No Cake For You

I'm not saying he's a hero. He really proved the ends don't justify the means, but then again his end was death. He lost. Germany as a whole, though, has ... (looking for sensitive choice of words here) came out better than it did after WW1 without a doubt. Really, I realize he's the villain of the 20th Century, but people should understand the facts. Blanket statements about Nazis and kids dressed up in KKK outfits really speaks only for prejudice and hatred, not against it.

I'm just saying people are talking about the situation with their heads up their asses. You say "We all know" but just because you and I know it doesn't speak for everyone else. You weren't one of the ones I was even talking to (and you should know that) so why defend the others?
 
You say "We all know" but just because you and I know it doesn't speak for everyone else. You weren't one of the ones I was even talking to (and you should know that) so why defend the others?


True.

You should clarify exactly whom you're directing your comments/remarks to though. As it stands your address was vague and directed at anyone and everyone participating in this conversation.

I doubt Skaw is 'defending' anyone, looks like he's just countering your opinions with his own... no harm there.
 
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i too am one of those people that have read more about Hitler then the average person. everything i have read points to this conclusion i already summed up about him. Brains in the right hands will do great things, brains in the wrong hands will also great things, but also things that were better off not being done. So he united Germany after WW1 and brought it back to prosperity. He was also unstable enough to believe that wiping out and entire group of people who we different from him was perfectly justified.

i watched the MSN video of the parents asking for tolerance for the names of their children. What most of the members of this board are asking for is a little common sence. Who in their right mind could possibly think naming your child after Hitler would just pass under the radar.
 
Ok, fair enough. I was vague and I think I will remain vague, so no harm and no foul.

I reread the whole thread and picked out some choice displays of intolerance and/or stupidity, but I didn't want to call people out like that and start a Kiru vs whomever fight. I simply wanted to discuss points of view. It's not the flame board, you know? =)

It's within the parents' legal rights to name their children what they did. I also did a few Google clicks to look at some interesting notes and comments and questions about child naming laws in the US (and a few outside the US, but mostly by accident) and found a few funny things like "If someone wants to name their child Adolf Hitler Jr that's fine. It's a free country." This is all fine and dandy when it's hypothetical, but when it isn't people start singing a different tune and sending death threats to the parents' home. Talk about intolerance! Not that any of you said those things. I just thought it was funny how everything is A-OK in theory, but when it's reality people send a different message.

Well, I think the whole situation is funny in general, I just feel bad that it's at the expense of some children who don't even have the capacity to understand what's going on yet. That part is pretty upsetting.

Overall, I think everyone who said they aren't fit parents and they deserve their kids taken away - as well as everyone who thinks licensing breeding is going to stop nonsense like this - you're all wrong. There are some key reasons I could see for the kids being taken away, but I think that's for a court to decide. Freedom of speech has its own stipulations. Aryan Nation may seem harmless at a glance because the words are nonthreatening, but Kill Every Jew Campell doesn't seem appropriate. It's harmful, in many ways. So I think a court needs to decide whether Nazi names are harmful to the named or those around them.

Another factor is that you can change a birth certificate, but you really can't stop the parents from calling them Adolf Hitler to their face. So what kind of impact does that have on someone? How do you cope with that when you find out who Hitler was and what he did? (and I don't mean reformed Germany's economics, this time) I think it's all just a bit more complicated than many posters here make it out to be, but try to be impartial.

Man, I dribbled off into a ramble again. I think everyone who is being hateful toward the parents (especially extremists with threatening letters and phone calls) are of the same breed and stock as the parents themselves. You may not condone their actions and we generally agree that Hitler was not morally righteous, but you're really a hypocrite when you blindly follow your own dogma and it is harmful to others - in this case a pair of Neo Nazis pretending (poorly) that they aren't.

The fact remains, though, if my daughter went to school with Adolf Hitler Bennet I certainly wouldn't want her to be friends with him and if that was completely unavoidable (which it probably wouldn't be) I certainly wouldn't ever let her over his house. You feel me? I think there's a strong case that it's mentally abusive and it should be handled accordingly by a court of law.
 
Blanket statements about Nazis and kids dressed up in KKK outfits really speaks only for prejudice and hatred, not against it.

normally I'd agree with you but we're talking about Nazis and KKK here. I think its safe to assume that anyone who's in either movement aren't going to be great people.

