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[hellstorm]

Im sorry cokenn all you are is a snake theif, in my book you are worse then the gil sellers. For the last time they do not cause inflation meeze in order cause inflation there has to be money created they do not create money. Now you going come back and say well they sell stuff to npc they open chest, well so does every other avarge joe.
Gil sellers dont deserve there gil? How so no matter what they do with they earn it, they sit at camp for long period of time and camp mob that other normally would not bother camping. Does this hurt the avarage player because make it harder to farm? yes Though because of them there are a large supply of items. mat rmt seller are my fav because they do not effect people money making and they still make there cash. Now of corse there are the botter and the mpker but player are just as ruthless as the seller most the time.

 

[Tyrath]

Im sorry cokenn all you are is a snake theif, in my book you are worse then the gil sellers. For the last time they do not cause inflation meeze in order cause inflation there has to be money created they do not create money. Now you going come back and say well they sell stuff to npc they open chest, well so does every other avarge joe.
Gil sellers dont deserve there gil? How so no matter what they do with they earn it, they sit at camp for long period of time and camp mob that other normally would not bother camping. Does this hurt the avarage player because make it harder to farm? yes Though because of them there are a large supply of items. mat rmt seller are my fav because they do not effect people money making and they still make there cash. Now of corse there are the botter and the mpker but player are just as ruthless as the seller most the time.

Sitting at your computer all day, then when your SHIFT is over having someone else take over, doesn't seem very fair to me. They dont play the goddamn game, they are working, which is not what game is meant to be.

 

[Marajade]

I For the last time they do not cause inflation meeze in order cause inflation there has to be money created they do not create money.

And for the last time, Inflation is caused when money ENTERS the economy, not when its made. Sure, they're not actualy making money on a magical gil printer, but they're taking it out little by little and then dumping it all back in at once (the chirtsmas example comes to mind.)
Thats actualy why the massive 300billion explosion wasnt a real deflation. The price drop was simply because of the news and people panicking, not economics.

 

[Mokk]

Wether or not i personally agree with the opinions of tyrath, tymon, and kira i must say that they made the best counterpoints with the little to no posturing. Much obliged, simple is good.

Like it or not it's a done deal now and most people don't have it in them to feel sympathy for an RMT worker. Sneaky? sure. Clever? sure. Underhanded? sure. More to the point i see this action as karma. *shrug*

And i did play eve ... for a while ... snoozefest. Not only was i party to a hostile (as hostile as no one voting on a change of CEOs can be) take over i helped liquidate a HUGE coperation after the takeover and managed to keep my pod intact. No one chased me around the galaxy lookin to blow me up, hell it was like 2 days before anyone realized what happened, stupid people suck at revenge ... stupid people also don't check their trade windows.

Difference between eve and FF is in eve players have complete free will to deal with thieves on their own as opposed to calling a staff who could honestly care.

However, that wasen't the point i was making ... one more time for you slow kids: If put in the same position you wouldn't do the same thing you're not hardened enough for FF and if you're okay with that i'm ok with that but don't expect people in a game you have to claw and scrape for everything you get to be soft on people who screw up the gameplay and make it that way.

In games like WoW and eve loot rains from the sky and xp falls in your lap. in FF you're fighting the game, the RMT, the crappy staff, and an economy run by a jaded community of people who can't stand each other. Hence if you can't stand the heat get the hell out of the kitchen or at least object without showing your ass... provided you're not in the FB ... which we aren't.

Aside from that, and i do hate repeating myself. THE MOST RECENT RMT ACTIONS TAKEN BY SQUARE WERE A DIRECT RESULT OF DUPING GIL, WHICH CAUSED MASS INFLATION. and to whoever said sellers don't cause inflation go take an economics class ... are the mats for sneak oils and prism powders any harder to come by? nope. Has the demand increased significantly? nope, for it to have there would have to be more people on the server which is not the case. Consequent to the mass inflation many prices rose in an over inflated market on the part of not only crafting RMT but regular joe player who usually makes a big stink about the economic inflation ... unless it fills his pockets in which case screw it, right?

In short there's way too many assholes and dumbasses who think they know what they're talking about for this thread to manage to not get locked or moved to the FB, that it hasen't already is a surprise.

