omg u smn sux..

Mishaela

Mishaela

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You know what......
To all of you dumbf-!ks with level 2 smn....
Bite me. Just...free sample. Come on an' bite me.
I'm really tired of people thinking they know Summoner's jobs so damn well when the only blood pact they get is f-!king Poison Nails and nothing beyond that.

1. Blood Pacts are, without Austere/AF, ONE MINUTE.
2. Unsummoning avatars does not reset the BP timer, so, Mr. DRG with level 1 SMN who can't spell Ifrit, shut the f-!k up, you don't know more than me.
3. Yes, elemental staves do lower perpep cost.
4. No, I'm not gonna pull an Ecliptic Howl (level 54) out my ass at level 51. If you think YOU can, mr Greatsword-using PLD, be my guest.
5. I'M NOT GONNA WASTE MY BLOODPACT TRYING TO MB FIRE II ON A CRAB.
6. Carbuncle is not, by ANY means, a good main tank.
7. Hastega, Warcry, Enthunder, or Ecliptic Growl. I can choose one. If the fight's rough, two. If you expect me to do all four in one fight, shame on you. If I stick around in a party that takes so long on one fight as to actually let me do that, shame on me.
8. No, I'm not gonna Carby-pull crabs when we have a RNG and THF in the party. And for the 500'th f-!king time, crabs don't link.
9. No, I'm not gonna use Poison Nails.


Am I missing anything...if so, feel free to add in...
 
Actually, If the camp is untouched and all the mobs (If they're linking mobs) are usually butt humping each other, so Carby-pull isn't too bad right there and then, but I agree with everything else pretty much.
 
silly mishy-ishy... you let the newbs get to you.
 
I heard Carby pull got nerfed...is this true?

On a more tasty note.../em Faedryth thinks about which part of Mishaela tastes the best...

:)
 
Personally, I blame all the SMNs who won't accept PT except for setups that allow them to do nothing except blood pacts and avatar melee. That turned your job basically into a novelty basically. And when all people can expect with their last slot is a little extra damage and some flashy animations you find yourself in that situation.
 
Faedryth said:
I heard Carby pull got nerfed...is this true?

On a more tasty note.../em Faedryth thinks about which part of Mishaela tastes the best...

:)
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Dont think so cuz I just used it in a party last nite and it worked fine for us.
 
The way I like to use SMNs is to replace a WHM when I'm on my way out in a zone. For example, from 60-61, I wanted a WHM in my Onzozo parties. From 62-63, less healing is needed, so why not go with a SMN for some added versatility? They'll still be able to use blood pacts and all that lovely stuff while acting as main healer--I think it's a bit silly to have both a WHM and a SMN in a party if you ask me.
 
Actually

I lvled recently in bibki bay and had a smn and a whm and it rocked. If a SMN knows what they 're doing, they can do great dmg and keep buff like a bard. We kept chains roling cause they can help heal, stoneskin, and magic burst. Just have to let them do their thing, and if the summoner is half int., its worth the invite to them. PS to all mages for the 50th freakin time, stay in the damn back on gobs in bibki bay!!! You arn't melee, and we're tired of waiting on your weakness to wear cause you can't take a 850 dmg bomb suicide lol.
 
Just to explain "Carby pulling" (cause no, it wasn't nerfed)

When you pull with Carby, Carby has hate on the thing it hit, and anything in range links. When Carby dies, anything that linked deagroes (because the ONLY hate it [the link] had, was for Carby when it linked). They won't re-link because of the ~4second "no-re-agro" time). If the monster (a) runs by a linking monster (b) AFTER Carby dies, it'll link, and hate will be on you, as that's where the monster (a)'s hate was when (b) linked.

So yeh...no nerf...just stupid people. =P
 
Mishaela said:
Just to explain "Carby pulling" (cause no, it wasn't nerfed)

When you pull with Carby, Carby has hate on the thing it hit, and anything in range links. When Carby dies, anything that linked deagroes (because the ONLY hate it [the link] had, was for Carby when it linked). They won't re-link because of the ~4second "no-re-agro" time). If the monster (a) runs by a linking monster (b) AFTER Carby dies, it'll link, and hate will be on you, as that's where the monster (a)'s hate was when (b) linked.

So yeh...no nerf...just stupid people. =P
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Something no high lvl SMN still seem to understand ._.; I can relate to people who dont even know how to carby pull non linking mobs still and are 75. If you don't know how to carby pull by 30, and understand how hate works, I think you need to quit SMN.

