Ninja AF Body discusion

[Passions]

Ok so me and some member so my LS got into a little discussion over AF body for ninja and weither the "enhances dual weild" is worth it over some other gear. We were saying it might be good for for soloing but wouldn't say a haubergeon be better in that situation? if your able to evaid well enough that the evasion of a SH isn't really that important nore the acc would the dual weild help out more then another piece of gear? Is ninja AF BODY worthless if your able to equip yourself in these better pieces of equipment? This is all pre Kirin's osede which is by far better then anything else out there for ninja.
~discuss~

 

[Tankt]

i love ninja AF body and plan on upgrading it to +1 eventualy, and using either those god legs with 5% haste or koga legs and the enhance dual wield earring for a totall of -45% delay when dual wielding.

without any parsing programs i'm only able to really make assumptions about things, but i've read that there's demenishing returns on more and more +evasiong and as a galka with naturally lower agility i think i may see those demenishing returns sooner than others

when i tried out a sword belt+1 i didn't really see any different in damage, and im not sure i see one with amemet mantle but increased attack speed is a given, doesn't really take much thought, if you've got -45% delay on weapons you are definitely doing more damage over time and gaining TP at a faster rate

 

[Zoolander]

If your one of those nins that likes to convince themselves SH and hauby are a waste of gil....go for it.

I can't see any reason to wear this...at the very least you need a ton of haste gear to stack with this to make it possibly worth using over SH on ITs or Hauby/byrnie on VTs, and unless your 75 with byakkos, suppa, swift/speed belt, dusk gloves, fuma, and panther/+1...I don't see the point.

And diminshed returns on evasion? WTF are you smoking?

 

[Tankt]

no one said anything about SH or Huaby not being good. and if you try reading more carefully you'll see that i wasn't assuming to be stating any sort of factual information about the deminished returns of evasion, my post clearly states that i've not parsed anything and have only read that on forums

 

[Passions]

If your one of those nins that likes to convince themselves SH and hauby are a waste of gil....go for it.

I've got both actually. The main point of our discussion that was being argued i think was on {Too Weak} mobs. ones that dont really have the acc to hit you that often, especially if blinded.

I can't see any reason to wear this...at the very least you need a ton of haste gear to stack with this to make it possibly worth using over SH on ITs or Hauby/byrnie on VTs, and unless your 75 with byakkos, suppa, swift/speed belt, dusk gloves, fuma, and panther/+1...I don't see the point.

Not 75 yet but i did a little testing on this in {The Boyada Tree} the other night when i finally finished grabing a full set of af gear (hehe at 66). I didn't notice a huge difference between it and the SH other then i was having to use ichi to keep blink up where with just SH+1 i could mostly just stick to Ni. That was on Decent challenge to me with capped evasion. I'm not loaded with haste gear yet i only have Fuma Kyahan that adds haste. I didn't parser the results but i didn't really feel like i'd gained that much extra tp since i was waiting 4 seconds on ichi a lot more then with SH.

I'd just think that instead of lowering the delay of your weapons by ~5% you'd rather make contact more often and evaid more so you spend less time casting.


And zoo you already know what i'm smoking :emote_grouphug:

 

[Tankt]

i never thought of that but having to spend the 4 seconds casting ichi would definitely negate some of the benefit of having faster attack speed.

im a little unclear exactly how effective each point +evasion is though, i finally got 2 elusive earrings from bcnm60 the other day and arhat boots and gloves. so i've gotten like +11 extra evasion over what i had previously and since then i've only had a chance to exp on processionaires in the tree, which i think i may be a little low for at 63 because didn't notice any improvement with my new level of +evasion

 

[Reko]

Damn these boards, I cant post posts longer than 10 lines or so...
And here I spent all this time making such a good post for once ; ;

 

[Langly]

The AF body is actually slicker then most imagine.

And the AF1 body +1 is even better. I always carry it around with me. Of course I do my tanking in my Scorpion Harness. The stigma of losing 10 EVA makes me fear taking it off even for a second while tanking.

But when the mob isn't on me, I'll sometimes switch to AF Body. With haste, it's pretty sweet to have an effective delay of around the low 200's. Don't dismiss it too quickly. Plus I think it's pretty rakish.

 

[wolfskymoon]

The nins who think SH and ochido's kotes are the best thing are so very wrong.I mean you lose 10 evasion from the level 72 gloves and on top of that kotes have -5 evasion so thats = -15 + 10 evasion(From SH):-
5 evasion 10 accuracy 20 attack? (8 mil saved btw)

Now lets say this dude is wearing Assault jerkin with the level 72 gloves:-
10 evasion 3 accuracy 20 attack - 1 percent to hp
In my opinion as a ninja for exping the combo with Assault and is alot better than the combo with kotes and SH.
AF body is ok but i think coathardie would be alot better

 

[Tagrineth]

But what about H.Kotes WSM?

 

[Stouter]

The nins who think SH and ochido's kotes are the best thing are so very wrong.I mean you lose 10 evasion from the level 72 gloves and on top of that kotes have -5 evasion so thats = -15 + 10 evasion(From SH):-
5 evasion 10 accuracy 20 attack? (8 mil saved btw)

Now lets say this dude is wearing Assault jerkin with the level 72 gloves:-
10 evasion 3 accuracy 20 attack - 1 percent to hp
In my opinion as a ninja for exping the combo with Assault and is alot better than the combo with kotes and SH.
AF body is ok but i think coathardie would be alot better

Wait wait osode is terribly stupid for nin but cote is good?

If you're tanking without casting ichi, or not tanking at all as nin, what is the harm in dropping evasion gear for DD gear as long as you're not forced to cast ichi?

 

[neophytal]

evasion-5 does not make that big of a difference anyways.. at least with some nice evasion skill merits and nice evasion skill gear.

 

[Bajaratt]

Ok so me and some member so my LS got into a little discussion over AF body for ninja and weither the "enhances dual weild" is worth it over some other gear. We were saying it might be good for for soloing but wouldn't say a haubergeon be better in that situation? if your able to evaid well enough that the evasion of a SH isn't really that important nore the acc would the dual weild help out more then another piece of gear? Is ninja AF BODY worthless if your able to equip yourself in these better pieces of equipment? This is all pre Kirin's osede which is by far better then anything else out there for ninja.
~discuss~

You could argue that AF body is better for building TP with the faster attack speed, but you'd probably want to macro in your haubergeon for weapon skills. I don't know everything about dual weild and TP, so you'd have to ask someone that did.

 

[gir]

All I can imagine is that with capped eva and katana merits it could be something to experiment with. You could go full haste build and have Istar haste you, and maybe throw in a bard for dual march. Heck, go AF+1. Might be fun.

Then again, byrnie(+1) has nice stats. Better than AJ or haub(+1) for DD NIN imo. When eva is an issue, nin should be using SH(+1), no question. If you can Ni->Ni tank you'll do more dmg and get faster tp than when wasting time with ichi.

And WSM, there's no way you can wear two pairs of gloves at the same time if you're playing the same game as we are. So your eva -15 figure is wrong like the rest of your analysis.

Passions can get with his current gear:
SH+1 + o. kote = +12 acc, +7 eva, +20 atk

Or sacrificing atk for eva (swap to horomusha kote):
SH+1 + h. kote = +12 acc, +12 eva, +15 atk

You're saying eva is important. AJ doesn't even provide that. If atk is what he's looking for, byrnie is by far the better choice (giving str/dex and more atk) and also can be used 7 lvls earlier.