Omfg

[gir]

much documentation and research has been done over the issue of the desensitivity to violence from things such as movies, vid games, and activites such as hunting. being expose to certain things can lead to other actions like murder. only thing stopping alot of people with an issue to grind from doing this is the fear of being caught.

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This is some of the most ridiculous reactionary FUD I've ever heard.

Please provide references to your several crackpot (oops!) articles.


Your second paragraph made more sense. There are a lot of idiots on the internet. Then again, so are there IRL. Thieves too. I guess it's all that violence on TV. (LOOOOOOOOL)

 

[Shaidalyn]

I dont care that some nasty RMT got jyped.. but him bragging shows him as a total piece of trash ^^ CONGRATS youre a low down thief. At least they do it by outskilling you people, you tricked someone and stole their item. While their practice is bad, at least they -technically- follow the rules to do this.
What's next? Everyone is gonna use packet sniffers to "counter" the RMT? My ass.. youre a greedy thief and karma will come around. ^^
Good job on screwing RMT, bad job bragging.

 

[Necrosis]

That's fucked up.

Congratulations for making money by cheating other people out of theirs.

 

[Excim]

I'd have a chip on my shoulder too if I had to live in Pittsburg.... *cough* :crazy:



I've been MPK'd by gil sellers, I've been spammed with /tells when I claimed an NM over them... hell, I've even been chased around by a whole group of them after claiming a different NM in hopes they'd lag me out...

It's funny, we ALL cheer when SE banned a whole bunch of them not too long ago... the sellers must have lost a shitload of gil on that banning... But if a player had hacked POL and banned the same gil sellers... would we be against it?

I mean, really... the only reason Seveath did it is beacuse it was a gil seller. Shaunnesy might be a dick (even in his own opinion) but I truely think Seveath wouldn't steal from him, because he isn't a seller.

Sellers break the rules everydaym thus, rules don't apply to them.

Does that mean I'm going to try to trick them? Well... I can't say for sure. But I do know that if one of those heartless fuckers MPK'd me at Unvanquished again, I'll be damned if I wouldn't MPK them right back this time...

 

[Shaunessy]

Now I won't argue about the duped gil. The mobs/item drops and everything else in the game is just sitting there though waiting for someone to take it. There are plenty of times where I am the only person in Korroloka tunnel. Also you talk about GS inflating the economy. How is that possible? Unless they are selling and buying on the AC between themselves to make it look like an item is worth that much there is no way they can inflate the economy more than the server as a whole does. Note to all, buyers set prices not sellers.

 

[Excim]

I dont care that some nasty RMT got jyped.. but him bragging shows him as a total piece of trash ^^ CONGRATS youre a low down thief. At least they do it by outskilling you people, you tricked someone and stole their item. While their practice is bad, at least they -technically- follow the rules to do this.
What's next? Everyone is gonna use packet sniffers to "counter" the RMT? My ass.. youre a greedy thief and karma will come around. ^^
Good job on screwing RMT, bad job bragging.

They don't generally follow the rules. Hardly ever, actually. At least from what I've seen. Oh, and the people who are in need of packet sniffers to win claims... well, they are already using them. So it's not a cause and effect thing, it's certainly not an excuse.

Would I do it? No. It's like the guy smoking pot in the corner. Do I do it? No. Do I know it's wrong? Yeah. If he gets caught and gets in trouble, will I feel sorry for him? Nope. But if he's enjoying himself, meh... I don't care.


Oh, and btw, Seveath hurt no one. Not even the gil sellers. Nope, he didn't. No one's enjoyment of the game was hindered. But yeah, if he stole from... even a "gilbuyer"... yeah, that would be different. Yeah, they suck and are cheaters, but it's one person playing the game and trying to have "fun". When you take away someone elses' fun, that's a different story. Does that make sense?

 

[Mokk]

Now I won't argue about the duped gil. The mobs/item drops and everything else in the game is just sitting there though waiting for someone to take it. There are plenty of times where I am the only person in Korroloka tunnel. Also you talk about GS inflating the economy. How is that possible? Unless they are selling and buying on the AC between themselves to make it look like an item is worth that much there is no way they can inflate the economy more than the server as a whole does. Note to all, buyers set prices not sellers.

