra simple terms:

You want to get in a dance club. You need to be on the guest list, you need an invite, and you need a password.

And right now you're the loser outside trying to figure which one you're missing.

Resetting your friend's router will have several undesired results:

1) you will annoy the crap out of your friend.
2) you can compimise the entire security of the network.
3) you still probably don't know how to set up the router after it's been wiped to let you on, depending on how the router defaults.

Your best bet:

Grab a network cable (for anywhere form 75 cents for 3' to 14 bucks for 20'), make sure it's not a cross-over cable (usually red), and plug one end into your computer, and the other end into the router in any of the ports labled 'LAN'. Poof, problem solved.
 
Phraust said:
Grab a network cable (for anywhere form 75 cents for 3' to 14 bucks for 20'), make sure it's not a cross-over cable (usually red), and plug one end into your computer, and the other end into the router in any of the ports labled 'LAN'. Poof, problem solved.
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Hehehe WEP through use of an actual wire...

Edit - Oops just noticed the date on that, sorry for the necro.
 
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