 

[Kire]

Im sorry cokenn all you are is a snake theif, in my book you are worse then the gil sellers. For the last time they do not cause inflation meeze in order cause inflation there has to be money created they do not create money. Now you going come back and say well they sell stuff to npc they open chest, well so does every other avarge joe.
Gil sellers dont deserve there gil? How so no matter what they do with they earn it, they sit at camp for long period of time and camp mob that other normally would not bother camping. Does this hurt the avarage player because make it harder to farm? yes Though because of them there are a large supply of items. mat rmt seller are my fav because they do not effect people money making and they still make there cash. Now of corse there are the botter and the mpker but player are just as ruthless as the seller most the time.

o kote NM was camping for my nin for 1 1/2 hr no pop but that 2 people where on MR advreb (bot software) and how do i know this? google search software to hunt this software out its a bit illleagl but u can do it as google lets u do alot
but any way most GS use a bot
theres a group of GS and a LS with every NM HNM pop etc all u have to be is 73+ and ask flypanda to join LS (my m8 75 blm 66 thf taru not saying name) told me about it i asked checked it out and they have a /lsmes of next good H/NM pop and who is going
in a way its a well run HNM ls that is on 24/7
what happens to the gill they make is down to them there are some none GS in that LS but they dont bot and earn it so u cant complain there if there was no GS u see so many players quit and alot of crafts men
coming to the fack of craftsmen i seen so many noob craftsmen they flooded the AH with some gear they thought sells high
take nobles 1 point it was 30mil then got flooded 1 point i saw 12 nobles in ah now they r worth 12mil
no matter what SE does u can all ways find a way to get around it and GS just do it better as there life is ffxi

 

[Jagster]

Not that you deserved free 40 mil....But I hate to see gilsellers doing well. So congratulations.

 

[Shaunessy]

Who ever said that they had sympathy for the guy? All of the posts I've seen to the contrary just say that he was wrong for stealing the item. You all talk about karma so much. So now what? Does that mean the cock is now on the shit end of karma. Or does karma not affect you when you steal from people you believe to be a greater wrong. Please explain the rationale behind why he should be congatulated for theft.

 

[Countchocula]

this story reminds me of the time some jpn got screwed out of a scorpion harness right around christmas. SH was selling for abouts 9-10mil (about 2 weeks before the all time highs of 14-19mil SHs) on the AH and some jpn was wanting to cash in. he does a shout for 11mil iirc, and this guy name trancos calls him up on it. thing is, trancos puts in the trade window 1100000 hoping the jpn wouldn't notice...and he didn't until the trade was done. trancos takes off and what happen next was a spamming in lower jeuno that he was a "thief". trancos tries to play it off like the jpn wanted to sell him the SH for 1.1mil, and said he wasn't trying to rip the guy off. yet, he refused to offer to return or make a somewhat fair compensation for the harness...next thing you know, trancos logs off for the night and disappears.

my point?

where do we draw the line on whom it is okay to screw over? a gilseller? oh, how about a gilbuyer? or, maybe it's ok to screw over some asshat you had a misunderstanding with.

did the OP screw the gilseller over for the good of the server? or did he just do it to line his own pockets? i think it was more about greed, but in this situation, the scapegoat was a gilseller, which it appears, makes this action justified. "who is it ok to screw next", is my question.


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[Marajade]

"who is it ok to screw next", is my question.

As long as its a gilseller, more power to the guy. Kinda like Hunting. Well, its ok for someone to shoot a Deer/Moose, but we shouldnt let him do that because he might kill a person next.
GS are like the Deer. You're allowed to shoot them. Just dont go shooting people.

Now, GOGO Sev!

 

[Mokk]

Who ever said that they had sympathy for the guy? All of the posts I've seen to the contrary just say that he was wrong for stealing the item. You all talk about karma so much. So now what? Does that mean the cock is now on the shit end of karma. Or does karma not affect you when you steal from people you believe to be a greater wrong. Please explain the rationale behind why he should be congatulated for theft.

I seriously hope you end up catching read only or a rap on the skull by the ban-stick for your actions in this thread, it's disheartening that you can manage to be a giant dickweasel like this in good times for this many posts.

Ok ... read carefully; i'll attempt to use smaller words.

RMT workers fuck up the game for everyone .. this guy's actions are a drop in the bucket but for some of us it puts a smile on our face to know that someone just scammed the scammers. Think of it as a sting opporation on the smallest scale imagineable .. do you get pissed off when the cops lure in a crack dealer or a professional burglar gets pickpocketed by an amateur? Didn't think so.

I never said he should be congratulated for it, i simply did because i think it's not only humerous but warranted. YOU are the one with the sandy vagina over it trying in vain to bitch your opinion into being a fact.

Once again you completely skipped over the explination made about why this sort of thing is acceptable in FF and cheered on by alot of people in comparison to other games.. and you make me explain myself ...again... even though the answer to your oh so eloquent question was quite simply stated in my previous two posts, good job.