And yeah carby pull was never nerfed. The only time it wont work is in the case of "partied" mobs that will share a similar hate table (meaning, if you hit mob A in a party, mobs B, C, and D now have you on their hate list, regardless of whether they saw it, linked, or whatnot.)
 
I think only Fomor PT, at least those are the only ones I have encountered, I am sure there are more.
 
Right...I discluded BST's mobs etc..my bad.. =P

And regarding my #8 - I don't mind Carby pulling, but when it's a mob that doesn't link, and has no risk of getting dual-agro (unless they do something stupid), and there's someone in the party that can pull while I, say, get back a bit more mp, what's the point? =\
 
Aaaand I'm gonna hafto doublepost >_o
I've yet to fight Fomor (only had Promy's done for a week...damn I want my Subligar...) but I will note that, thanks~
 
Heh.
It only gets worse.

"Why do you do those attack moves instead of Aerial Armor?"
"If you spam Aerial Armor, a PLD can blink tank..so why don't you give us Aerial Armor so these undead don't hit the PLD so hard."
"What? We aren't using a BLM to fight demons with? Sorry guys, I gotta go something came up."
"We are PLD, DRG, THF, WAR/THF, BLM for sky statue party. Do you mind curing?"

Unfortunately, many of the summoners aren't much better. :P
Oh well..welcome to the DRG of mage jobs, and have a nice day.
 
Liefe's point is sad but true. Most people (me included) don't know smn's DD ability, and this group of people includes most smn's.
been running alot of parties and on a few occasions it came where blm was leaving and only whm's seeking with smn already in pt. asked smn if they can DD, always get a yes.
then i see the smn melee'n with no avatar out...
I had to ask my LS about smn and learn about the moves so i could teach this smn (in the 50's btw) how to dd.
i've seen liefe basically solo vt wyverns in ifrits cald. i was there with brd, but basically all i was doing was wasting money on misses, and brd was refresh. so smn's can definitely deal some heavy damage.
but like liefe said, a whole bunch of noobs just want a friend with them, drg, smn. bst they cant leech xp off a pt, and these morons find out how shitty they are the game and pick the next best thing. apologies to the good drgs and smn's out there.
 
I SC Doubleslap, personally. If there's something better pre-60, please let me know. =\
 
Liefe said:
Heh.
It only gets worse.

"Why do you do those attack moves instead of Aerial Armor?"
"If you spam Aerial Armor, a PLD can blink tank..so why don't you give us Aerial Armor so these undead don't hit the PLD so hard."
"What? We aren't using a BLM to fight demons with? Sorry guys, I gotta go something came up."
"We are PLD, DRG, THF, WAR/THF, BLM for sky statue party. Do you mind curing?"

Unfortunately, many of the summoners aren't much better. :P
Oh well..welcome to the DRG of mage jobs, and have a nice day.
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You forgot my favorite thing to tell a smn:
"Why are the only BP's you've used in the past 3 hours 2 Healing Ruby II's and a aerial armor?"
and:
"Please don't waste your BP on a lvl 10 MB when the blm is killing the mob with his MB 80% of the time."
 
OMG!!! SUMMON BAHAMUT!!! =/


The problem is that most parties don't know what SMNs do, we are not damage dealers dispite the fact we can now SC and magic burst. With the right party set up we are absolutely fantastic buffers/main healers (with a back-up like a blm/whm, brd/whm ir something).

The fact that most parties don't know what summoners do means that most summoners don't know what summoners do. It's a really cool looking job (along with drg) so it tends to attract a lot of idiots. :?
 
The fact that Smn can do so much is a strength and weakness all at once. Smn just dont fit well into what has become the traditional party setup.

You have the Tank. Paladin or Nin. This is almost a necessity. Smn cant do it.

You have 2 meleers. You almost have to have 2 to perform a skillchain. Sure a smn can fill one, but then either the other melee does an SC with the tank (not optimal) or try to be the SC partner themselves (again not optimal to my understanding).

The support line you have:

The refresh, enhancer, enfeebler role. At this point that is a Rdm or Bard.

The DD mage. Best for a Blm, but a Rdm/Blm or Smn can fill this role.

The healer. Whm. Yes a smn can do it. Out of all the roles, this is the one they can probably fill the best until 70. However, there is no stona. No R2. No Cure4 or 5.


I think SE could fix a lot if they gave Smn an AoE refresh bloodpact. Not only would this give Smn added usefullness in a party, but it would also allow more parties to be formed, because lets face it, most parties die because no refresher can be found. More parties would also mean more opportunities for the melee jobs that have a tough time finding a party (Mnk, Drg, Drk, etc).
 
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