Are you illiterate?

and to whoever said sellers don't cause inflation go take an economics class ... are the mats for sneak oils and prism powders any harder to come by? nope. Has the demand increased significantly? nope, for it to have there would have to be more people on the server which is not the case. Consequent to the mass inflation many prices rose in an over inflated market on the part of not only crafting RMT but regular joe player who usually makes a big stink about the economic inflation ... unless it fills his pockets in which case screw it, right?

It's a combination between RMT, greedy players, and a shitty dev team who doesn't know how to turn up drops just a tad to match server demand and equal out the economy. Please do find something else to attempt to derail this thread with. Honestly ... you haven't turned this thread to complete shit yet, surely you can do better than this, right?

Aside from that it's the seller of an item who sets the price, it's the buyer who pays for it. Things are only worth what people will pay for them based on how bad they need it. Provided someone doesn't want to spend 12hrs farming for a crafting session you've got the buyer backed into a corner if the going rate is inflated. Now the only choice the buyer has is to either pay more or not progress .... why decisions like this are evoked on a liesuretime activity is beyond me ... line some jerkoff's pockets or decide to give up the goal i have set for myself on my hobby of choice ... doesn't sound like the buyer sets much of anything but his own standards of what sort of gameplay they are willing to settle for.

 

[Passions]

Ls's are already stealing from each other and trying to justify it look at the flameboard. Do I agree with rmt? No not really somethings are fun to do that they dominate and control. Do I agree with that sav did? No

I understand its gill sellers blah blah blah but when has 2 wrongs made a right? If that 40 million gill was thrown out not the cape the gill then I'd applade him. All it is to me now though is some guy getting his jollies stealing from someone.

I don't care to agrue about it. Its my opinion you have yours. It does suck to get aemet from them and half it down to a slither of health and then whipe to fire ball and get petrified on whm /sigh. Then them ws it and then raise me ;;

 

[Odon]

Your a ca-ca-doodie-head for not letting me synth that cape!

 

[yanzi]

You misspelled 'than' from 'More Pro Then Vang'.
:bb:

 

[Odon]

You misspelled 'than' from 'More Pro Then Vang'.
:bb:

Thats the irony of it.

woooooooooooosh

its going over your head.

 

[Countchocula]

A.) You watch too much news.

B.) Most of that research is completely inconclusive.

C.) The only thing stopping most people is a little thing called comon sense

D.) Anyone who tells you video games lead them to violence had shitty parents.



As we all know good thieves get that way by announcing the fact to their potential victims. I mean no insult, but as far as logic goes that dog won't hunt.

A* or maybe you just watch too little news

B* much of the studies done over the past 5-7 years are from reputable universities, educators, and research groups. i'm thinking they have some clue in making their assessments. but really, how is research truly going to reach the level of being "conclusive" in that issue? people are just going to have to use common sense and judgment to see that.

C* no, it's not. only thing stopping those with the mindset to kill another human being is generally either the fear of being caught, fear of being shamed, fear of going to jail, or the fear of being roasted on a metal chair.

D* say what you will...think what you like. however, to deny that certain things can drive a person to act is being utterly blind. don't get me wrong, i blame most if not all of the cause on the parents for not being involved enuff to preempt the stupidity of their children....however, whethor or not they do, it doesn't negate the fact that objects, material, and media can have a dramatic influence on people. (examples: bibles, educational books, etc.)

i take no offense at your opinion...you are free to make them. as i am free to make my opinion that the OP didn't do this to better the community...but to stuff 40mil into his pockets. and to me, someone that would do that, will more than likely do it again when he has the opportunity to do so and find a way to justify it. then again, as we've seen from the recent thievery in sky, "justification" may not even be given a thought.


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[Mokk]

A* or maybe you just watch too little news

:roll:

but really, how is research truly going to reach the level of being "conclusive" in that issue? people are just going to have to use common sense and judgment to see that.

Exactly

C* no, it's not. only thing stopping those with the mindset to kill another human being is generally either the fear of being caught, fear of being shamed, fear of going to jail, or the fear of being roasted on a metal chair.

These reasons do technicly fit into the bounds of common sense definitively.

