NIN TP/WS (Non-Usukane)

[Lecreuset]

Barring Usukane, as I have none...

What is optimal for TP/WS assuming /WAR?

Those who're Usukane-insistent can include their input, as someday I'll see this along...but I'd like to know what ya'll use right now.

This is more a fuck-around job for me, as I have some powerhouses leveled, but more often than not I find myself using NIN for things I do with fewer people around. It's kinda neat, so I wondered what to do to do it proper-ish...

TP
Main: Senjuinrikio
Sub: Perdu Blade
Ranged: Empty
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Denali Bonnet/Wahlahra Turban
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Suppanomimi (Might be Ethereal, going to drop Suppa for Abyssal or Bushi.)
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Koga Chainmail/Haubergeon+1/Ninja Chainmail+1
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Fuma Sune-Ate

WS Assuming Jin/Kamu only.
Main: Senjuinrikio
Sub: Perdu Blade
Ranged: Empty
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Maat's Cap
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Minuet Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon+1 - Own an Osode, but I think Haub+1 no doubt.
Hands: Ninja Tekko +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring (Not sure what else to put here really...
Back: Cuchulain's Mantle
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Storm Gambieras cause I'm a gimp without an Air Tank for Rutters yet. I'm going to assume Rutters/Denali?

Post your own ideas/actual sets up D: I'm nosyyyyyyyyyyy.
Food/Merits if any for NIN. .-.

I'm nosy about this junk for other jobs too, as I've been stuck on a mage much of the time and as I posted on some lame flame that as far as melee goes, I kinda just copy what the neat people do for their TP/WS xD

 

[mdkuser]

Looking good except denali head. No job should ever be using denali head. do not tp in a haubegeon, TP in af+1 body, ws in hauby. You'll never be able to eat meat in merit pts for example, w/e your merits.

edit: oh and cerberus mantle... dont use this it's inferior to HQ amemets, who are real cheap.

 

[Lecreuset]

Looking good except denali head. No job should ever be using denali head. do not tp in a haubegeon, TP in af+1 body, ws in hauby. You'll never be able to eat meat in merit pts for example, w/e your merits.

edit: oh and cerberus mantle... dont use this it's inferior to HQ amemets, who are real cheap.

Head > Turban?
Back > Amemet+1, what about Forager or Charger Mantle for TP?

 

[mdkuser]

turban for head. foragers is better than amamet+1 obviously. chargers is for monk's asuran fists only.

 

[Xean]

Especially since you're Elvaan, get a Shinobi Ring for TP rather than Rajas.

Forager's, if you have it. If not, then yeah Amemet +1.

 

[xeon]

Shinobi Ring:hiding: /war and lowman I wouldn't keep my hp that low.

 

[Langly]

Not using Cuchulain's Mantle during TP? Any reason?

 

[a7x]

Enkidu's mittens for hands for WS, acc+5 beats 1 str and dex imo, should probably TP in cuchulain's mantle as well, and denali feet for WS as well.

 

[Arezael]

Without knowing some more specific details, the advice you're going to receive will be of a far more general nature.

What are you fighting? (In terms of what you most commonly use Ninja for).
What food do you usually use?
What Nin-specific merits and general merits do you already have that affect Nin (Str Dex Crit+ etc).


I'm going to assume you're not trying to Katana-melee things like Kirin, where your damage output will be largely irrelevant. (This is applicable to Ninja in general).

I'm also going to assume in general you aren't under the support of things like SV Minuet x2 March x2 Chaos roll etc.

I'd expect you will have to use Marinara pizza (+1) or Sole sushi (+1) if you're fighting anything worthwhile (VT IT targets without super high Def, Physical Dmg resistances).


As far as upgrades go, the first thing you'll want to do is use something else on your WS neck slot. (Breeze gorget for example).

Most other WS upgrades I can think of will centre around a decision you need to make: are you going for a Crit hit build (DEX+)? If so, you're better off not halfway finishing this set. Assume you have Acc food in effect (Sole/Mari +1) and load up on Dex where you feel you can lose the Acc you might otherwise have on your usual item slots:


Jin:

Neck: Breeze/Thunder gorget or consider Kubira beads if you know you can break a Dex tier with it.
Ear 2: Pixie earring (if you have it) or Hollow earring or Dex + 2 otherwise
Hands: Hachiryu kote (with the mention of ZNMs, Idk if you have these)
Ring 1: Thunder ring (or Flame ring if non-Dex build)
Back: Cuchulain's mantle
Feet: Koga Kyahan (Nighttime/Dusk-Dawn +1) or Pahluwan crackows

Body: Osode if you're able to sacrifice the Acc at this stage.

Obviously there will still be a reasonable amount of Str from other items (MCap, Body, Raja's, Back, Warwolf, Food)

You'll have to be the judge as to when you can wheel out the Dex build (to coincide with Berserk/Warcry timers, perhaps if you have Minuet support or low evasion targets etc).

Bear in mind large amounts of Dex (technically every 2 for a single-hander) is a good substitute for Acc as well as a secondary modifier of Jin.


If you decide you don't want to mess with a Dex build, go for the upgrades mentioned:

Neck: Breeze/Thunder gorget
Ear 2: Str +2 earring (Triumph, Bushino etc)
Ring 1: Flame ring/Triumph/Omicron
Back: Cuchulain's mantle
Feet: There's a larger choice on these: Denali, Rutter, Pahluwan


Again, bear in mind it depends on what food you're using and what you're fighting as to what you can use.

At any given time you'll need to assess what you can effectively use, there will never be one gearset for all - there will be fights where you need to adjust certain items because they're not viable (Str only items where you need more Acc, for example Thief targets).