Step away from your computer for a minute, you obviously take it too seriously and don't have real people to contrast and compare with.

 

[Shaunessy]

As long as its a gilseller, more power to the guy. Kinda like Hunting. Well, its ok for someone to shoot a Deer/Moose, but we shouldnt let him do that because he might kill a person next.
GS are like the Deer. You're allowed to shoot them. Just dont go shooting people.

Now, GOGO Sev!

I know because there is a list that tells everyone who is and isn't a gil seller. Also you aren't allowed to shoot deer/moose unless, going from PA laws, you take a hunting safty course and get a hunting license. Now I might not of looked very hard but I'm pretty sure there is no license for ripping people off.

 

[Mokk]

this story reminds me of the time some jpn got screwed out of a scorpion harness right around christmas. SH was selling for abouts 9-10mil (about 2 weeks before the all time highs of 14-19mil SHs) on the AH and some jpn was wanting to cash in. he does a shout for 11mil iirc, and this guy name trancos calls him up on it. thing is, trancos puts in the trade window 1100000 hoping the jpn wouldn't notice...and he didn't until the trade was done. trancos takes off and what happen next was a spamming in lower jeuno that he was a "thief". trancos tries to play it off like the jpn wanted to sell him the SH for 1.1mil, and said he wasn't trying to rip the guy off. yet, he refused to offer to return or make a somewhat fair compensation for the harness...next thing you know, trancos logs off for the night and disappears.

my point?

where do we draw the line on whom it is okay to screw over? a gilseller? oh, how about a gilbuyer? or, maybe it's ok to screw over some asshat you had a misunderstanding with.

did the OP screw the gilseller over for the good of the server? or did he just do it to line his own pockets? i think it was more about greed, but in this situation, the scapegoat was a gilseller, which it appears, makes this action justified. "who is it ok to screw next", is my question.


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If you're stupid enough to allow yourself to get scammed not only do you deserve it you should expect it at some point.

And that's probably the most simple way to justify the actions taken. Don't play a game you have to pay attention to if you can't manage to pay attention enough not to get robbed blind. In the end the only person you can blame is yourself for being taken for the ride in the first place.

 

[hellstorm]

As long as its a gilseller, more power to the guy. Kinda like Hunting. Well, its ok for someone to shoot a Deer/Moose, but we shouldnt let him do that because he might kill a person next.
GS are like the Deer. You're allowed to shoot them. Just dont go shooting people.

Now, GOGO Sev!

stealing is stealing no matter if seller or not. It does not justify his action 1 bit. For the person who said if you had chance would you do same thing. No I would not premeditate stealing.

 

[meeze]

stealing is stealing no matter if seller or not. It does not justify his action 1 bit. For the person who said if you had chance would you do same thing. No I would not premeditate stealing.

You aren't allowed to have morals if your shitty LS allows scrubs like Gaebo, who paid over $800 RL for 30mil gil to get LC into the 90s. His wealth, his gear is cheating. He cheated the game and now has nice gear. You are ok with his cheating, how are you not ok with sev's cheating?

 

[Countchocula]

As long as its a gilseller, more power to the guy. Kinda like Hunting. Well, its ok for someone to shoot a Deer/Moose, but we shouldnt let him do that because he might kill a person next.
GS are like the Deer. You're allowed to shoot them. Just dont go shooting people.

Now, GOGO Sev!

much documentation and research has been done over the issue of the desensitivity to violence from things such as movies, vid games, and activites such as hunting. being expose to certain things can lead to other actions like murder. only thing stopping alot of people with an issue to grind from doing this is the fear of being caught.

this guy that screwed over a gilseller can very well continue to work his way onto "other" sections of the Quetzal community. why do i feel this may be the case? because i know that internet anonymity breeds alot of a**holes, thieves, and sh*theads. it's pretty rationale to believe that someone lining his own pockets by cheating a gilseller may be less than honorable. now if he dumped this ill gotten gil and really helped out the server, i'd think a little more of him.


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[Mokk]

stealing is stealing no matter if seller or not. It does not justify his action 1 bit. For the person who said if you had chance would you do same thing. No I would not premeditate stealing.

While i can respect that would you simply look down upon it on a personal level, shake your head, walk away, and try to nicely persuade people not to do such an underhanded thing.

OR

Would you whine and piss and moan and make as many stupid comparisons as you can all the while arguing like an infant simply for the attention even though the situation doesn't affect you in the slightest even thought you've already clearly stated your postion taking every shot imaginable and even some that aren't just to discredit those who don't agree with your side of the arguement?

I already know the answer, and as a reader thank you for not shitting all over the thread by taking the second option.