I don't Hate those people, its very hard not to, but I know that many of those people were just like those two kids, raised in an environment with parents who's fucked them up from the very beginning. I cant really blame them, can anyone truly say you yourselves could have escaped that environment had you been raised in it. I'd like to think i would, but i don't really know.

But I still don't think that you should be allowed to name your kid Adolf Hitler, I'm all for free speech, but what about the rights of the children? Those parents are imposing their "free speech" on their kids as their NAMES. Where does it end? Should someone be allowed to name their kid "kill babies" if they want to? or how about "disgusting crap" boy that has a ring to it, and its original to!
 
I think everyone who is being hateful toward the parents (especially extremists with threatening letters and phone calls) are of the same breed and stock as the parents themselves.

The fact remains, though, if my daughter went to school with Adolf Hitler Bennet I certainly wouldn't want her to be friends with him and if that was completely unavoidable (which it probably wouldn't be) I certainly wouldn't ever let her over his house. You feel me? I think there's a strong case that it's mentally abusive and it should be handled accordingly by a court of law.

Bold 1) I fully agree with this. It's the other extreme, still hate. I don't condone the actions of extremists or hateful individuals who threaten these people. Not at all. That being said, I think those two 'adults' who conceived those children are MORONS. My opinion won't change, they're selfish and perhaps didn't think hard enough and far enough into the future before deciding on such names.

Bold 2) Like you said it's unavoidable and THAT in itself is harmful to those children. It WILL BE (when they are at the mental capacity) harmful to their well being. Until that point a ton of upset they don't understand, why their friends aren't allowed to play with them. They WILL feel it at a young age, kids aren't stupid. Think of the possible resentment alone they one day may very well harbour for their parents after learning the simple history behind their name(this century's 'bad man'). You do understand what damage that can do to a young adult or teen right?
 
i too am one of those people that have read more about Hitler then the average person. everything i have read points to this conclusion i already summed up about him. Brains in the right hands will do great things, brains in the wrong hands will also great things, but also things that were better off not being done. So he united Germany after WW1 and brought it back to prosperity. He was also unstable enough to believe that wiping out and entire group of people who we different from him was perfectly justified.

i watched the MSN video of the parents asking for tolerance for the names of their children. What most of the members of this board are asking for is a little common sence. Who in their right mind could possibly think naming your child after Hitler would just pass under the radar.

Were you also the one who said knowing swastika did not originate in Nazi Germany takes a dedication to detail - or was that the other Z-name floating around? That's ridiculous. I think most of the world knows that. I would wager that ignorant Americans take up most of the census of people who don't know that. I dunno. I would classify it as "common knowledge" but yes it has been demonized. I'm not saying everyone should tattoo them to themselves. I'm just saying it's (imo) "common knowledge" that its been around at least a thousand years.

Playing Devil's Advocate (almost literally) lots of people think it's perfectly justified to wipe out an entire race or class of people. It's happening right now! All over the world! It's a feeling that almost any one is capable of, apparently. It's why governments should be regulated and have checks/balances (that work). Anyway, I'm not defending Hitler. No, no, not at all. I'm just saying it's a fairly common occurrence in human history. It's not altogether that special. That doesn't make it right, or making kids bear his name any better, so this is a totally pointless paragraph. Sorry for writing it. =)

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To answer your other question:

No one thought naming their children Adolf Hitler would fly under the radar. In a conversation with my brother earlier I said "Do you ever remember Happy Birthday Todd Oliver being on any of my cakes?" I'm pretty sure "Happy Birthday Adolf" may have flown, but they were clearly fishing for a reaction. "Wal-Mart does it!" WTF is that? Way to call Wal-Mart out - and shit if Wal-Mart does it, what's the fng problem? Why did you go somewhere else this year? You like their cakes more? No, no, they were just begging for this attention. Sending them death threats is only fueling the fire of hatred. It's really all they want. I'd be willing to bet you and Skaw know more about Nazi Germany and Hitler's life than these two.
 
I'd be willing to bet you and Skaw know more about Nazi Germany and Hitler's life than these two.

Greeeeattt..., so the complete ignorant morons raising these children (when they've already proven to have a messed up grip on reality) would be alright, give 'em their children back!!

All jokes aside, I don't think naming their children is just cause to have them removed from their home. Their is hate being embedded in children's minds all over North America as well as the rest of this world.

These two were just that fucking stupid to put it right out their for the attacks. Way to go mom and pop.
 
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