New assault area

[Skaw]

I'm sure they'd make the drop incredibly rare (see: Kclub bcnm).

Probably going to be limited to one abjuration/item per win, maximum with a chance of nothing, from the crate that appears upon winning. Or the chance comes from appraisal. You could easily make a ??? Abjuration that has a huge chance of being food or drink.

 

[Dayner]

i wont get my hopes up .. but , i think SE doing one of those thing

1- this new Assault drop new type of gear

or

2- make the kings abj common to make room for better abj from ToAH engame area

at anyrate wait till the update

 

[pchan]

everyone DOES have a chance at the equipment. the mobs pop every day. there are several HNM shells, that are probably not difficult to get into, that camp these mobs. everyone that signs into the game, has the same chance as anyone else, to fight monsters. the opportunity is there, whether you take it or not, is your choice.



yeah, that was kinda my idea

This is funny, 200+ ppl in dragon'aery every day, you really think everyone has the same chance ? How many will get what they want ? Who can camp HNM everyday ? What about the use of third party in the past ? I don't call this fair.

If this new assault rewards abjurations, it will probably be hard, thus requiring some "player skill" and " strategies" unlike HNM, where claiming is the only issue.

So what, you don't have the ubber mega piece of gear for yourself only ? That's too bad, a bit of salvage would do you good.

 

[Mishaela]

everyone DOES have a chance at the equipment. the mobs pop every day. there are several HNM shells, that are probably not difficult to get into, that camp these mobs. everyone that signs into the game, has the same chance as anyone else, to fight monsters. the opportunity is there, whether you take it or not, is your choice.



yeah, that was kinda my idea

The opportunity is only "equal" if everyone used the same hacks or none at all. This isn't the case. You goto Behemoth or Fafnir and you'll see the same three or four people claim them virtually 95% of the time.

That being said, an alternate to getting these items if one is brought forth is DAMNED welcome. I'd say the greatest concern is, as I (and Necro now =P) have said, is if they murder the drop rate like they did KClub.

I'd say the monster or a chest would hafto drop the item(s). If the mission gave a "??? Abj." or such, it could turn into shouts of people attempting to sell them once IDed (even if they only have 5mins to do so) for some unruly price. In some assaults, ??? items are 100% guaranteed to be a certain high-grade item, and in that case people could actually get a buyer in advance, even. So...an ??? item way of doing this is a bad idea, and hopefully SE will just give whatever they plan to have the mission give via crate/mob drop.

 

[Uzor]

personally, I'd love to see soem new abjurations sets. Although I'm guessing salvage gear is the new abjuration-type sets.

It'd be cool if AF2 for the three new jobs dropped in it \(^.^)/

 

[Uzor]

The opportunity is only "equal" if everyone used the same hacks or none at all. This isn't the case. You goto Behemoth or Fafnir and you'll see the same three or four people claim them virtually 95% of the time.

That being said, an alternate to getting these items if one is brought forth is DAMNED welcome. I'd say the greatest concern is, as I (and Necro now =P) have said, is if they murder the drop rate like they did KClub.

I'd say the monster or a chest would hafto drop the item(s). If the mission gave a "??? Abj." or such, it could turn into shouts of people attempting to sell them once IDed (even if they only have 5mins to do so) for some unruly price. In some assaults, ??? items are 100% guaranteed to be a certain high-grade item, and in that case people could actually get a buyer in advance, even. So...an ??? item way of doing this is a bad idea, and hopefully SE will just give whatever they plan to have the mission give via crate/mob drop.

I can see it now... "??? Abjuration" -> Oblation Abjuration or that worthless drink one 95% of the time <.<; Atleast the soup is worthwhile.

 

[neophytal]

This is funny, 200+ ppl in dragon'aery every day, you really think everyone has the same chance ? How many will get what they want ? Who can camp HNM everyday ? What about the use of third party in the past ? I don't call this fair.

If this new assault rewards abjurations, it will probably be hard, thus requiring some "player skill" and " strategies" unlike HNM, where claiming is the only issue.

So what, you don't have the ubber mega piece of gear for yourself only ? That's too bad, a bit of salvage would do you good.

a bit of salvage would do me good? i have been to salvage about 4-5 times, so i have gone, thanks.

and there arent 200 people in the aery ever... when are you ever there? lol.. there are usually 100, maybe 150 at best on the weekends.. i know you are exagerrating.

all i was simply stating, is that, i hope they dont use to hand out gear, that is very hard to obtain otherwise. it sort of belittles people that have spent years getting their friends this gear, the normal way.

but i do agree, it does suck, what the claiming system has become.

The opportunity is only "equal" if everyone used the same hacks or none at all. This isn't the case. You goto Behemoth or Fafnir and you'll see the same three or four people claim them virtually 95% of the time.

but they dont let hackers in the shells! lol i know ,it really sucks.

 

[pchan]

a bit of salvage would do me good? i have been to salvage about 4-5 times, so i have gone, thanks.

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Well at least salvage lasts 1H40 only and you don't spend 2H (more ?) staring at 3 Flies. You work on some strategy to get what you want. So you indeed "play" the game.

 

[Skaw]

Oh hey, I just noticed the HNMesque Soulflayer. Screw that, no ones going to fight that thing until they tune down their TP moves =/

 

[neophytal]

Well at least salvage lasts 1H40 only and you don't spend 2H (more ?) staring at 3 Flies. You work on some strategy to get what you want. So you indeed "play" the game.

i'm not saying it takes alot of tactic to camp the kings itself, and anymore, it doesnt take as much skill to kill really. and by the way, its not 3 flies that you are staring at.. have you even been in the aery? cuz staring at them, you'd think you would know how many there are... lol

i didnt say salvage wasnt good lol? it is very challenging, and drops are very limited for as much work is put into it.

personally, i like salvage, just wish mages werent so gimp for the first 30-40 minutes of salvage.

