Not a flame, just a minor annoyance...

Wow. Thanks for the feedback. I really did want to know. It's bothered me that shells I've been in just didn't care about winning Xarc. Then I was frustrated as we were mostly lvl85s with two shells cooperating just ANNIHILATING stuff and they still didn't want to kill SL. It was highly disappointing.


I guess I had better start speaking up for myself in these shells.
 
Duffman said:
Wow. Thanks for the feedback. I really did want to know. It's bothered me that shells I've been in just didn't care about winning Xarc. Then I was frustrated as we were mostly lvl85s with two shells cooperating just ANNIHILATING stuff and they still didn't want to kill SL. It was highly disappointing.


I guess I had better start speaking up for myself in these shells.
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You're welcome,

I think you can rally some support for doing one DL run for people that would like to win Xarcabard.
Doing DL on a regular basis however... good luck on that.

Oh and be sure to have a waterproof plan for eventual DL drops.
 
*shrugs* I would only want to have dynamis lord beaten for the silly xbox 360 achievements, but I never did dynamis a whole ton to even get into beaucedine glacier runs.
 
Not sure why shell's don't want to do dynamis lord. My shell kills DL every time we do xarc now. It usually takes about 10-15 minutes to get everyone ready. We have people change jobs after Zagan is killed, kill DL, then do more farming. So far we have killed him 5 times and have gotten 5 mantles.
 
I suppose that he's somehow easier to beat down with the lvl cap being at what, 85 now? And to answer your question, I'm pretty sure the reason don't want to beat him anymore is the logistic needed to kill him. Having people swapping jobs, coming back, gathering, buffing, going at him. For most of the shells I've done dynamis with, it required a lot of time, actually a lot of downtime waiting for other people. 10-15mins is not that long, I'd even say it's pretty good. It requires people knowing what they do and ready to be as fast as possible when it's time to go.

The other factor is the timer. If you got a lot of time, let's say 1h+ just for the kick. If you know, as a leader, that your group can kill him pretty fast and can continue farming without having the same group who changed to go change again, I'd go for it. You're losing 15-20mins of your time + the time to get to him. On the other hand, as a leader too, if you feel there is a chance that shit is gonna go haywire. Do you want to risk the time to get to him plus the time to change your people plus the possible chance of a wipe? It was not an easy guy to beat back in the days with a non-experienced group and even with the lvl cap raised, it's probably still a good contract to take up nowadays. Personnaly, if you got a well oiled machine on your hand, I'd do it, especially if people wants SL gears. And from what I read, it seems so lol.

It's just a matter of taking a decision to farm or to go for it. I'm not sure how much some AF2's are worth since a couple of patch but you need, as a leader, to consider everyone interest about AF2 or SL.I've learned that in the last couple of years, sorta.
 
Chancellor said:
Not sure why shell's don't want to do dynamis lord. My shell kills DL every time we do xarc now. It usually takes about 10-15 minutes to get everyone ready. We have people change jobs after Zagan is killed, kill DL, then do more farming. So far we have killed him 5 times and have gotten 5 mantles.
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No offense but I have trouble with this statement.
Perhaps if you are a shell taking in 30 or more people every run and have a kraken knight or three at your disposal which can leave with the other key roles (rdm/drk, extra bards, etc.) while the rest goes and clears the wall of eyes, dragons and ying and yang before the last of the folks changing jobs wears off their 10 minute re-entry weakness.

Most shells don't have this luxury.
 
My dynamis shell never pursued SL because there weren't any experienced players interested in leading the run. I'm sure there are strategies online, but real experience is always better. And when it comes to taking up ~3hrs of at least 18 people's time, you don't really want that to end up being a waste.

That and a lot of the reasons that were already mentioned, like having the right jobs available and enough players (these days my shell runs with less than an alliance) is another reason.

I'm sure SL is something that can be done much easier than in the past, but it's still a bit of work to get organized.

With dynamis becoming less desired as an event because the gear coming out is replacing what could be obtained, shells are also loosing members.

I don't really keep up with the leadership of other dynamis shells anymore, but I haven't heard of many shells that still exist, where the leadership takes advantage of the members for their own gain. Most shells that exist are just trying to finish getting their members the gear they've been waiting forever to drop.

I'd love to try killing SL myself as i've never had the opportunity. You should post a topic and maybe find out if there are any shells that are interested in taking down SL, or even setup a special "Kill SL" run, as a one time thing. I'm sure you'd find people that would be interested.
 
Zerayla said:
My dynamis shell never pursued SL because there weren't any experienced players interested in leading the run. I'm sure there are strategies online, but real experience is always better. And when it comes to taking up ~3hrs of at least 18 people's time, you don't really want that to end up being a waste.

That and a lot of the reasons that were already mentioned, like having the right jobs available and enough players (these days my shell runs with less than an alliance) is another reason.

I'm sure SL is something that can be done much easier than in the past, but it's still a bit of work to get organized.

With dynamis becoming less desired as an event because the gear coming out is replacing what could be obtained, shells are also loosing members.

I don't really keep up with the leadership of other dynamis shells anymore, but I haven't heard of many shells that still exist, where the leadership takes advantage of the members for their own gain. Most shells that exist are just trying to finish getting their members the gear they've been waiting forever to drop.

I'd love to try killing SL myself as i've never had the opportunity. You should post a topic and maybe find out if there are any shells that are interested in taking down SL, or even setup a special "Kill SL" run, as a one time thing. I'm sure you'd find people that would be interested.
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If you need an alliance to kill SL thats pretty pathetic....

DL on the other hand I can understand.
 
Obviously I made an error with the abbreviation. I meant "DL" (Dynamis Lord), seeing as in my first sentence I was talking about the event Dynamis.
 
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