D* say what you will...think what you like. however, to deny that certain things can drive a person to act is being utterly blind. don't get me wrong, i blame most if not all of the cause on the parents for not being involved enuff to preempt the stupidity of their children....however, whethor or not they do, it doesn't negate the fact that objects, material, and media can have a dramatic influence on people. (examples: bibles, educational books, etc.)

You expounded on what i was saying but i think we're both on the level here.

i take no offense at your opinion...you are free to make them. as i am free to make my opinion that the OP didn't do this to better the community...but to stuff 40mil into his pockets. and to me, someone that would do that, will more than likely do it again when he has the opportunity to do so and find a way to justify it. then again, as we've seen from the recent thievery in sky, "justification" may not even be given a thought.

Bingo, this sorta stuff happens every day ... alot of it ends up on the FB but in this instance since it was a seller it hit good times and thanks to shaunessy got as close to a flame as it could before reason took over. He may very well go about it again, but at this point i doubt he'll be very effective having announced that he's not above it and how he went about it. Just my thoughts on that last part, i could be completely wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me to go from the robin hood-esque "i jacked a GS, look" to "I'ma try that scamming crap out again .. worked pretty well last time .. let's find an easy mark." Psychologically speaking there's a HUGE seperation there.

 

[Rhaddy]

Ironic.

Congratulations on your new piece of gear.

if you're gonna steal something from a gil seller you ought to drop it to get rid of the gil in the system if the whole concern is about inflation.

didn't you just pump more gil into the economy?

 

[Countchocula]

This is some of the most ridiculous reactionary FUD I've ever heard.

Please provide references to your several crackpot (oops!) articles.


Your second paragraph made more sense. There are a lot of idiots on the internet. Then again, so are there IRL. Thieves too. I guess it's all that violence on TV. (LOOOOOOOOL)

yeah, well i don't make it a habit to jot down references for all the material i've read and seen over the years. if you have a problem with it, dig it up yourself. it's there. the research has been done...the conclusions have been made...ever since the mess at columbine and the one in arkansas, i believe.

my second paragraph made alot of sense...however, you needn't be a a**hole with all the sarcasm over something you don't agree with.


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[Tymon]

You people need to take some initiative. Saying he's untrustable because he stole from a GILSELLER is stupid.

 

[Mokk]

if you're gonna steal something from a gil seller you ought to drop it to get rid of the gil in the system if the whole concern is about inflation.

didn't you just pump more gil into the economy?

Provided he just keeps the cape and uses it or something how does this produce gil any more than if he got it off a drop?

I see this more like NM hunting .. He popped the GS with the kris and scored the cape as a drop ... ok it's a horrible analogy but it works.

 

[gir]

B* much of the studies done over the past 5-7 years are from reputable universities, educators, and research groups. i'm thinking they have some clue in making their assessments. but really, how is research truly going to reach the level of being "conclusive" in that issue? people are just going to have to use common sense and judgment to see that.
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Please provide references and what you interpret to be their conclusions (definitive or otherwise).

Much of scientific research goes against common sense. That's the point. If what we defined as common sense prevailed indefinitely, we'd still be burning witches at the stake and performing hysterectomies to cure women from psychological ailments. Not to mention telling adolescents that jerking off makes you blind, menstruating is a sin, and if a woman doesn't provide a son to her husband it's her fault.

In each case we have clear scientific evidence to the contrary. Each was once a widely held belief, i.e. "common sense". If we could just look at things and make judgments we wouldn't need to do science to begin with.

So, once again, show what science supports your claims.

Sorry for the hijack, if this continues I'll make a new FB thread^^

 

[Mokk]

yeah, well i don't make it a habit to jot down references for all the material i've read and seen over the years. if you have a problem with it, dig it up yourself. it's there. the research has been done...the conclusions have been made...ever since the mess at columbine and the one in arkansas, i believe.

To be fair school shootings and violence on a larger scale have been around for far longer than video games, movies, music, books, etc .. how hard is it to call human nature exactly that? Why the blame game?

 

[Mokk]

Sorry for the hijack, if this continues I'll make a new FB thread^^

Might as well get that fired up now, this topic begs for attention .. i'd go off topic tho to keep things from getting entirely too juvenile but it's your call.