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Tiael said:
Same coulda been said about ifrit/leviathan some of the current summons, in past FF's they usually were huge
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Problem is, while in size they were large, their power was a drop in the bucket compared to Bahamut, Odin, and Diablos. Seriously, Diablos was Gravity-magic master. Gravity in past FF games reduced a monsters HP by Percentages. Thats powerful when Gravity III did 3/4s HP in damage.
 
Diabolos they could retool if added, same with Odin and Bahamut if they are ever added in the future
 
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Skaw said:
Tiael said:
Same coulda been said about ifrit/leviathan some of the current summons, in past FF's they usually were huge
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Problem is, while in size they were large, their power was a drop in the bucket compared to Bahamut, Odin, and Diablos. Seriously, Diablos was Gravity-magic master. Gravity in past FF games reduced a monsters HP by Percentages. Thats powerful when Gravity III did 3/4s HP in damage.
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I think Leviathan was harder to getthan Odin was on FFIV. Way more useful too.

In FFVI where odin was an esper, he gave you +1 speed bonus at lvl up, and he taught you Meteor. Couple of different attacks right there. You could also turn him into Raiden and learn Quick and get +2 Strength at lvl up. Lots of different attacks he could do. He does have a 6 legged horse. I bet that thing could kick the shit outta somethin. I think if they are going to add another one it needs to be odin.

But I don't think they will add anymore.
 
I'm thinking if they don't add Bahamut, then they might add Neo Bahamut from FF7, wasn't a huge apperance but they could definatly scale that down. Since the phrase litterally means New Bahamut
 
Theres still a bunch of minor avatars they can use. Salamander. Pandemonium, Quetzalcoatl..

No reason to give SMNs a big name one they can beat off over.
 
Actually salamander is fire, same as ifrit, pandemonium is wind and quetzalcoatl is thunder, alrdy covered in FFXI and I don't think they'd be added anyways. The 1s that I think are a good possibility are odin, phoenix or alexander, who knows except SE though. Alexander is holy diff than light(carbuncle) Odin could be non elemental, and phoenix is moreso life than fire. Only time will tell, although I doubt SE will put in those minor 1s when their element is alrdy covered. Wouldn't suprise me if it's a big name 1
 
No, there is no difference between holy and light in this game. Pheonix was Fire/Life, as Ifrit is Fire too. So if anything they'd just give it a bunch of healing abilities, with a Raise thrown in.

You'll end up with either repeats of the 8 elements, or just more abilities given to the current 8. Other than that, theres no reason for them to give more avatars, other than novelty.
 
Liefe made statement earlier that Smn was gimp after 65~, mabe it will be a 2nd set of smns you have to solo as lvl 60 smn.

That way, instead of just handing a bunch of new abilities to the lvl 75 smn, make them work there ass off some more for some stuff that isn't all that much better.

That seems to be in the spirit of SE. I think we should act on it. E-mail your GM that doesn't give a damn today!
 
Well didn't SE alrdy state they were adding new avatars with ToAU? Remember reading that in an interview a while ago, but can't seem to find the link, o well, but I still think either Odin, Alexander or Phoenix are a good possiblity. Some people said BLU wouldn't be added since it wasn't feasible too, but now it's coming with ToAU. Just sayin don't put anything past SE :P
 
Well, IMHO, I belive Summoners are incredibly strong. However, not seen by many experience parties throughout the trail of 1-75. Summoners are a tad broken in some cases, however, it's fine.

As for new summons, yeah, there's a high possibility. Square-Enix will try and think of a way to make their customers happy. Who says Odin or Alexander will never be Avatars in the Final Fantasy XI world which is, mind you, a different world then previous Final Fantasy games or myths that were told years ago.

They could change the size, shape, and other things to make it equal to the Final Fantasy XI world. Shiva, Ifrit, Ramuh, and other avatars didn't have the exact same size and shape in each Final Fantasy game they were featured in did they? They were similar though.

As for the avatars elements, who says they can't make an avatar of the same element? There is no restriction bounding it to a certain pattern. And as for Fenrir and Carbuncle, they arn't the avatars which represent the elements. There's 2 known groups in the Final Fantasy XI world:

#1 - The Terrestrial Avatars: Carbuncle (Rainbow), Fenrir (Moon), Diabolos (Dreams), Bahamut (Sky), and Phoenix (Life).

