New York Times: Saddam had WMD capabilities

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I remember all last year when the WMD issue was huge. "Bush lied, people died' and all that jazz.
Turns out maybe it wasn't a lie.

BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 12 - In the weeks after Baghdad fell in April 2003, looters systematically dismantled and removed tons of machinery from Saddam Hussein’s most important weapons installations, including some with high-precision equipment capable of making parts for nuclear arms, a senior Iraqi official said this week in the government’s first extensive comments on the looting.

The Iraqi official, Sami al-Araji, the deputy minister of industry, said it appeared that a highly organized operation had pinpointed specific plants in search of valuable equipment, some of which could be used for both military and civilian applications, and carted the machinery away.

Dr. Araji said his account was based largely on observations by government employees and officials who either worked at the sites or lived near them.

“They came in with the cranes and the lorries, and they depleted the whole sites,” Dr. Araji said. “They knew what they were doing; they knew what they want. This was sophisticated looting.”

And on Slate, Christopher Hitchens thinks it was much more than simple 'looting:'

My first question is this: How can it be that, on every page of every other edition for months now, the New York Times has been stating categorically that Iraq harbored no weapons of mass destruction? And there can hardly be a comedy-club third-rater or MoveOn.org activist in the entire country who hasn’t stated with sarcastic certainty that the whole WMD fuss was a way of lying the American people into war. So now what? Maybe we should have taken Saddam’s propaganda seriously, when his newspaper proudly described Iraq’s physicists as “our nuclear mujahideen.”

My second question is: What’s all this about “looting”? The word is used throughout the long report, but here’s what it’s used to describe. “In four weeks from mid-April to mid-May of 2003 ... teams with flatbed trucks and other heavy equipment moved systematically from site to site. ... ‘The first wave came for the machines,’ Dr Araji said. ‘The second wave, cables and cranes.’ ” Perhaps hedging the bet, the Times authors at this point refer to “organized looting.”

But obviously, what we are reading about is a carefully planned military operation. The participants were not panicked or greedy civilians helping themselves—which is the customary definition of a “looter,” especially in wartime. They were mechanized and mobile and under orders, and acting in a concerted fashion. Thus, if the story is factually correct—which we have no reason at all to doubt—then Saddam’s Iraq was a fairly highly-evolved WMD state, with a contingency plan for further concealment and distribution of the weaponry in case of attack or discovery.

Random DU quote to sum it up: "Karl Rove must be controlling the NYT now."
 
But didn't he just admit that there were no WMD, Or accidentally say that? I don't really keep up with the new so bare with me ><
 
I figured he probably had WMD's anyway. I mean come on, if Korea can have nukes, and Korea is broke, why cant rich Saddam have some made?
 
DOES THIS NOT SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE ELSE?????? The article is basically saying that there actually weer WMDs and that looters made off with them. I dont know about you all, but I would feel safer thinking that our president lied to us and bated us into a war, than knowing that the president was actually correct, but the WMDs were "looted" and taken god knows where and controlled by god knows whom.
 
alanon said:
DOES THIS NOT SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE ELSE?????? The article is basically saying that there actually weer WMDs and that looters made off with them. I dont know about you all, but I would feel safer thinking that our president lied to us and bated us into a war, than knowing that the president was actually correct, but the WMDs were "looted" and taken god knows where and controlled by god knows whom.

To quote Dr. Spangler: "That would be bad."

I tend to treat shit like this in a kill or be killed kind of way. I'm the last to raise a fist if no one is posing a threat, but the first to step up and blast a mothertrucker if they so much as joke about threatening my well being.
Is nothing sacred?
WMD looting bastages...
 
Sucks living half an hour from NYC sometimes lol That would be target #1
 
Sucks for us in California, too. Because supposedly the terrorists could sneak in from Mexico and..Well, Texas and California are prime boder-hopping spots. Also, from another thing I heard on CNN or Fox news, one or the other, the WMD's supposedly were looted from there and moved to a remote location in Syria. Scary.
 
How many disgruntled Iraqi citizens do you think know how to systematically break down and safely transport machinery that could be used to create nuclear weapons? I'm betting against these just being simple looters.
 
People so often fail to see that in war there are no absolutes. You simply have to look into reasonable threats, judge the possible outcomes, the likelyhoods and the risk and costs of all actions. Even if there was a 10% chance of Saddam having nukes, weigh the results of doing nothing versus taking him out of power and you'll see from a logical standpoint if he did or did not in fact have nukes is nearly meaningless, merely that it's important we took out a potential threat.
Unfortunately the threat continues, but our war is far from over.
 
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