 

[Shaunessy]

I seriously hope you end up catching read only or a rap on the skull by the ban-stick for your actions in this thread, it's disheartening that you can manage to be a giant dickweasel like this in good times for this many posts.

Ok ... read carefully; i'll attempt to use smaller words.

RMT workers fuck up the game for everyone .. this guy's actions are a drop in the bucket but for some of us it puts a smile on our face to know that someone just scammed the scammers. Think of it as a sting opporation on the smallest scale imagineable .. do you get pissed off when the cops lure in a crack dealer or a professional burglar gets pickpocketed by an amateur? Didn't think so.

I never said he should be congratulated for it, i simply did because i think it's not only humerous but warranted. YOU are the one with the sandy vagina over it trying in vain to bitch your opinion into being a fact.

Once again you completely skipped over the explination made about why this sort of thing is acceptable in FF and cheered on by alot of people in comparison to other games.. and you make me explain myself ...again... even though the answer to your oh so eloquent question was quite simply stated in my previous two posts, good job.

Step away from your computer for a minute, you obviously take it too seriously and don't have real people to contrast and compare with.

Here is where your logic fails Mokk. See, wether you like it or not I am a part of this server. I have been playing on it for over 2 years now and while I have seen some pretty messed up things done, theft is one of the lowest things that you can perpetrate in this game. Just like Countchocula said who is next? If this type of behavior is ok because this person is deemed this or that, where does it stop? So it was done to a GS today. How about it's done to a LS that is the competition next. Or maybe it could be you or me because someone just doesn't like you. Well they are justified by the fact that he was congratulated for this one. Maybe it's you that needs to step away from the keyboard, or do you condone theft in real life too?

 

[Mokk]

much documentation and research has been done over the issue of the desensitivity to violence from things such as movies, vid games, and activites such as hunting. being expose to certain things can lead to other actions like murder. only thing stopping alot of people with an issue to grind from doing this is the fear of being caught.

A.) You watch too much news.

B.) Most of that research is completely inconclusive.

C.) The only thing stopping most people is a little thing called comon sense

D.) Anyone who tells you video games lead them to violence had shitty parents.

this guy that screwed over a gilseller can very well continue to work his way onto "other" sections of the Quetzal community. why do i feel this may be the case? because i know that internet anonymity breeds alot of a**holes, thieves, and sh*theads. it's pretty rationale to believe that someone lining his own pockets by cheating a gilseller may be less than honorable. now if he dumped this ill gotten gil and really helped out the server, i'd think a little more of him.

As we all know good thieves get that way by announcing the fact to their potential victims. I mean no insult, but as far as logic goes that dog won't hunt.

 

[gir]

Ok so I misrepresent myself? No I think that I was very clear on the fact that the OP is a theif. I think everyone who supports this type of behavior discredits themselves. I have an idea..why don't you try to trade some lizard ledelsens for some winged boots. Or claim to trade an emporer hairpin and switch it with an insect wing. You bring shame to yourselves. If you don't see that then you are weak.

Read what I said again. You represent yourself very clearly as a troll, and a bad one at that. Btw, insect wings stack to 12 so it'll have a little 1 in the corner. Funny thing is, if I did that to a GS I'd be laughing about it too. Forgive me for generalizing, but for them it's just a business. And their clients are spoiled rich kids. Kinda hard to respect that.

You don't misrepresent yourself, but you certainly have many misconceptions.

 

[Mokk]

Here is where your logic fails Mokk. See, wether you like it or not I am a part of this server. I have been playing on it for over 2 years now and while I have seen some pretty messed up things done, theft is one of the lowest things that you can perpetrate in this game. Just like Countchocula said who is next? If this type of behavior is ok because this person is deemed this or that, where does it stop? So it was done to a GS today. How about it's done to a LS that is the competition next. Or maybe it could be you or me because someone just doesn't like you. Well they are justified by the fact that he was congratulated for this one. Maybe it's you that needs to step away from the keyboard, or do you condone theft in real life too?

Ok, so meanwhile people who work on the game and take mobs/items/etc aren't stealing from average joe player .. inflating the economy with duped gil and items and raising prices that are already overinflated to line their pockets isn't stealing .... and you wanna talk to me about failed logic?

News flash douchebag, i've been around just as long if not longer than you have and even though i no longer play i still feel strongly enough about alot of people in the community to still devote some time to it. Your actions on the game don't ruffle my feathers at all, your actions on this board are what i have issue with.

If you're stupid enough to not have your shit secure don't cry at me when it gets jacked. Do i think theft is ok? nope. Course i pay attention because i don't want to get stolen from. How hard is my stance to grasp?