Obligitory i cant believe Hali actually agreed with me thread??

[Dejavu]

This pretty much sums up my position on hate crimes.. except for the whole believeing in god thing.

 

[Uzor]

I haven't really thought about it like that, and I have to say I agree.

 

[Excim]

His defense of white people deserving hate crime protection from black people has one major flaw that I can see, and not it's ludicrous conception. It's a defense for white people, and everyone knows that's one double standard that won't be broken.

I have never understood the validity of punishing motive over the crime that was committed. Sounds like emotion over justice to me.

 

[Raesvelg]

Not gonna get much argument from me on this one, I've argued that hate crime legislation is outright unConstitutional for years.

 

[Cort]

Motivation matters little.

Did someone commit a crime?
Yes -> Punish them.
No -> Let them go about their day.

Does it make it any different if the crime was committed against a Gay Tran-sexual Mexican with no legs? No, it doesn't. A crime is a crime. I'm not sure why this is difficult for lawmakers to understand.

His defense of white people deserving hate crime protection from black people has one major flaw that I can see, and not it's ludicrous conception. It's a defense for white people, and everyone knows that's one double standard that won't be broken.

It's early in the morning, I'm not comprehending this.

All I can say is that you don't see hate crime convictions against whites, even though it happens. I imagine if anyone went Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton on these so called "hate crimes" they'd be called racists, white supremacists, etc.

Double standards are rampant in America right now :\

 

[Halifirien]

Not really going to argue to much about it. I think hate crime laws have a place in making sure justice is served when local law enforcement turns a blind eye to a crime based on the victim's race or other attributes.

Having said that, if you're going to protect people from hate crimes based on their religion -- which they choose -- then you can protect people based on their sexuality, which, like race, they don't. Do away with all hate crime laws and I won't protest, but I want us to be covered by them as long as they're on the books.

Sorry, but this isn't a subject I'm particularly passionate about.

 

[Excim]

It's early in the morning, I'm not comprehending this.

All I can say is that you don't see hate crime convictions against whites, even though it happens. I imagine if anyone went Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton on these so called "hate crimes" they'd be called racists, white supremacists, etc.

Double standards are rampant in America right now :\

For someone who wasn't comprehending what I posted, you sure did a good job reiterating my post for me. :wink:

 

[Cort]

For someone who wasn't comprehending what I posted, you sure did a good job reiterating my post for me. :wink:

Oh good, I was hoping that was gist of things.

 

[Xalioniaf]

Not really going to argue to much about it. I think hate crime laws have a place in making sure justice is served when local law enforcement turns a blind eye to a crime based on the victim's race or other attributes.

Having said that, if you're going to protect people from hate crimes based on their religion -- which they choose -- then you can protect people based on their sexuality, which, like race, they don't. Do away with all hate crime laws and I won't protest, but I want us to be covered by them as long as they're on the books.

Sorry, but this isn't a subject I'm particularly passionate about.

change the title Deja :>

 

[Halifirien]

There's still time for an argument to break out, since Obama's signing the hate crimes expansion into law today.

 

[masterorion]

hate crimes are just retarded. its just as easy for a minority/gay/lesbian person to commit such a crime on a white/straight person.
crimes should be seen as what they are. crimes. a judge looking over the case folder of a murder doesnt see color. just facts. but the minorities will totally outrage if it isnt prosecuted with hateful intention. personally, i think the some of the minorities are the ones that are prejudice.

 

[Dejavu]

There changed the title for you

 

[Halifirien]

a judge looking over the case folder of a murder doesnt see color. just facts.

Given the racial disparities in sentencing in our criminal justice system, I seriously hope you don't actually believe that's true.

 

[masterorion]

Given the racial disparities in sentencing in our criminal justice system, I seriously hope you don't actually believe that's true.

im saying that reading the facts that are in a case folder, a judge or anyone for that matter, doesnt see color. just words. unless they seek information on each party involved.

unless of course, it says "jo schmo, a black american vs. whatshis nuts, a white middle class american"
which, i know it doesnt say that in a case file. problem is, the judge looks over each party and investigates each person before the start of a case to see their background. race shouldnt even be put into consideration when it comes to a case.
but, unfortunately it is.