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RDM melee in xp parties? Ok, I don't mind it if they do everthing they have to do (refresh, back up heal, haste). But if a BLM has to spam cure spells to save the party ends up dieing, thats screwed up in my opinion. Especially when the RDM has MP. I've been told RDM has too much to do in a party and can't main heal, yet some RDM like to melee. I am beginning to think that is why they won't main heal, but i don't know. I just want a logical explanation. Thanks XD
 
My main job is red mage, and I'm level 72 in it. I meleed, as bad, as it sounds up until Yuhtungha(sp). After that I took on the real RDM role. Backup curing, enfeebling, and MBing. Once I hit refresh a whole new world opened up and the job got 10x more complicated. I'll be the first to admit it is IMPOSSIBLE to play RDM correctly post 40 while meeleing. That means gear swaps refreshes, cures. But at my level now, It would be impossible for me to play rdm the rdm way and main heal(with a normal party setup), so never invite a rdm expecting them to heal, enfeeble, and MB. But a RDM is able to main heal depending on the set up. All in all its red mages trying to learn there job. Cut them some slack and just tell them. We were all new once too.
 
at 74 (20k more) im gonna go rdm/nin for a few lawlz!


but seriously, rdm/war or rdm/drk can hold their own at thier jobs role (refreshing, debuffing, support buffing) and doing decent melee dmg (not just 'give-the-mob-tp' meleeing)
 
ziphor said:
but seriously, rdm/war or rdm/drk can hold their own at thier jobs role (refreshing, debuffing, support buffing) and doing decent melee dmg (not just 'give-the-mob-tp' meleeing)
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o rly? I do not support any rdm melee'ing at all. If they fucking melee, they lose focus on enfeebing. If they don't lose focus on enfeebing, the refresh circles get fucked up. If they somehow are able to do all 3, they end up having no MP in 2-3 fights. Red Mage are mages. that is why mage is in the name. Mages do not melee. (not yet anyways) blue mage supposedly does.
 
Thanks Torque. That was the reasonable and logical explanation i was looking for : ]
 
RDM >> WHM melee does not...REPEAT...does not give the mob enough TP to really make a differance if they melee or not. If I'm in a party where we are fighting vt to it mobs then I'll pullout the club and sheild and start to melee and still keep haste, regen and pop cures and if the RDM isn't doing their job debuff the mob. It's all a matter of your macros. If your macros have <stpc> in them for buffs and cures then go ahead and melee. But don't ever run out of MP. Like if I go below 200 mp I'll {Pull back} and rest and do my job til I have full MP and then get up and get the melee gear out again. BTW I want Divine gear. Breastplate and shield. Please sell it to me.
 
Really, I don't care if the Red Mage melees or not. If he can enfeeble, refresh, cure, keep his MP up, Magic Burst, not be an MP sponge by taking AoE damage, then knock yourself out bro.
 
IMO, I think RDM can melee just fine up till 40. using <stpc> and <stnpc> makes this possible and very eay to do both, while you dont have a cycle to keep track of. But 40 is when melee come to a screeching halt... mainly because you'll get sick of hearing {Refresh Please} <After its been off a total of 4 sec, cause their completely oblivious to the idea you have a 'Recast Timer'>. Main healing can be done, but /WHM is highly recommended. RDM MB lmao you have to be kidding right >.> wanna talk about a waste of MP. Refresh Cycle <usually excludes DRK use your damn Aspir abilty -.->, Cure when needed, and Enfeeble.
 
The word MAGE does not make a job a mage class. I don't see the word Mage anywhere in the word Summoner and yet Summoners are mages correct? Yes. Also, if RDM's were not meant to melee...then why on God's little green earth can they use swords? I agree that RDM's rarely have the time to melee, but if they can keep up with what is needed to be done then why not let them? Go go Spirits Within? Black Mages can use some Daggers and a couple of swords. Dagger I can see, but why swords? Summoners can use Staves, Wands, some Daggers and no swords. again, Dagger I can see, kinda. I always seen the stereotypical Mage with a Dagger or some kind of knife-like weapon and I don't mean sterotypical mage as in in-game mage, I mean when I picture a mage-like person I picture them with a Dagger or knife on their hip. Anyway, I see a lot of flames about RDM's meleeing, I don't read them but meh, and I could never see the big deal. They even give RDM's En-spells FOR meleeing. I don't understand why people get so mad when a Red Mage melees. My personal opinion, let them go if as long as they keep up their end in a party.
 
Because they like giving the mob TP to own the party with \(^_^)/
if they can do their job and melee that's fine, the day i find a rdm that can main heal a pt keep himself and 5 mages refreshed and get all the enfeebles on who melees in exp i'll start endorsing it even ^^
 
Wataza said:
The word MAGE does not make a job a mage class. I don't see the word Mage anywhere in the word Summoner and yet Summoners are mages correct? Yes. Also, if RDM's were not meant to melee...then why on God's little green earth can they use swords? I agree that RDM's rarely have the time to melee, but if they can keep up with what is needed to be done then why not let them? Go go Spirits Within? Black Mages can use some Daggers and a couple of swords. Dagger I can see, but why swords? Summoners can use Staves, Wands, some Daggers and no swords. again, Dagger I can see, kinda. I always seen the stereotypical Mage with a Dagger or some kind of knife-like weapon and I don't mean sterotypical mage as in in-game mage, I mean when I picture a mage-like person I picture them with a Dagger or knife on their hip. Anyway, I see a lot of flames about RDM's meleeing, I don't read them but meh, and I could never see the big deal. They even give RDM's En-spells FOR meleeing. I don't understand why people get so mad when a Red Mage melees. My personal opinion, let them go if as long as they keep up their end in a party.
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And Phalanx, and Spikes. Also look at the Crimson Blade, its not there just to sit on thier hip lol.
 
Because they are the "1337" RDM/NIN who will solo KB and kirin... at the same time...

In other words they are complete retards. They should not be auto-atacking. How a mage can claim to be able to keep up with all their responsibilities AND meleeing for next to no damage I might add is beyond me.
 
Blackchaoshero said:
Because they like giving the mob TP to own the party with \(^_^)/
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TP use from a mob is inevitable.. you fail
 
In addition to giving the mob additional tp for less damage than other jobs, RDMs also have to use and swap different elemental staves at times.
 
Shyrra said:
In addition to giving the mob additional tp for less damage than other jobs, RDMs also have to use and swap different elemental staves at times.
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They 'have' to ? Or should they cause its the way SE deemd it so >.>
 
Nifal said:
TP use from a mob is inevitable.. you fail
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right. so... because a mob will eventually use tp on you all pt members might as well start hitting it? i know, we should all sub ninja and hit it twice too! cause it won't use more tp moves just because we give it more tp!
Your logic fails and you fail with it, have a nice day \(^_^)/
 
They should because at times they need to pop an Ice Staff on to land Para, or Earth Staff for slow. SE deemed nothing, it's just more efficient.
 
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