#2 - The Celestial Avatars: Titan (Earth), Ifrit (Flames), Shiva (Ice), Odin/Alexander (Light/Dark), Garuda (Wind), Ramuh (Thunder/Lightning), and Leviathan (Water).

And there could also be other groups of avatars, but there's no possible way we can find out. But don't say it's impossible for a new avatar, even though it doesn't matter really, just more or less a way to make summoners and some other people happy, or impossible for a new job(s).
 
It's more of the fact thats theres plenty of other summoned characters to give as avatars before you deal out the big guys.

Seraphim(Light)? Siren(wind)? Maduin(Fire/Ice/Thunder)? Palador(Wind again)?

Theres no reason they can't have multiples of the same element. They could totally revamp summoners in general, and give 3 of each. An Attacker, a Tank, and a Support avatar.
 
I doubt they would add those, not as well known among the FF universe(wit the exception of Siren, possibly Maduin), still don't think any of those would fit in with FFXI though
 
Tiael said:
I doubt they would add those, not as well known among the FF universe(wit the exception of Siren, possibly Maduin), still don't think any of those would fit in with FFXI though
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Not as well known? To who? The kiddies that haven't played the better half of the Final Fantasy series? They don't have access to credit cards to play this game.
 
Well Palador and Sraphim were only in 1 FF, VI, Maduin/Madeen only made an appearance in VI and IX, and I still believe Garuda is the closest we will get to Siren in this. With the exception of Fenrir(VI and IX as summons) other appearances as an enemy, every other avatar has been in 3+ FF's
 
Although the Attack/Support/Tank avatar(s) would be a good idea, I seriously doubt SE would remove predator claws/other DD blood pacts from Garuda to turn her into strictly support, same with other avatars and BP's, since that's what I see them doing if they totally revamped it. Only time will tell, and who knows what SE is planning, I'm going to bed, so I'm gonna leave you with this :O
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BLM's have multiple spells of the same element. Avatars are spells do not forget. I for one think that if we want better summons we should sorta trade in our old ones for new ones. Such as, Garuda for Siren. Honestly, I'd prefer to actualy have a Job Ability besides Astral Flow. There are two jobs that don't have a Job Ability. Bard and Summoner. If they give Summoner anythng it should be a Job Ability! Sure, I'd like new avatars, but, fixing the job and/or giveing us a Job Ability would be better to me.
 
Wataza said:
BLM's have multiple spells of the same element. Avatars are spells do not forget. I for one think that if we want better summons we should sorta trade in our old ones for new ones. Such as, Garuda for Siren. Honestly, I'd prefer to actualy have a Job Ability besides Astral Flow. There are two jobs that don't have a Job Ability. Bard and Summoner. If they give Summoner anythng it should be a Job Ability! Sure, I'd like new avatars, but, fixing the job and/or giveing us a Job Ability would be better to me.
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3. Ninja has no Job Abilities either.
 
They should make a list of instant summons. Like avatars you can summon for one ability and then they disappear for 10 minutes after consuming a lot of MP. They can be either destructive or make use of great party abilities.

Hell, they can be Job Abilities by themselves, and they can finally make use of Summoning Magic Skill.

More summons, why not? Fix the job? Just tweak it a bit to make it even more useful...
 
Skaw said:
Wataza said:
BLM's have multiple spells of the same element. Avatars are spells do not forget. I for one think that if we want better summons we should sorta trade in our old ones for new ones. Such as, Garuda for Siren. Honestly, I'd prefer to actualy have a Job Ability besides Astral Flow. There are two jobs that don't have a Job Ability. Bard and Summoner. If they give Summoner anythng it should be a Job Ability! Sure, I'd like new avatars, but, fixing the job and/or giveing us a Job Ability would be better to me.
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3. Ninja has no Job Abilities either.
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True, I had forgotten about Ninja. Hmm, they could have a Job Ability that for the casting of one Ninjutsu spell you can not be interrupted. When I think about a Job Ability for a Summoner I can not think of one that would be good. Perhaps make the ACC for one Blood Pact be increased or just make the next Blood Pact stronger. Like Elemental Seal icreases a spell ACC and Divine Seal doubles a Cure for a Cure spell. Bard coudl have one that enhances the effectiveness of their next song.
 
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