Oils & Powders... why don't people have them?

[Reya]

Well.. this is my first time starting a flame (ya-hoo) and it's not about anyone in general.. but I'm getting on my last nerve with people coming out to exp pts w/o oils or powders..

I have two ways of looking at this both from the eyes of a mage and melee.

An example today, I was in Crawler's Nest down past rumble room. Everyone had powders and oils but our dark knight. Our white mage kept running back into main hall sneaking him until his wore while we all waited in camp. Now, I can excuse the fact that it wore at a horrible time and location, but anyways, he died right in the middle of rumble room in a fun little circle made up of about four rumble crawlers. I have not had a party in about a month where we have all gotten down to rumble room without a single death. Two people died in my party today, the dark knight being one and our paladin (who had oils so she's cool ^_^) I have no problem buying or snything oils and powders. Being a high lvl alchemist I can HQ these pretty easily.

As a mage however I find it a little annoying when I have to keep risking both my life and threatening the party by killing my buffs so I can rebuff another whose lost theres. Now, I am not a stuck up mage who will deny people sneaks and inivis. Sure, I will question why you don't have them and be a little peeved. I know, as a white mage, it's my responsiblity to keep everyone safe. It slows up time getting to camp and like I said, opens all kinds of doors to all sorts of fun aggro. However, I do not mind at all when my party first sets out in aggro-land that I give them the first buff. Yet, when the train starts a movin' I wanna keep it that way. I hate feeling obligated however to sneak/invis though. Mages have any thoughts on this? I find that oils and powders are just as important as brining food to your exp.. the point is, you don't leave town without them.

 

[Mokk]

Dead Horse.

Reason 1: price jacking, oils and powders are real expensive and they should be vs cost per synth.

Reason 2: stupidity. Some people think it is the job of the mage implicitly to keep them alive as soon as they join a group be it via sneak stuff or cures they are jaded to the point they believe the mage's sole purpose is to serve the function of not letting ANYONE be killed even via travel.

Sucks ... but them's the breaks, kid.

 

[CubsWoo]

There are two camps for this argument:

1) The people who believe that because mages get Sneak and Invis in spell form, they are obligated to babysit everyone through an aggro-rich zone.

2) Sane people.

 

[Mokk]

Edit:: shouldn't be vs price per synth


That is all.

 

[Bajaratt]

There are two camps for this argument:

1) The people who believe that because mages get Sneak and Invis in spell form, they are obligated to babysit everyone through an aggro-rich zone.

2) Sane people.

It gets awfully lonely in the second camps sometimes.

 

[meeze]

everytime you someone skilling up on oils give them a good slap.

getting guild point items i see countless people breaking the ingredients for oils at the guild.

the price on materials went from 6k so slime oil, to over 12k (i still have oils left from a month ago, prices may have gone up).

behive chips are at a ridiculous price also.

 

[Mokk]

both items of which are BEYOND easy to just go farm >.>

 

[Bajaratt]

Beehive chips are easy to get, slimes are a pain to fight if you don't have magic.

 

[Reya]

lol

lol yeah, I couldn't believe how much prices spiked since I first started snythin with wax.

as for cost, I can sympathize honestly. I'm not the richest white mage in the world and there are plenty of items I would love to get my hands on. Just people drive me crazy sometimes!! lol

 

[meeze]

both items of which are BEYOND easy to just go farm >.>

i'm not going to farm those items all day to lower the price for everyone, if people want the prices to go down on these items, don't sell for so much. if people stop skilling up on these items, supply on materials will increase driving down the price so that inturn lowering the price as undercutting happens.

 

[Mokk]

both items of which are BEYOND easy to just go farm >.>

i'm not going to farm those items all day to lower the price for everyone, if people want the prices to go down on these items, don't sell for so much. if people stop skilling up on these items, supply on materials will increase driving down the price so that inturn lowering the price as undercutting happens.

I'm not sayin ya should or anything if yer over lvl for craft. I am saying that in alot of crafts alot of people like to be lazy and just buy their ingredients that could easily be farmed if they put half a brain to it and it does somewhat lend to price gouging. Unfortunately alot of people also DO go farm and like to mis-gauge the ammount of time/work they put in to farming items for a craft.... "I spent 3hrs farming today ..... 100 BILLION GIL" *pinky to lip* :roll:

 

[Hecate]

I'm a mage and even I bring sneak oils and powders. In case there would be a magic aggro mob nearby. Though, I can see why melee jobs do not have sneak oils and powders due to the fact that the price has risen above sanity :roll: and I'm a bit of a stingy person. >.>

I am quite tolerant if a melee asks for sneak and invis if he/she has found a safe spot for recast, and I am nearby (preferrably next to or behind, I don't like back tracking if I don't have to).