I apologise for the format, I'm in a bit of a hurry on my Lunch, and remember these are just my suggestions, if you think it doesn't suit you, just ignore them.

 

[Lecreuset]

Without knowing some more specific details, the advice you're going to receive will be of a far more general nature.

What are you fighting? (In terms of what you most commonly use Ninja for).
What food do you usually use?
What Nin-specific merits and general merits do you already have that affect Nin (Str Dex Crit+ etc).

Fighting, anything that comes along really.
I used to use NIN as my first voke job in meripo, now I use it to hang around town or go mess around in Campaign or General Adventuring, helping with Nyzul Climbs. :O Just most anywhere really... Across the past, through the Soulflayers and Imps in Arrapago(I usually have a mage partner capable of the typical Haste spell), doesn't matter.

With my decline on some events as of late, I've began to pick apart my /DRK sets and just looking more to play /WAR with a mage partner, or /DNC alone or with a THF farming.

It's a broad spectrum and probably doesn't help much.

I'll bring it to merits still if I'm too lazy to mule my gear for another job and it was just something friendly with pals who didn't care if I was bringing my heaviest swinger to the plate.

Food, I left that open because I really have no clue what to eat.

I'm almost the definition of a cookie cutter DD when it comes to melee jobs doing any type of damage.

If it looks like what most people use for TP/WS, I'm probably using it or something close with a couple personal tweaks here and there and not sure what food to pair with what, for what.

I've been blessed with friends who take jobs they specialize in, very seriously and can just kinda pick and choose for me lol... I poke at them and they custom tailor most for me, but not many friends give that much of a damn about NIN, and until recently... I never really did unless it was /DRK for LSevents either.

No Hope Torque, won't merit Katana.

Marksmanship and (Scythe Perhaps) will be 8/8 when I finish my combat merits...someday.

Attributes are left as-is, unsure whether to merit STR(SAM & RNG) or INT(lolElvaanMage) atm w/Crit+ to be capped. ;O

No apologies for the format necessary, help's help.

 

[mdkuser]

Not using Cuchulain's Mantle during TP? Any reason?

not necessary. also depends on merits in katana or not. basically NIN is like THF in term of accuracy, so if the NIN doesnt have katana merit ( like mine), he cant eat meat or even pizza, its sole sushi only, then cuchu mantle is bad (unless serious crit build).

If the NIN has katana merit though he'll be able to use pizza and still keep his af+1 body, but should use cuchu at this point. Thats if you fight mobs like mamooljas of course, weaker mobs you absolutely never need cuchu mantle.

Now nin is a job where DEX builds are really effective. I used to merit on ninja with the following build, which gave me someting like 30% crit rate, really amazing:

senjuin/perdu/lighning+1/X
AF+1 bod/dusk/iota/rajas
cuchu/swift /byakkos/fumas

food: solo sushi+1

total like 125 dex

garranted 24% crit rates on colibris since DEX-AGI>50, add 3% coming from weapons (averaged), thats almost 30%.. its really amazing

 

[Langly]

I find it hard to believe it's not necessary. I'm not sure how 4 DEX and 5 acc is bad during TP? There's no haste piece available for that slot soo...?

Every parse I ever used to do with 8/8 katana merits on mamool ja put me near 90% but never capped. I did eat Sushi, and sure my gear is slightly better than it used to be.

Ok... I'm doing some self thinking atm... so bare with me.

My setup at the moment for NIN would look something like this:

Senji             /  Perdu             /      /Bomblet
Walahra           /  PCC               /Brutal/Suppa
AF+1 or Haub(+1)  /Dusk, Koga at night /Blood /Sniper
Cuhulain's Mantle /Swift Belt          /Byakko/Usukane

Which puts me at about 46 + (12 from haub if on) acc during TP. With 8/8 merits and bonus from dex I don't think that puts me anywhere near cap... does it?

285 skill and + 46 acc + 70+24 DEX. Puts me at 369.5 acc right? (This is AF+1 body use.)

 

[Airou]

Should definitely try to get a Breeze Gorget for ws, very nice piece. OTher than that your setup is pretty solid, but Nin is kinda meh without its 8/8 Katana merits. Atleast i think so

 

[mdkuser]

Every parse I ever used to do with 8/8 katana merits on mamool ja put me near 90% but never capped. I did eat Sushi, and sure my gear is slightly better than it used to be.

you cannot get more than 90% ish accuracy at this camp due to random level of Mobs, MMJ THF require 500+ acc, NIN require 450 while almost all other mobs require only 420 acc. if you look at a parser with damage split by mob family you'll notice something like:

MMJ mages 93%ish ( cannot cap due to evasion booost move which is +40 evasion)
MMJ BST DRG 93% ish same.

MMJ BLU 85-90% ish.

puks 85% ish (canot cape due to flash etc)

MMJ NIN 80%
MMJ THF 60-70% ( retarded eva).


If you do have full merits and this gear you should be definatlely be at 420+ with pizza ( and cuchu yes, I said use cuchu if you are full merit + pizza), not even counting inin. At that point accuracy loses a lot of value because it will be wasted on 80% of the mob and only useful on thf/nin.

edit: oh yeah, I actually had some more acc gear, A. torque 2 torreador for 5 more accuracy, but still had to sushi it due to no merits.

 

[Khajit]

The flashes from puk skew things too. I had 92%+ acc on everything except puk which dropped the overall acc% noticeably for my war the other day. It's best not to count on innin for everything since people will expect you to be first voke no matter what and if you're geared nicely you're going to still be grabbing hate from your damage thusly losing your bonuses.

 

[Nyosan~]

No job should ever be using denali head.

Except for THF during non-WS Trick Attack. Other than that, I agree.