 

[Stouter]

Why would you need to hack in these zones lol, not sure where you're going with this

Same reason you would hack the Bahamut fight or Dynamis zones.

everyone DOES have a chance at the equipment. the mobs pop every day. there are several HNM shells, that are probably not difficult to get into, that camp these mobs. everyone that signs into the game, has the same chance as anyone else, to fight monsters. the opportunity is there, whether you take it or not, is your choice.

Except they don't pop around everyone's schedule. Not everyone can give a 3 hour block of time to a HNM at a different time each day, and that's just for one HNM. Plus you won't always claim, they won't always drop, and you won't always be the only one after that item.

The amount of time spent getting the elite items isn't so terrible, it's the windows in which you are forced to do it in.

 

[neophytal]

Same reason you would hack the Bahamut fight or Dynamis zones.


Except they don't pop around everyone's schedule. Not everyone can give a 3 hour block of time to a HNM at a different time each day, and that's just for one HNM. Plus you won't always claim, they won't always drop, and you won't always be the only one after that item.

The amount of time spent getting the elite items isn't so terrible, it's the windows in which you are forced to do it in.

can't say i disagree at all.. but i guess thats what makes the items more rare.

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on a side note, ive been reading the bg thread, located : http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16729&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

this was my post:

no one has really said this.. that i could remember reading in 20 pages.. lol..

but do you really think they're going to put out something that would output more than salvage... with less effort....... not long after salvage has been available?

that would effectively mean they wasted their time even *developing* salvage.

some of you are such dreamers, not to rain on your parade.

but, i hope, that it is fun, exciting, offers new challenges, and can actually drop some good, COMPARABLE gear (not the same old shit that drops from everything else).

 

[Phraust]

It'll probably be something stupid like the way you aquire Pup, Blu, and Cor relic armor. This is Tau's response to Dynamis for the new jobs. =]

 

[Flameass]

i'm not saying it takes alot of tactic to camp the kings itself, and anymore, it doesnt take as much skill to kill really. and by the way, its not 3 flies that you are staring at.. have you even been in the aery? cuz staring at them, you'd think you would know how many there are... lol

i didnt say salvage wasnt good lol? it is very challenging, and drops are very limited for as much work is put into it.

personally, i like salvage, just wish mages werent so gimp for the first 30-40 minutes of salvage.

Zing neo.

 

[hellstorm]

i'm not saying it takes alot of tactic to camp the kings itself, and anymore, it doesnt take as much skill to kill really. and by the way, its not 3 flies that you are staring at.. have you even been in the aery? cuz staring at them, you'd think you would know how many there are... lol

i didnt say salvage wasnt good lol? it is very challenging, and drops are very limited for as much work is put into it.

personally, i like salvage, just wish mages werent so gimp for the first 30-40 minutes of salvage.

Still the issue of 3rd party programs at not everyone has there resident hacker and everyone don't have a ls that can span the entire 24hr time frame. 150 people in room that small you get 0 visibility. You lucky if you see 3 fly half the time. I like this system I just hope it a limited system where you can only go once or twice a week and it dont use assult tags.

 

[Artem]

That's what sets thesee items apart, when you see someone with them, you know they put in the time. If now everyone can get them, what's the point of ever getting them?

It's like slaving over a relic for a year and then they make it a 50% from nm killable by 6 people. To a lot of people Abj gear means as much as a relic. It's the symbol of what they accomplished.

 

[Garvin]

That's what sets thesee items apart, when you see someone with them, you know they put in the time. If now everyone can get them, what's the point of ever getting them?

It's like slaving over a relic for a year and then they make it a 50% from nm killable by 6 people. To a lot of people Abj gear means as much as a relic. It's the symbol of what they accomplished.

Oh please. The vast majority of those "accomplishments" are tainted and worthless. As long as it's difficult and requires effort, even if it's 6 people, I say good on them for finally getting rid of the haijin crap. I want a chance to play the game too.

 

[Mishaela]

Garvin got to it before me. Some people put in time, other (read: a good 70% minimum of the successful) people put in a DVD and wait to hear a provoke go off at their computer.

*edit* Sorry, should clarify this. Not 70% of successful people bot, but at least that many rely on a bot in their LS. Though it really goes hand-in-hand.

 

[Artem]

If you don't want to participate in that aspect in that endgame, you shouldn't get the gear elsewhere. Just like if you choose not to do sky, you shouldn't get sky from a chest in an instanced area. If you don't do salvage, you shouldn't magically get salvage items. You don't do kings, you shouldn't get king abjurations. It's simple as that, every event ingame has it's own set of gear and it should be relatively unique to that set of events

 

[Blazeoffury]

If you don't want to participate in that aspect in that endgame, you shouldn't get the gear elsewhere. Just like if you choose not to do sky, you shouldn't get sky from a chest in an instanced area. If you don't do salvage, you shouldn't magically get salvage items. You don't do kings, you shouldn't get king abjurations. It's simple as that, every event ingame has it's own set of gear and it should be relatively unique to that set of events

Best post here.If you do not want to do the work, don't worry about the gear, that's all there is to it, it's not liek you even have to be there the whole 3 hours of the window <if it even lasts that long> technically you only need to be there for 7 minutes+ however long it takes to kill, so 37~ mins.. is that really too much to do for gear?