 

[Kat]

I'm not goin' into the age old speel of why you need to keep echo drops, oils and powders on you AT ALL TIMES whether you are mage or melee. As already stated "dead horse".

Just be forewarned, you better start having them on you at all times. Us old school players are to the point we won't put up with you newer players and your silly excuses of why you don't have this essentionals on you. Especially when you KNOW you're goin' into aggro zones.

'nuff said ...

 

[deathsvengeance]

Dead Horse.

Reason 1: price jacking, oils and powders are real expensive and they should be vs cost per synth.

Reason 2: stupidity. Some people think it is the job of the mage implicitly to keep them alive as soon as they join a group be it via sneak stuff or cures they are jaded to the point they believe the mage's sole purpose is to serve the function of not letting ANYONE be killed even via travel.

Sucks ... but them's the breaks, kid.

gtfo with this dead horse bullshit! It only instigates people into posting pictures of dead horses here and that's NOT fuckin cool.

Anyway...

In response to your reason 1... ever priced beeswax? lol Keep in mind, not everyone selling Silent oils is able to HQ them, don't forget about the people leveling alchemy that are trying to NOT synth themselves into the hole (ie, no money left).

These people can afford to buy sole sushi and other expensive foods, but can't afford another 30k to buy a stack of oils and powsers? I call bullshit on that one, they are just being cheap bastards.

 

[Kat]

I'm not goin' into the age old speel of why you need to keep echo drops, oils and powders on you AT ALL TIMES whether you are mage or melee. As already stated "dead horse".

Just be forewarned, you better start having them on you at all times. Us old school players are to the point we won't put up with you newer players and your silly excuses of why you don't have this essentionals on you. Especially when you KNOW you're goin' into aggro zones.

'nuff said ...

ugh, can't type today, that should read: these essentials*

 

[meeze]

Dead Horse.

Reason 1: price jacking, oils and powders are real expensive and they should be vs cost per synth.

Reason 2: stupidity. Some people think it is the job of the mage implicitly to keep them alive as soon as they join a group be it via sneak stuff or cures they are jaded to the point they believe the mage's sole purpose is to serve the function of not letting ANYONE be killed even via travel.

Sucks ... but them's the breaks, kid.

gtfo with this dead horse bullshit! It only instigates people into posting pictures of dead horses here and that's NOT fuckin cool.

Anyway...

In response to your reason 1... ever priced beeswax? lol Keep in mind, not everyone selling Silent oils is able to HQ them, don't forget about the people leveling alchemy that are trying to NOT synth themselves into the hole (ie, no money left).

These people can afford to buy sole sushi and other expensive foods, but can't afford another 30k to buy a stack of oils and powsers? I call bullshit on that one, they are just being cheap bastards.

your answer to reason 1 is why the price oils is going up. people keep skilling up on them or not hq'n driving up the cost on the materials used to synth them. the profit hasn't risen on oils, it has stayed pretty much the same, only the final price tag has gone up.

 

[Raesvelg]

Basically, people are just cheap and lazy is all. Mostly the latter. I wince every time I see someone wearing 4mil+ in gear, using Sole Sushi +1, and NOT carrying powders or oils on them.

What really pisses me off is that they're wasting MY time because they're too damn cheap/lazy to look after themselves.

 

[vang]

Bah, just another reason 95% of the melee are garbage. They are always the ones to not have this shit.

 

[Dronte]

These people can afford to buy sole sushi and other expensive foods, but can't afford another 30k to buy a stack of oils and powsers? I call bullshit on that one, they are just being cheap bastards.

Sole Sushi: about 40k already.
Sneak Oils (stack), Invis Powders (stack): 30k
Take away about 10k just rounding down: about 60 friggin thousand gil for every two parties just for so called "essentials". Not including if your a ninja or ranger.

So don't call melees cheap just because they cant back up the extra 30k off of buying the food and their gear. Its one of the reasons why I quit melee. Because I could never keep up with the money I spent buying food and sneak oils and invis powders just to make you mages not flame me.

 

[TiyaKelth]

Not being able to afford 60k every two parties means you need to take a break from xping and go farm.