Odin?

Elemmire said:
you're biast
No, she's Nicolette. Biast is a dragon, doopid

edit: did they change the BP delay timers at some point? I seem to remember when I was mid-40s WAR, partying with a SMN in Quicksand Caves who was doing Aerial Armor & Earthen Ward immediately afterwards, between pulls.
 
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nah they can just charge the bp the same way a thf can charge sneak attack so with proper timing they can get 2 BP out really fast
 
Khajit said:
nah they can just charge the bp the same way a thf can charge sneak attack so with proper timing they can get 2 BP out really fast

That's not how it works at all, sorry. =P When you tell an avatar to BP, it uses it right then and there, there is no stallable use (whereas THF can SA, pull a mob, hit mob with the SA, and use it again as timer wears).
 
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Mishaela said:
Fixed.

Do you really think SMN's avatars are THAT good? We can't DD til 65, IF we have Fenrir, and that's only remotely reliable on stuff VT or lower. The 70BPs do okay damage, but the only real plus-side to those is that the chunk of damage is does can be thrown away with a mere push of the "Release" command (though if done at the start of a fight, can hold hate long enough to set up TA)

Ecliptic Howl. Decent, usefulness varies between mobs/moon phases.
Ecliptic Growl. Good.
Lunar Cry. Can be good, usefulness varies between mobs/moon phases...if it even hits.
Lunar Roar. Good, except it misses a lot.

Shining Ruby. Crap.
Glittering Ruby. Can be VERY good if stacked with Growl, but chance of it buffing a useful stat isn't too great.
Healing Ruby. Good until you get Cure II.
Healing Ruby II. A godsend.

Aerial Armor? Only good if the mob hits for gross amounts of damage and/or hate is an issue, in which someone's sucking at their job or you're fighting something way too strong.
Earthen Ward? Decent. Might absorb one AOE, huge might.
Rolling Thunder? Seemed OK in CN, otherwise crap.
Tail Whip? Can open some low-level SCs, but it's acc is bad. Quickly becomes crap.
Those Ice/Shock spikes moves, crap crap crap.

Hastega, decent, though it'll drain 1/5 of your MP at lower levels. Duration is crap.
Ifrit's Warcry move, I use it so little I forgot the name...might be good if you communicate with melees and time it pre-WS, but it's duration vs. MP cost is way too horrible to be that useful, and Ecliptic Growl would help more overall in the end...so crap.
All of their tier-II nukes...might be good if MBed, post-Yuhgunta, crap.
All of their tier-IV nukes...might be good if MBed and you have time to keep out your avatar long enough to get some pet TP so it doesn't do f-!king 400.



No, SMN doesn't need more avatars, but their earlier BPs really needto be better. =P We get maybe 12 good BPs from 1-75, and 8 of them are post-60.


Bingo. Like I've said in Nameless. Give more to the avatars that already exist. You save on gamespace, not needing another character model, since the playstation 2 is such an "issue" when they're asked to add graphical things, why keep pumping out avatar models?
 
Mishaela said:
That's not how it works at all, sorry. =P When you tell an avatar to BP, it uses it right then and there, there is no stallable use (whereas THF can SA, pull a mob, hit mob with the SA, and use it again as timer wears).
Precisely... I'm talking both AA and EW in <30 sec, before AF and hobo gear. Were they always counted as blood pacts? It's very possible I was dillusional from all that crack I smoked in those levels.
 
Orchid said:
Neither of you are smn. GTFO :)
QFT.

*throws up some SMN4LIFE gang-sign or something.*
 
Sandria said:
QFT.

*throws up some SMN4LIFE gang-sign or something.*


Word.
 
lolSMNers and their "I wanna be a DDer" attitudes.
 
Summoners dont need more avatars, but if theres a chance of getting another why not? Why complain? Those avatars help us quite alot, smn or not, and its always nice to have more variety, smn or not. Its true, its not like smns are in DESPRITE need, but lets take odin! And i think his 2hr would definitly have an instant kill, but someone said, can't remeber who, that it wont happen on "Impossable to gauge" mobs. They're prabably right. Would unblance shit. Mabey it would just "Cripple them" like that other guy said.... to lazy to quote. Odin is Definitly possable! grats Smn :D

And i'm not biast, smns not my main, but i leveled it some.
 
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geez.

edit: see what you started mire?
 
Cuacos said:
Summoners dont need more avatars, but if theres a chance of getting another why not? Why complain? Those avatars help us quite alot, smn or not, and its always nice to have more variety, smn or not.
Variety is not the heart of the complaints I think - it's balance. Giving smn's more power tilts the scale of justice too heavily one way.

Before you gangsta smn's stab me here, I'm not saying that you now are/in the future will be too powerful/weak, before/after any updates/patches that changed/will change/add(ed)/remove(d) your summons/blood pacts.

gogo all-in-one defense!

Cuacos said:
And i'm not biast
Very good! El, take notes - people are not biast!

‹-- has fun making fun of people who can't spell biased

Damnit... why i so slo
 
I know it's spelled Biased :\ guess my joke was too subtle? XD

and what did Mirewen start? :P
 
Elemmire said:
lolSMNers and their "I wanna be a DDer" attitudes.

we already can be. most dont realize that. but i agree with mish that the durration and effect of the earlier BP's is horrible. we're ment to help the party. how can we help them if the majority of our BP's are gone before you can blink, IE: ifrits "crimson howl". i've used it once in an exp party (gives the effect of warcry for those that dont know) and a swear its was gone before i even dismissed him. i know the war's job ability verson doesn't last very long either but come on. some of the skills we have sound good on paper but do squat when used. how can we use more variaty in a party when 75% of the pre-60 skill are damn near useless?
 
odin = 1 hit ko

any way he has been dead since day one of this game any one gone to kon high lands in a cave is his grave.
 
blazn said:
odin = 1 hit ko

any way he has been dead since day one of this game any one gone to kon high lands in a cave is his grave.

Uh, that's the map maker guy, not Odin. And it's not a tombstone, it's a landmark he(and in some areas his daughter) made, with some info about the area and it's history.
 
You honestly think you can summon me? lawl.























































Bad joke I know.
 
No shit son, its bubbly bernie. that kneegrow is hardcore :<
 
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