No "I" in Team, or Party for that matter......

Padington

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The other day I was in a party trying to level my THF35 and I was continually insulted by someone I won't name. This person is a THF69 and as such assumes they're the Patron Saint of all Thieves. Now I don't mind advice but this guy was riding me for not getting SATA + Viper Bite every single time. It's a little hard to do that when they don't voke worth shit and let the mob run all over the damn place. Their excuse was that "SATA hate is unstable and a decent Thief can compensate and still do their job everytime". If been playing quite a while now and believe me that's pure grade A bullshit. All parties are a team effort, we stand or fall together so no one person can take all the blame for something not working. That's my rant....Thank you. :(
 
It was entirely my fault it came up 3 times. The server lagged and I hit the "post" button way too hard. Sorry about that. I've asked Sabia to delete 2 of them :oops:
 
Oh...

Anyways, I agree. Should of just ignored him I guess, but honestly I would of chewed him out if he was -insulting- you. :wink:
 
There is also E and A and T.



MMMMMM EEAAAATTT. Think I am going to go fix a sandwich.
 
Uh sorry but they are kinda right. As a thief, you will run into situations when you arent POSITIVE the Rng will turn the mob with his WS, or the Drg is even harder with double thrust...never know if it comes out as 100 or 300, Rangers are nice and consistent :) . Anyways, you need to learn that and be ready to run to the other side if it doesnt get turned.. That is mainly the only thing you NEED to do in a party situation, aside from pulling when its asked of you. If you cant get it right, then you shouldnt be a Thief, sorry but those are the facts...

Fae
 
It's true as a thief sometimes you're going to have to use your judgement and experience to determine certain things, but sometimes its just out of the thf's control. If your tank or DD is just a screwup don't be surprised if the thief has to suffer for it.

I really experienced this only in the 30s for the most part, sometimes in the 40s back when I on my 40s thf. It gets much better and easier later in the game so you have something to look forward to.
 
I finally got SATA a few days ago lvling my THF... and I can say that many poeple do not take instruction well. I end up using SA+WS more often then SATA+WS. No vokes no front to back lining up ... damn people keep moving all around.. like it's going to make a diff..... Then shitty hate controll makes the mob turn right before I'm WS... so the SC goes off.. but weak.

I feel ya brother bear.... It's not like Paddington and I suck... not like some THF's we've pty with that had an almost perfect setup and screwed it up.

-end rant-
 
It's difficult for a pre-60 thief in a non-static situation. There are optimal circumstances, there are good circumstances, and there are poor circumstances.

The worst thing you can do is use your partner. If they're a dragoon this is fine if your tank is handling themselves well. Realistically speaking, in a mid-level pickup party, sometimes this is the only realistic option. But it really sucks when you set yourself up as the antagonist to the tank, and I've killed lesser dark knights by doing this. On the whole not fun at all.

The next best option is to split your trick attack away. You won't miss a ta/ws any more than any other meleer will miss theirs. You don't have to worry about the mob turning from the tank then. You can prime a SATA, use that at the start of the fight, then when the skillchain comes around, you have a TA/WS and then a followup SA by yourself. Not the most optimal situation before assassin, but it works. If you have equipment sets boosting TA and SA independently, it works even better.

The best option is to try to get your skillchain partner to turn the mob from the tank. This is a ***** to learn to do. It requires paladins to back off for one, which is often an insult to them. It often requires you to stop priming SATAs so that the tank doesn't have 350 damage worth of hate at the start. Unless they're a ranger, your partner almost always has to sub warrior, and provoke right before using their weaponskill.

Once you get assassin, things lighten up. Splitting your sneak attack away from your trick attack starts to do more total damage than stacking them. If hate is sufficient, which it should be, you will only have to ta/ws the tank. I would set up a macro pad so that you are capable of handling any situation. When the mob doesn't turn, hit your TA equipment macro, your TA skill macro, and your weaponskill. When it does, hit your SATA equipment macro, your SATA skill macro, and your weaponskill.

Until you get to 60, though, just do what's practical while hoping for the optimal. You're not going to get it often. If you're having a rough time even landing something, be anal about the line. You have to be. Be anal about the tank being right up in the mob's face, and be anal about the partner riding the mob's rear. If the mob starts walking when this is going on, it's over. You just blew 130 tp and have nothing to show for it.

Number one advice I could give a thief is that there has been a tactical shift away from insisting that SATA be kept together. Be prepared to split them. Never blow a sneak attack because the mob is facing the wrong way--macros can avoid that, and attention can avoid that.
 
MacMarz said:
I finally got SATA a few days ago lvling my THF... and I can say that many poeple do not take instruction well. I end up using SA+WS more often then SATA+WS. No vokes no front to back lining up ... damn people keep moving all around.. like it's going to make a diff..... Then shitty hate controll makes the mob turn right before I'm WS... so the SC goes off.. but weak.

I feel ya brother bear.... It's not like Paddington and I suck... not like some THF's we've pty with that had an almost perfect setup and screwed it up.

-end rant-

Give people a few lvls. I remeber when I got my Pally past 30, and all of a sudden, I had no idea wtf was going on anymore. The Drg was pulling, and fighting me for hate at the begging of the fight. So I I pushed my hate-o-meter to the max. The party started getting pissed until the leader calmed everyone down, and slowly explained SATA and how it works, and what the plan was.

It was a good thing everyone else had alot more experiance than me, and knew what was going on. If you in a less experianced party, it can be rough. Give em a chance
 
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